LeBron James deserves full blame for Lakers' failures

[crudebar]

Longevity is part of the argument of why Lebron is so great. The guy just averaged

Magic did average more per game, but Magic wasn’t half the scorer Lebron was

LeBron has been criticized for not being a “scorer” his whole career yet he

-just averaged over 30 ppp in his 19th season

-has scored at least 25 ppg in 18 consecutive seasons. No one else has done it in more than 12

-will retire as the #1 scorer in NBA history

Oh yeah, he did that while spending a lot of his career as one of (if not the best) passers in the league

Just say you don’t like Lebron as a person dude lol you have no basketball argument against him

Comparing guys like Kobe and Duncan to Lebron is laughable. It’s all bias and hate

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Tim Duncan. He has won 1 more championship then LeBron and the best player he ever played with was Manu or Parker. Being that Robinson was past his prime. Also figuring how extremely low maintenance Duncan was...

One could make a case for Duncan. I am a solid no on Kobe.

 

[crudebar]

Not to mention his Spurs could have and probably should have beaten James Heat in the NBA Finals twice in concession. They really took them to the woodshed in the rematch.

 

[Avocado33]

Duncan was great and very low maintenance but nowhere near prolific enough of an offensive player to be in GOAT level conversations. He had the benefit of greater teams and an amazing coach/organization as well.

He simply was not good enough individually

 

[Avocado33]

Gotta remember those later Spurs teams had Kawhi too.

 

[crudebar]

Gotta remember those later Spurs teams had Kawhi too.

Yeah but he was still not truly Kawhi yet when Duncan was playing. Though I believe he was finals mvp when they beat heat in rematch.

 

[raiders72]

Durant vs. Brick 1 on 1, I'm taking Durant.

 

[crudebar]

Duncan was great and very low maintenance but nowhere near prolific enough of an offensive player to be in GOAT level conversations. He had the benefit of greater teams and an amazing coach/organization as well.

He simply was not good enough individually

Huh? Guy was a great offensive player and one of the top defensive players.

 

[Avocado33]

He was still very good though yes he wasn’t MVP level player yet.

I couldn’t see a guy like Duncan dragging a bag of dicks to the finals like Lebron did twice . He just wasn’t good enough despite him being a great leader / teammate/ fitting the Spurs well

 

[Avocado33]

Yeah he was a great offensive player, but nowhere near as great as lebron. I mean more in comparison to the GOAT level guys like MJ and LeBron

 

[PatsFan1283]

As if I was serious.

Im sure you were, you’ve said it multiple times and you always link ESPN/FS1 talking heads that parrot those type of fan statements.

Even if you weren’t serious, obviously the logical way to interpret your post would be to think you were.

You have a thread titled I love when lebron loses and you’ve been doing this shit for a decade lol. Not like anyone is thinking you aren’t emotional with it, cmon now

“I don’t like lebron, I like xyz” is the only way I’ve ever heard you talk sports on here, so of course I’d figure you were serious. That type of take lined up for you.

 

[crudebar]

He was still very good though yes he wasn’t MVP level player yet.

I couldn’t see a guy like Duncan dragging a bag of dicks to the finals like Lebron did twice . He just wasn’t good enough despite him being a great leader / teammate/ fitting the Spurs well

The east was terrible. U can't see Duncan beating the great duo of demar derozen and Kyle Lowrey? Then getting absolutely smoked in the finals. As Ducan's Spurs destroyed a young lebron in finals also...

I am simply saying Duncan has a case of being better then LeBron. Its not a laughable case by any stretch. He got destroyed by Ducan's spurs twice in the finals and got by----by the skin of his teeth in the 1st meeting with the Heat. Allen misses that 3 and Duncan has 6 championship to LeBron 3. Would have also lost to him twice with a super team----being 0-3 vs him in finals appearances overall.

 

[Avocado33]

The east was terrible. U can't see Duncan beating the great duo of demar derozen and Kyle Lowrey? Then getting absolutely smoked in the finals. As Ducan's Spurs destroyed a young lebron in finals also...

I am simply saying Duncan has a case of being better then LeBron. Its not a laughable case by any stretch. He got destroyed by Ducan's spurs twice in the finals and got by----by the skin of his teeth in the 1st meeting with the Heat. Allen misses that 3 and Duncan has 6 championship to LeBron 3. Would have also lost to him twice with a super team.

Duncan would not have dragged that 2018 Cavs team to the finals. Hell I don’t think anyone in history could’ve. That team was hot garbage.

That’s a 15-20 win team without LeBron. Putting even prime Duncan on that team doesn’t get them close to the finals.

That’s not a knock on Duncan. he just was never good enough to do something like THAT

 

[festeringZit]

Im sure you were, you’ve said it multiple times and you always link ESPN/FS1 talking heads that parrot those type of fan statements.

Even if you weren’t serious, obviously the logical way to interpret your post would be to think you were.

You have a thread titled I love when lebron loses and you’ve been doing this shit for a decade lol. Not like anyone is thinking you aren’t emotional with it, cmon now

“I don’t like lebron, I like xyz” is the only way I’ve ever heard you talk sports on here, so of course I’d figure you were serious. That type of take lined up for you.

"I'm sure you were.."

I was not. If my fav team the Celtics would have won that year, I would be celebrating, and wouldn't be considering it an asterisk year. Half the shit I post in this thread is to facilitate discussion. Yeah, I intensely dislike LeBron - but I even admit in this thread, he's probably top 10 all time.

 

[crudebar]

Duncan would not have dragged that 2018 Cavs team to the finals. Hell I don’t think anyone in history could’ve. That team was hot garbage.

That’s a 15-20 win team without LeBron. Putting even prime Duncan on that team doesn’t get them close to the finals.

That’s not a knock on Duncan. he just was never good enough to do something like THAT

Who knows. Duncan always played in the far superior West. Why Duncan for the most part blew the doors of LeBron when it wasn't the warriors doing it. Lost 0-4, 1-4 and 4-3( no rebound and Allen 3 and he loses again 2-4)

 

[festeringZit]

Im sure you were, you’ve said it multiple times and you always link ESPN/FS1 talking heads that parrot those type of fan statements.

Even if you weren’t serious, obviously the logical way to interpret your post would be to think you were.

You have a thread titled I love when lebron loses and you’ve been doing this shit for a decade lol. Not like anyone is thinking you aren’t emotional with it, cmon now

“I don’t like lebron, I like xyz” is the only way I’ve ever heard you talk sports on here, so of course I’d figure you were serious. That type of take lined up for you.

“I don’t like lebron, I like xyz” is the only way I’ve ever heard you talk sports on here"

That's pretty harsh. I give you credit, you're probably the most knowledgable sports guy in here. I think that's an unfair
slam, but oh well, you're entitled to your opinion.

 

[PatsFan1283]

"I'm sure you were.."

I was not. If my fav team the Celtics would have won that year, I would be celebrating, and wouldn't be considering it an asterisk year. Half the shit I post in this thread is to facilitate discussion. Yeah, I intensely dislike LeBron - but I even admit in this thread, he's probably top 10 all time.

D

“I don’t like lebron, I like xyz” is the only way I’ve ever heard you talk sports on here"

That's pretty harsh. I give you credit, you're probably the most knowledgable sports guy in here. I think that's an unfair
slam, but oh well, you're entitled to your opinion.

Sorry then, my bad. Just saying you obviously have an anti-LeBron stance that goes beyond avg poster so pretty much any dig you make at him I’d believe. And you said it 3x and didn’t seem like a joke so I dunno, but I don’t care either.

 

[Avocado33]

Who knows. Duncan always played in the far superior West. Why Duncan for the most part blew the doors of LeBron when it wasn't the warriors doing it. Lost 0-4, 1-4 and 4-3( no rebound and Allen 3 and he loses again 2-4)

In the first finals LeBron was 22 and he was playing with hot garbage. Boobie Gibson, ilgaulskas, donyell Marshall, Eric snow….it was bad

Who knows. Duncan always played in the far superior West. Why Duncan for the most part blew the doors of LeBron when it wasn't the warriors doing it. Lost 0-4, 1-4 and 4-3( no rebound and Allen 3 and he loses again 2-4)

Duncan played on great all around teams with the greatest coach of all time.

LeBron was 22 years old and playing with crap teammates. He scored like 25 points straight in the Eastern conference finals to knock of the recently crowned Pistons. He was playing 1 on 5.

Duncan is great but he’s not dragging either of those two awful Cavs teams to the finals. He wasn’t good enough to do that. Not exactly a hot take

 

[Avocado33]

Durant vs. Brick 1 on 1, I'm taking Durant.

Right now, yes 100%. Prime vs prime idk. They would both struggle defensively lol

 

[devocr]

Meh, I take Bird over LeBitch.

 

[crudebar]

In the first finals LeBron was 22 and he was playing with hot garbage. Boobie Gibson, ilgaulskas, donyell Marshall, Eric snow….it was bad

Duncan played on great all around teams with the greatest coach of all time.

LeBron was 22 years old and playing with crap teammates. He scored like 25 points straight in the Eastern conference finals to knock of the recently crowned Pistons. He was playing 1 on 5.

Duncan is great but he’s not dragging either of those two awful Cavs teams to the finals. He wasn’t good enough to do that

Duncan played with Manu, Parker, a much older David Robinson and a very young Kawhi.

Lebron played with Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Kyrie Irving, Anthony Davis, Kevin Love, etc.....

And Duncan has won more championships then Lebron. Also 2-1 vs him in finals which could easily be 3-0(hell heat fans were even leaving the arena thinking it was over)

The ironic part is, the logic you are using to downgrade Duncan is the same logic you push back on when people use it on Tom Brady.

Hell, Lebron was much like Aaron Rodgers(who you mock) early to middle of his career(before he started joining super teams and don't get me started about how he and the media bitched about the Warriors when he has tried multiple times to do exact same)...win 60 plus games in regular season and get bounced early in play-offs.