Lane Kiffin... You gotta love his style.

[ChrisParadise]

Hey numbskull. I already told you that I like the Vols, but they are far from being God's gift to CFB like you think they are.

Eric Berry is God's gift to CFB ,get it right.

Do you have any idea what % of children age 8-14 in TN are named Peyton ? Its ridiculous.

You really never will understand it. its like we have MLS in the US but soccer is on a whole other level in Europe. Ive been to a game at the Rose Bowl, its not even close. Its just the truth. Tough titties.

 

[ChrisParadise]

i dont care what you say, this shit aint football

 

[Conan]

Eric Berry is God's gift to CFB ,get it right.

Do you have any idea what % of children age 8-14 in TN are named Peyton ? Its ridiculous.

You really never will understand it. its like we have MLS in the US but soccer is on a whole other level in Europe. Ive been to a game at the Rose Bowl, its not even close. Its just the truth. Tough titties.

I don't mean to disillusion you, but when I go to Knoxville it's usually on business at Oak Ridge NL. To me that matters more -- a lot more than any goings on at Neyland unless UCLA is in town to play. And the kicker is, I don't even care who cares. You will never understand it.

Who cares about Eric Berry unless he winds up as the MVP in the NC game? You and how many vol fans, and who else on a given Saturday? You will never understand that either.

Tell me, do they still warn travelers not to venture too far from Tennessee lest they fall off the edge of the earth? Do many vol fans even realize that Tennessee is not the center of the universe? Probably not. You will never understand that as well.

Once again, your self proclaimed greatness is a bit whacky AGAIN! I'll bet you that there are more people on the West Coast who would prefer watching Oregon play Stanford as there are football fans in the whole country who want to watch Tennessee take on Vanderbilt compared to a team from their area. Duh. Even you can understand that.

Would anyone outside of Tennessee give 2 shits about Lane Kiffin if he was promoted to HC from within Fulmer's staff, promoted from within instead of going east from a REAL high profile place like USC or the NFL? I seriously doubt it. You probably don't understand that. Accept it. It's just the truth. Tough titties.

And lastly, do you have any idea how many girls are named Peyton in California? Probably not. But I bet you there are at least as many of them as there are boys named Peyton in Tennessee, maybe more. I understand that, you probably do too. but so what?

 

[russ1945]

I hate to butt in guys, you seem to be having so much fun. After growing up as an OU fan and being a boy scout usher just so I could get into the games, I have seen some legendary things happen in Norman, Oklahoma. I saw Wilkinson's streak come to an end. I saw many All-Americans come and go. A lot of if not all of OU's legend happened right before my eyes. There were the Gomer Jones, and Blake years which I can relate to Fuller's waning year(s). In short the good, bad and ugly is what makes it worth the trip.
I have to say that I had an epiphany of sorts in 1982 at the World's Fair in Knoxville. I was on a team that was playing exhibition slow pitch softball at the World Fair as it was being considered as an Olympic sport at that time. I will never forget the first time I saw the Football Stadium. It was located on one side of the exhibits and it was absolutely breath taking. I actually felt like I was on hallowed ground. OU with all their on field accomplishments played in a shack compared to what I saw in Knoxville. It was the biggest stadium in America at the time and held ove 100,000 back then. It boggled my mind to envision every seat filled with rabid fans. From that point on I realized the the people in Tennessee took football seriously. That place was (is) a fucking shrine. It made OU's stadium look like an out house. I was embarrassed as I was astonished by the sheer size of it.
I don't believe in flexing conferences but I do believe in and admire people who are loyal fans. I know last year was tough for anyone in Tennessee and they are all looking forward to better things. I have said before Kiffin has some big shoes to fill and not just Fuller's. The people in Tennessee have to believe in Kiffin because they are now vested in him.
Whether or not he can get it done remains to be seen. Despite a rather auspicious start and little to no college experience he is in for one hell of a baptism because he better get it done and fast. It will take something big to reexcite the fans sitting in the stands and to get them off of their asses and up and screamng. I am not sure how I feel about Kiffin on a personal level and that would just be my opinion anyway.

 

[UoweDucks]

UT was a total wreck last year. players quit on the team, fanbase was torn and gave up too. my rockbottom as a fan was being in neyland stadium last year for the alabama game and feeling like it was a road game. UT was in the game at halftime but people sitting around me just wanted to "keep it close".

one thing is for sure, people dont hate shitty teams. its good to be hated again.

I get your obsession with talking about the past when your present sucks so bad. I get that it makes you feel better to rip a team and a conference that you know nothing about. (if you weren't so bad at it perhaps it would annoy me). I can appreciate your teams history and respect it. I don't hate Tennessee or you. In fact you humor me. I am enjoying this "window" into the mind of an SEC fan.

It's funny to me that you equate being hated to being good. It's even funnier that you are making the leap that Tennessee is going to be good. Perhaps they will, who knows.

When the offense gets around to averaging more than 17 points per game maybe you can start getting some of that "hate" that you are looking for. I honestly wish you luck.



ps. I don't think any mathmatician or anyone with a sane mind would consider a difference of 25% "fairly close" but again kudus for the chuckle.

 

[russ1945]

Chris you have put yourself between a rock and hard spot on here. No one on here hates Tennessee. Remember all the front runners from Florida who were so full of themselves after winning a national championship pounding this forum with all kinds of boastful rhetoric. What they did that exceeded the limits was to run down other teams and conferences and perhaps exceeding the limits and boundaries that are somewhat permissable when you are as full of pride and accomplishment as they were at the time. Eventually all that subsided and is now all water under the bridge. In your case you are in danger of not having a bridge for the water to go under. When you piss off people like Ducks by turning on the hate as a defense mechanism and running down other programs and conferences you definitely cross line on others that you would not crossed if you were them. All of us have had ups and downs with our favorite programs and losing sucks, changing coaching sucks, and waiting to see if a new coach can cut the mustard is a trial and error process. I guess what I am saying is don't take it out on Ducks and the rest of us. No one here has a lack of respect for any and all other programs other than our own personal favorite. But you don't have to build up the SEC to build up Tennessee or run down Oregon or Florida in the process. We would all like to see Tennessee do well on one hand and one the other hand you must admit that Kiffin would not last long as a scout in the old west. You could see the smoke from his fire for miles around. Regardless of all the off field drama it still boils down to performance on the field. No one, including you, can say how, when, or if it will pan out until it actually comes to pass. Mean while, I think all we are saying is cut us some slack.
A lot of what you say misses the target because your attitude tends to get aggressive and negative. If you make a point and it is right on we will get it. I think maybe you are taking your frustrations out on the wrong guys. If you are on here just to stir the pot then I guess I am wasting my time here. If you want to intelligently discuss things, hell anything, we are here for that. Everyone got on me for jumping on SoonerBS and I was wrong. I was wrong because I didn't know him well enough and I pre-judged him. What I said was right in terms of that was how I felt, but what I said was not justified in the end. We all get pissed off and we all think we know more than we really know at times, but in the end this forum is a vehicle for communicating. Keep your ears to the ground in Tenn and we will do the same. Lets just keep the smoke from getting any unwanted attention. Most importantly keep those bridges in tact, you may need them someday.

 

[Conan]

Russ, Chris is actually a fairly intelligent guy. He is smarter than most of his trailer trash friends and he keeps himself pretty well informed about UT and a lot of the other SEC schools... at least to a point. But he knows virtually nothing about the Pac-10. He has no interest at all and he admits it. Sometimes he goes too far with it because he thinks everyone else thinks like he thinks and he has trouble telling what is attitude and what is truth.

And as far as his attitude goes... well it's like we say in Oregon, if he looks like a dick, walks like a dick and sounds like a dick, he's a pusssy.

 

[ChrisParadise]

Chris you have put yourself between a rock and hard spot on here. No one on here hates Tennessee. Remember all the front runners from Florida who were so full of themselves after winning a national championship pounding this forum with all kinds of boastful rhetoric. What they did that exceeded the limits was to run down other teams and conferences and perhaps exceeding the limits and boundaries that are somewhat permissable when you are as full of pride and accomplishment as they were at the time. Eventually all that subsided and is now all water under the bridge. In your case you are in danger of not having a bridge for the water to go under. When you piss off people like Ducks by turning on the hate as a defense mechanism and running down other programs and conferences you definitely cross line on others that you would not crossed if you were them. All of us have had ups and downs with our favorite programs and losing sucks, changing coaching sucks, and waiting to see if a new coach can cut the mustard is a trial and error process. I guess what I am saying is don't take it out on Ducks and the rest of us. No one here has a lack of respect for any and all other programs other than our own personal favorite. But you don't have to build up the SEC to build up Tennessee or run down Oregon or Florida in the process. We would all like to see Tennessee do well on one hand and one the other hand you must admit that Kiffin would not last long as a scout in the old west. You could see the smoke from his fire for miles around. Regardless of all the off field drama it still boils down to performance on the field. No one, including you, can say how, when, or if it will pan out until it actually comes to pass. Mean while, I think all we are saying is cut us some slack.
A lot of what you say misses the target because your attitude tends to get aggressive and negative. If you make a point and it is right on we will get it. I think maybe you are taking your frustrations out on the wrong guys. If you are on here just to stir the pot then I guess I am wasting my time here. If you want to intelligently discuss things, hell anything, we are here for that. Everyone got on me for jumping on SoonerBS and I was wrong. I was wrong because I didn't know him well enough and I pre-judged him. What I said was right in terms of that was how I felt, but what I said was not justified in the end. We all get pissed off and we all think we know more than we really know at times, but in the end this forum is a vehicle for communicating. Keep your ears to the ground in Tenn and we will do the same. Lets just keep the smoke from getting any unwanted attention. Most importantly keep those bridges in tact, you may need them someday.

russ, this has been going on for a few years now. its not new

every thread in the college football forum gets turned into a pac-10 / sec debate , we have lost a few posters over this nonsense. i didnt bother to log in here myself for 6 months or so last year while conan and whormoan went at it

sometimes it results in good football talk, sometimes they just get thier lil west coast feelings hurt and start talking crazy. this is one of those times.

 

[ChrisParadise]

Russ, Chris is actually a fairly intelligent guy. He is smarter than most of his trailer trash friends and he keeps himself pretty well informed about UT and a lot of the other SEC schools... at least to a point. But he knows virtually nothing about the Pac-10. He has no interest at all and he admits it. Sometimes he goes too far with it because he thinks everyone else thinks like he thinks and he has trouble telling what is attitude and what is truth.

And as far as his attitude goes... well it's like we say in Oregon, if he looks like a dick, walks like a dick and sounds like a dick, he's a pusssy.

conan, its pretty obvious from the dozens of other threads that you have tainted with your pac-10 propaganda, that the consensus (at least on this forum) is that no one respects the pac-10.

do they still have a net around the sidelines in the pac-10 ? and use a nerf football?

we have a saying in Tn too. stfu!

now go start a Skip Kelly thread!

btw, ill admit i do read up extra onthe pac-10 because of this place. i checked out his resume and he makes lane kiffin look like joe paterno. ...new hampshire? seriously? the guy has 2 years in major college football and hes taking over the reigns at a bcs school ? hes never been a HC anywhere? not even when he was at johns hopkins? smells a lot like the dave clawson experiment that cost fulmer his job. im sure its different though, im sure theres a disney flavored excuse.

now this will hurt you deep down but i guarantee if TN had offered him the job - hed be in knoxville right now.

 

[ChrisParadise]

ps. I don't think any mathmatician or anyone with a sane mind would consider a difference of 25% "fairly close" but again kudus for the chuckle.

ok how bout this, UT has won more bowl games than Oregon has played in . maybe that was the original fact i misquoted. but how gay does it make you look to argue the value of a 25% difference , when the point is still made.

TN has been to more bowl in the past 27 yrs than oregon has been to since they started playing football ...does that make you feel better? that says it all right there

and despite TN having its worst 3 yr run in school history, since the year 2000 oregon has one more total win than the vols. ONE. and you keep bragging about "recent history" factor in the conference strengths thats universally agreed upon and that goes to say even since 2000 the vols have had more success.

 

[Conan]

conan, its pretty obvious from the dozens of other threads that you have tainted with your pac-10 propaganda, that the consensus (at least on this forum) is that no one respects the pac-10.

do they still have a net around the sidelines in the pac-10 ? and use a nerf football?

we have a saying in Tn too. stfu!

now go start a Skip Kelly thread!

btw, ill admit i do read up extra onthe pac-10 because of this place. i checked out his resume and he makes lane kiffin look like joe paterno. ...new hampshire? seriously? the guy has 2 years in major college football and hes taking over the reigns at a bcs school ? hes never been a HC anywhere? not even when he was at johns hopkins? smells a lot like the dave clawson experiment that cost fulmer his job. im sure its different though, im sure theres a disney flavored excuse.

now this will hurt you deep down but i guarantee if TN had offered him the job - hed be in knoxville right now.

No respect? To me that's just more fodder for game day to settle up then. I relish the opportunities that come my way. You will have your share of it too because of your HC's personality against the backdrop of all that intra-conference animosity.

Eh. As far as the way I've come to handle it, I know what they don't know and that makes me very happy. Just look at all the ways I am right and everyone else is wrong. Knowing as little of substance as you do about the Pac-10, you are a perfect example.

But my issue aside, you will have the same thing going on in your corner soon enough if you haven't noticed it already and it will become a regular thing, especially if Kiffin turns out to be successful -- at least as successful as the Pac-10 has been when they play the SEC. Perhaps he brought that quality with him over from the Pac-10. Lucky you.

Let 'em whine all they want. Let 'em boast and brag and pay the man with all that ignorant thinking. My way of doing it doesn't cost me a dime. As a matter of fact, it's profitable. While they bask in the glory of their wet dreams, I'll be transfering funds into my bank account and making plans for what to do with my winnings. And I do win, quite a bit because I like to think of it as a game of knowledge and skill, not gambling at all.

I just hope that there are at least a few who can keep it all in perspective and remember that it's a game. As far as the rest of the homies are concerned, they live very tiny existences and aren't worth the time or the effort to bother relating to. In other words, tata... no love lost. Have a happy pigskin life and may they bury you with an authentic Peyton Manning autographed football when you're dead.

And no, your iffing doesn't hurt me at all. No matter how right you may think you are, your premise is fictional and has no place in reality. But if thinking that Kelly would have bolted for Tennessee gives you a warm fuzzy feeling, I bet you also have a stack of Playboys under the bathroom sink to fuzz out with too. One good fuzz deserves another.

Personally I prefer my games to be played out on the field and my women nice and wet. Aside from that, nothing really interests me enough to bother. I guess that can only come with a track record of success and personal accomplishment. I want nothing of anyone elses. I'm not interested because I can and do take care of my own.

Now I'm not saying don't enjoy a good banter once in a while and I also like flipping through my playboys too. I just don't want to make a habit of it and I don't wish to create a need for it either. In other words, Mr. dealer, I don't require any cards, my hand is pat.

One last thing. If you want to talk about Oregon's coaches anymore, maybe you can at least try to get the name right so people will think MAYBE you know what you are talking about instead of sounding like a 1/2-wit. Just some advice to help your image out in a way that is sorely needed for credibility sake -- if you would allow me to offer that. The name is Chip Kelly, not Skip Kelly.

So as far as Kelly's background is concerned, a HC's success has more to do with where a man is capable of going than where he has been. Those issues are about a man's personality and character (and of course his expertise) and the ability of the guy that hired him to judge a man correctly. Bellotti's history of choosing great AC's speaks volumes.

When the season ended last year, several schools came sniffing around interested in hiring Kelly as their next HC. But after seeing the man in action for 2 years as Oregon's OC, Bellotti and Oregon's AD Killkenny decided it was time to guarantee him the HC job as soon as Bellotti was ready to step down. They went out of their way to lock him up. There's a good reason why they went and did that. After 2 years running thier offense, they realized that he was their guy.

I'd take Kelly in a lick over Kiffin because Kelly is an expert X's and O's man, he commands an air of respect about him, he connects well with young players and he's a proven producer and one of the most brilliant offensive minds in CFB... and he's tough. He's proven himself to be all that doing his job. That's bankable.

So far Kiffin has been nothing more than a flash in the pan.... so far. But one thing I definitely give the man credit for is how he's shown that he can be an excellent motivator and that's exactly what the Vols needed most... and the SEC is about as infested with sharks and other types predators as it gets. He's given every indication that he's up to it. As far as the rest goes...... (to be continued) and so far the signs are good.

I'm out.

 

[UoweDucks]

ok how bout this, UT has won more bowl games than Oregon has played in . maybe that was the original fact i misquoted. but how gay does it make you look to argue the value of a 25% difference , when the point is still made.

TN has been to more bowl in the past 27 yrs than oregon has been to since they started playing football ...does that make you feel better? that says it all right there

and despite TN having its worst 3 yr run in school history, since the year 2000 oregon has one more total win than the vols. ONE. and you keep bragging about "recent history" factor in the conference strengths thats universally agreed upon and that goes to say even since 2000 the vols have had more success.

At least I've got you doing some fact checking before you post. Quite the crackerjack.

Since 2000 Oregon has had 3 top 10 finishes. Tennessee has just one. At least the poll-makers gave credence to Oregon's scheduling. Pretty easy to have built a record similar to Oregon when you fill up on the likes of:

memphis
Ul Monroe
South Miss
Syracuse
Rutgers
Middle tennessee st (your alma mater right?)
Unlv
UAB
UL Lafayette
Wyoming (whoops, it worked in '02 but bit you in 08)

Maybe Tennessee would have rated higher had they blown some of these laughers out and not just squeaked by.


Oh BTW, On your fact checking; while you were bragging about reading up on Oregon's coach and how much he would prefer to be at your school than at Oregon I almost missed it. I knew you wouldn't let me down. Golden. Kudos again.

@)

And I'll tell you one thing "Skip" got right at his press conference;

-Kelly when asked about Bryce Brown,
"I'm not going to break any NCAA rules on my first day.''

"Skip" 1
Kiffin 0


We are going in circles you and I Chris. As I said I respect your school the tradition the stadium, tailgating on the river. Everything. It is your ignorance that I get a kick out of. Russ's post I thought spelled it out real nice. I enjoyed reading his thoughts and look forward to perhaps witnessing your stadium in person. I'm all for letting this conversation die because sadly I know that when we get the point when you quote some old Tennessee sayings like "stfu" the laughter ends.

 

[Conan]

HAHAHA!!!

Thanks for reminding me about whormoan last year. I will never forget his 1/2ass attempt at forging a "winning ticket" with the wager time showing to be 1 1/2 hours after the game had started!!

Yeah, it can be a lot of fun.

And hey, I'm glad you mentioned all of the Pac-10 posts that littered up this forum last season. People used to be soooooooo pissed off trying to bet Pac-10 games. We started this Pac-10 discussion thing about 6 or 7 years ago in an attempt to stem the huge amounts of money flowing out of people's pockets and into the hands of the bookmakers trying to pick winning sides in Pac-10 games in vain. I am happy and proud to say that it has now become a thing of the past.

I'm just doing my job bud. I am very happy with the thanks I get from people here that win money on my account, and I'm sure Ducks feels the same way. It's good to feel a little human in a disgusting place like this where so many jerks abound.

Now be a good boy and thank UoD for helping you get your facts straightened out. I realize that it's tough love and not easy to take, but it will do you some good... financially speaking if you are paying attention.

 

[ChrisParadise]

At least I've got you doing some fact checking before you post. Quite the crackerjack.

Since 2000 Oregon has had 3 top 10 finishes. Tennessee has just one. At least the poll-makers gave credence to Oregon's scheduling. Pretty easy to have built a record similar to Oregon when you fill up on the likes of:

memphis
Ul Monroe
South Miss
Syracuse
Rutgers
Middle tennessee st (your alma mater right?)
Unlv
UAB
UL Lafayette
Wyoming (whoops, it worked in '02 but bit you in 08)

Maybe Tennessee would have rated higher had they blown some of these laughers out and not just squeaked by.


Oh BTW, On your fact checking; while you were bragging about reading up on Oregon's coach and how much he would prefer to be at your school than at Oregon I almost missed it. I knew you wouldn't let me down. Golden. Kudos again.

@)

And I'll tell you one thing "Skip" got right at his press conference;

-Kelly when asked about Bryce Brown,
"I'm not going to break any NCAA rules on my first day.''

"Skip" 1
Kiffin 0


We are going in circles you and I Chris. As I said I respect your school the tradition the stadium, tailgating on the river. Everything. It is your ignorance that I get a kick out of. Russ's post I thought spelled it out real nice. I enjoyed reading his thoughts and look forward to perhaps witnessing your stadium in person. I'm all for letting this conversation die because sadly I know that when we get the point when you quote some old Tennessee sayings like "stfu" the laughter ends.

couple things

Oregon spent two years on probation this decade. TN has never been on probation. ever. so you really need to watch using the cheat stuff...

show me a BCS school headcoach with less major college experience than Skip Kelly?

and yes Skip Kelley would rather be coaching the SEC. has a coach ever left the SEC for the pac-10? has a coach ever turned down a SEC job to stay in the pac-10?
come on man, you know better.

again, its not your fault - i know they try hard in the pac-10. but there can only be one top conference. one where the players want to be, they coaches want to be. and judging by Conans obsession its where the fans want to be.

 

[UoweDucks]

couple things

TN has never been on probation. ever. so you really need to watch using the cheat stuff...

You sir are the gift that keeps giving! Pure gold yet again.


Guess you were not following them vols back in the good ole days. Yeeehaw!

Tennessee Put on Probation

Published: Thursday, September 19, 1991

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The N.C.A.A. committee on infractions did not impose any restrictions on post-season competition, television appearances, recruiting or expense-paid visits by recruits.
The N.C.A.A. said in its decision that Tennessee had dismissed the assistant coach responsible for most of the violations and had left his job unfilled. The association also said the school was reducing football scholarships by 10 for the next two seasons, a decision made by the university after its own investigation.
The N.C.A.A. charged the football program with six violations of its recruiting rules in April. The violations included improper recruiting activities by Jack Sells, an assistant coach. The N.C.A.A. also charged that Sells had tried to cover up his actions by lying to an N.C.A.A. investigator in December. After its in-house investigation, Tennessee admitted most of the charges against Sells, who was dismissed at the end of the investigation June 7.



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[ChrisParadise]

heh

but wait! stuff that happened in the 90's is not relevant! Oregon wants to count football from 2000 till today only. anything before that never happened

so lets go back to 91 and see who has more top 10 finishes

run along, look it up for me - ive no time.

 

[UoweDucks]

heh

but wait! stuff that happened in the 90's is not relevant! Oregon wants to count football from 2000 till today only. anything before that never happened

so lets go back to 91 and see who has more top 10 finishes

run along, look it up for me - ive no time.

I guess I would expect the resident expert here on them vols to not make ridiculous statements like "Tennessee has never been on probabation. ever." Wouldn't any fan of Tennessee for the past 20 years may want to think twice before typing that?

I mean if you didn't know that about your favorite team, that then I really have to question your football knowledge. Oh wait, I've already done that. ha!

In the spirit of Russ's reasoned response to you I really tried to give you an easy exit on this thread. You just keep stepping in it.

Me thinks you like the attention.

 

[ChrisParadise]

I guess I would expect the resident expert here on them vols to not make ridiculous statements like "Tennessee has never been on probabation. ever." Wouldn't any fan of Tennessee for the past 20 years may want to think twice before typing that?

I mean if you didn't know that about your favorite team, that then I really have to question your football knowledge. Oh wait, I've already done that. ha!

In the spirit of Russ's reasoned response to you I really tried to give you an easy exit on this thread. You just keep stepping in it.

Me thinks you like the attention.

me thinks you keep finding excuses to avoid answering questions and accepting the truth. you will harp on this for a bit then somethign else

again i ask - is there any BCS head coach with less major college experience than Skip Kelly.

oooh - you wont go search and find that answer, you will just ignore it and worry about a mathematicians opinion on %'s

come on man, go look at this thread - you have offered no discussion , no insight - just constantly trying to argue.

you even promised not to post again in it twice but you cant help it

isnt there a disney football movie being filmed at oregon you should be at? is the rock gonna star in it wearing a neon uniform?

this isnt the NYP, i dont get paid to post here and i sure as hell dont stop to re-read and worry about saying something wrong.

like i said you dont offer anything but nitpicking like a little girl. its immature and childish and shows that you have no confidence to offer any opinion of substance.

you are a spectator, just like your beloved ducks.

 

[ChrisParadise]

more Lane Kiffin press, saying exactly what i been trying to tell you all . your welcome.

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Just Lane crazy? Actually, there's method to Kiffin's madness<TABLE class=storyHeader style="BACKGROUND: url(http://images.cbssports.com/images/authors-318x86/257.jpg) no-repeat left top; HEIGHT: 91px" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=storyInfo style="PADDING-LEFT: 95px" vAlign=top>March 18, 2009
By Dennis Dodd
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<!-- T11519221 --><!-- Sesame Modified: 03/18/2009 15:41:28 --><!-- sversion: 17 $Updated: lylec$ -->KNOXVILLE, Tenn. -- The voice comes over the phone, calmly but urgently.
"You write your story yet?"
No.
It has been a day since the interview and the notebook is stuffed. As a wise man once said, "This is gold, Jerry! Gold!" But there is a dramatic pause on the line and you think: Oh no, all of it was too good. He's going to backtrack. Afraid to hurt feelings, dent chrome, take another swipe after all the damage he has done.
"Well, I'm not going to tell you what to write, but you should make it clear, you know, well, this stuff was on purpose."
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</TD><TD width=15> </TD></TR><TR><TD width=270>By staying in the news, Lane Kiffin keeps recruits thinking about Tennessee. 'They're seeing the 'T' again,' he says. (AP) </TD><TD width=15> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>On purpose? All of it? Does this guy know what he is saying? You can't keep from offering the voice a way to squirm out of another temporary lapse of reason.
"But your dad said when you came off the podium on signing day you remarked, 'God, I shouldn't have said that.'"
"See," the voice says. "I even fooled him."
An hour later, the voice on the line is there in person, projecting from a different podium.
"Thanks for coming," Lane Kiffin says to a packed room of media waiting for him to trip up again. "We can't wait to get spring practice to get started ..."

Lane Kiffin gets it

If you've come here to read how Tennessee's new coach is going yap his way out of a job he has barely started, it ain't happening. If you think Division I-A's youngest, most cocksure coach has kicked off his career going negative, well, you're right. There have been three secondary NCAA violations. He called out Florida -- twice. Maybe insulted the entire state of South Carolina. Pissed off the SEC. In the process he has made Al Davis look practically lucid.
Now Kiffin has called to tell you that it was all intentional. No one is that dumb, right? But life is three dimensional and we aren't used to three dimensional in college football. Unfortunately, this sport and its fans tend to view things on a flat plane 120 yards long.
You know, now, that Lane Kiffin gets it. We're all being played. The networks. The writers. The players. Gator Nation. Even Vol Nation.
You either get it along with him or you're missing the biggest college football story of 2009. Embrace the Smirk.
He has a foil -- and a plan

For years, Steve Spurrier played Scrabble with the letters UT. For the most part, Phil Fulmer and Tennessee sat back and took it. It was Dennis Miller vs. Henny Youngman.
Kiffin has chosen to take out a scalpel and make an incision. You're either Lane or Lane Bait. The difference being, Spur Dog had all those SEC titles at Florida and wins over Tennessee. Kiffin is waiting to coach his first college game.
Yeah, well, tough. This is Marketing 101. There is no such thing as bad publicity, especially when top recruits had begun to ignore your school.
It's obvious now the Gators are obsessed with this new phenomenon in their craw.
Hate is a wonderful thing, especially when it can be turned against you.
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</TD><TD width=15> </TD></TR><TR><TD width=270>Mentioning Kiffin's name probably won't make Florida's Urban Meyer and Jeremy Foley smile. (US Presswire) </TD><TD width=15> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>You should remember Kiffin's false signing day claims that Urban Meyer "cheated" to get recruit Nu'Keese Richardson. You remember Florida AD Jeremy Foley and the SEC freaking out. You also remember Kiffin's apology by the end of the same day.
Hee-hee. It seems like the joke is on everybody else. Shortly before the spring presser, someone showed Kiffin a cell phone picture of one of his famous quotes now hanging in the Gators' new Heavener Football Complex.
"I'm really looking forward to embracing some of the great traditions at the University of Tennessee," Kiffin said the day he was hired, "for instance the Vol Walk, running through the T, singing Rocky Top all night long after we beat Florida next year. It will be a blast."
Glancing at the phone picture, the coach smiled and said, "Beautiful. Awesome. Wonderful. They even put our logo on it. Free advertising and we didn't have to pay for it."
Florida has made his day because Florida has taken the bait.
Never mind that mild-mannered Jim Tressel basically did the same thing, calling out Michigan at halftime of a basketball game after he was hired at Ohio State. That was cute. Different conference. Different time. This is war.
The Gator message boards are filled with "Lame" Kiffin bombast. The columnists have bit on the worm. How dare a coach who failed in the NFL and hasn't coached a college game for a school that hasn't won squat since 1998 taunt the defending national champs?
They still don't get it. Kiffin wants you to hate him. Or love him, it doesn't matter. Just talk about him. Get "Tennessee" or "Vols" in the headline. Show his mug on television.
"The best way to do it is to get our colors, our helmet in Sports Illustrated, in USA Today," Kiffin said, "because this isn't the NFL. This is about recruiting. Every freshman, every sophomore, every junior in America saw Tennessee over these last couple of weeks. They're seeing the 'T' again, they're seeing the colors."
That, you cannot deny.

'He doesn't back down'

Kiffin gets it because he understands that, in the SEC, unless you get players everything else is fluff. First, he got the best coaches he can find. His 68-year-old dad, Monte, made a monumental move from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers back to college. Lane still crows about ripping master recruiter Lance Thompson from Alabama. Offensive coordinator Jim Chaney is the answer to the question, Who was Drew Brees' OC at Purdue?
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</TD><TD width=15> </TD></TR><TR><TD width=270>With his NFL bona fides, Monte Kiffin (left) garners instant respect. (AP) </TD><TD width=15> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Brother-in-law David Reaves came from South Carolina, a blow to the OBC. Kiffin reportedly tried to snag Florida receivers coach Bill Gonzalez while the Gators were preparing for the national championship game. Georgia's Rodney Garner apparently turned down a $400,000-per-year offer.
The staff makes a combined $5.25 million, huge money but also in line with the goal to get this thing turned around: Get the coaches, recruit like hell and resurrect UT. While you're at it, let everyone know you're coming.
"You better keep up or you show up like a sore thumb," said Chaney of his 5:15 a.m.-to-9 p.m. workdays. "We want high energy. We are passionate. It's not manufactured, it's real."
Kiffin understands that folks had stopped talking about Tennessee. When they did mention the Vols in mixed company, it was about what went wrong in a 5-7 season that cost Fulmer his job. That and how God-awful it was to watch a unit that was fourth-worst nationally in total offense. It was a stale program.
Kiffin sold the fact that he called plays for back-to-back Pac-10 champions in 2005-06 and helped Southern Cal's Reggie Bush win a Heisman. The disastrous dalliance with the Raiders? Kiffin looks at it like he couldn't lose. The Raiders sucked before he got there. If he turned it around, he was miracle worker. If he didn't, it was Davis' incompetence.
Whenever Kiffin opens his mouth lately, Oakland's Crypt Keeper looks more and more credible. Then something like Monday comes along. After only 3½ months on the job, Kiffin snagged No. 1 recruit Bryce Brown out of Wichita, Kan. Another brick in the recruiting wall.
"I love Tennessee and coach Kiffin," Brown told reporters. "He doesn't back down."

Orange's crush

It's funny what we can overlook when we fall in love. The Raiders are saying nasty things about Kiffin. The coach has had to come off the road to fly to the West Coast for depositions. A letter sent by Oakland attorneys last week basically threatened to sue the school if Kiffin ever says the words "Oakland" and "Raiders" in public again.
[SIZE=+1]• Brown signs with Tennessee | Raiders write a letter
Oh well, there's always the orange love.
"I told him, in this state it's Dolly Parton, Elvis and you," AD Mike Hamilton said. "Not necessarily in that order."
"Whatever it is, I feel like this staff has it," All-American defensive back Eric Berry said.
Berry chose his words carefully. He doesn't want to disparage his former coach. No one inside the football complex does. The anti-Fulmer fans got their way, but that's not what this about. Kiffin himself knew he had to endear himself to a populace that had seen only two head coaches in the past 32 years. There were factions. There were Johnny Majors factions. There were Fulmer factions, too. There was a Kiffin faction that bought in simply because he wasn't Fulmer.
Berry remembers his new coach's first meeting with the players. There was something in the air. The upheaval of a coaching change. The defense, he said, had "separated" from the offense.
"It was just a little awkward," Berry said. "I think he gained a lot of respect in that first meeting. A lot of people were probably making it seem like he was responsible for getting coach Fulmer fired. As soon as he [spoke] I think the players felt better. We felt like we all needed to get on the bandwagon and make this thing work."
What did the coach say? New era. All the jobs are open. There will be no conditioning after practice because practice is conditioning. A coach's son born in Minnesota but who has also lived in Nebraska, Arkansas, Green Bay, Buffalo, Long Island, Fresno, Colorado, Jacksonville, L.A. and Oakland was laying down the (out)law.
"Go back to the way I was raised. I was raised growing up with my dad," he said. "I had to learn to deal in all these situations, all these different cultures."
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</TD><TD width=15> </TD></TR><TR><TD width=270>Star defensive back Eric Berry quickly became a believer in Tennessee's new coaching staff. (Getty Images) </TD><TD width=15> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>As USC's recruiting coordinator, Kiffin went head to head with SEC schools bringing prizes back to the West Coast. Kiffin came right into Nashville a few years ago and snatched up prized receiver Patrick Turner. Think that left a mark in Knoxville?
When he is done making his points, it is suggested that you might be hearing a repeat of his interview with Tennessee.
"You are."

Breaking tradition

The SEC doesn't laugh at itself enough. Great football, but too many clenched jaws. There's just not enough Spurrier anymore, especially since The Ol' Ball Coach began to lose his fastball at South Carolina. Even Spurrier understands you can't tweak the nose of someone who beats your butt.
At Tennessee, football as life and death has been twisted into a balloon animal by Kiffin. Before the Vols can win again, they have to lighten up. The players are mostly clueless to the fact that Kiffin is involved in a heated legal battle with the Raiders. They either don't know or don't care that defensive line coach Ed Orgeron was a failure as a head coach at Ole Miss.
"It's contagious," Berry said. "You wake up at 5 in the morning and see Coach O in his office drinking Red Bull and coffee.
"We don't have a choice but to be excited."
Apathetic was never a word associated with Neyland Stadium. But there they were, empty seats last season. A glorious empire in decline.
Kiffin inherited a desk that was purposefully built up about a foot off the ground by it former occupier. It's obvious there was a throne-quality to the setup. With everything else swirling around him, that is where the new coach draws the line.
"Come on," he said. "Let's go back here."
In a trophy room/lounge appointed with the spoils of Tennessee's glorious football past, Kiffin unwinds.
His reign, to date, is discussed.
The junior day that made national headlines recently: "That's classic SEC," Kiffin said.
Prospects were in a meeting room when several coaches burst in, topless. Not that there is anything wrong with that. However, in the Deep South it is against the code. You know the one: State troopers at the postgame handshake. A lot of polyester and hounds tooth.
Half-naked screaming coaches? Son, you ain't from around here are you?
But on this day, Kiffin is in cross trainers, shorts and a modest UT long-sleeve shirt that wicks the sweat off the body. ("I didn't take my shirt off," he reminds you.) Kiffin brought the topless look from USC, where recruits were asked to do the same thing.
"It's the best story you could ever have," Kiffin said. "You can't get all these recruits on your campus. You've got to convince them to take an official visit. What better way when they read about this.
"We had numerous kids the next day [say] this was the best junior day I was ever at. They had a blast. They said, 'These coaches are so intense, so high energy. You can tell they're going to win here. Tennessee is at the top of my list now.'"
The three NCAA violations: "There's so many secondary violations that go on that you don't hear about. ... Somebody told me Nick (Saban) had 24 his first year. ... A majority of them don't even make it to the media. The problem right here, because it's Tennessee and it's a new job and the approach I've taken of pushing things a little, everybody is looking for something. We're real quick to turn things in. We know everybody is looking at us."
The constant derision of Florida: "I don't think because something was said, all the sudden Florida is going to try harder. This is a great rivalry, a great matchup. I really don't think we're going to be able to go in there our first year and sneak up on them."
Ya think? Kiffin has put his players in a box. They know it but they love it. On the record, too.
"Like I told him, I'm going to ride with him until the wheels fall off," Berry said. "I feel like he's one of my cousins who happens to be a little older than me. ... He called out Florida, so we have to make sure we do everything we need to in the offseason to make his words come true."

Father knows defense best

Monte Kiffin loves Bob Devaney. Loves him.
Late in the 1963 season, Monte, then a Nebraska junior defensive tackle, went out and celebrated a victory over Oklahoma a bit too much. Devaney, the legendary Huskers coach, suspended him. Monte missed the Gotham Bowl and thought his career was in jeopardy.
"He gave me a second chance," said the 68-year-old defensive mastermind. "I started my senior year. Three years later Devaney hired me as a grad assistant. I owe everything to him. It started my whole career. I'll never forget that."
You're living through what happened next. Had the Bobfather stuck his boot on Monte's throat, we probably would have never known the Tampa 2. Monte would have never become Pete Carroll's mentor while they were both at Arkansas 30 years ago. Carroll's wife, Glena, would have never babysat 2-year-old Lane. Certainly, Lane would have never been hired at USC in 2001.
Now Monte is the legend, smiling all the time, kind of half-limping through the day, telling jokes and reviewing film with players. There have been no worries about an NFL coordinator coming back to college after 27 years away. He has been Francisco Rodriguez in recruiting -- the closer. For this generation of players, there is every chance that they know Monte from the NFL more than they know his son from the NFL.
"If you can't do it right for him, who can you do it right for?" linebacker Rico McCoy said.
The strange thing this is, the D last season was not the problem. Tennessee finished tied for third in total defense. Lane has made sure it stays that way, even if Dad did have to take a pay cut to become the nation's highest-paid coordinator ($1.2 million).
"Whether he was here or not, I talk to him every day on the phone," Lane said. "It's not that exciting that my dad's down the hall. Maybe that sounds shallow. It's because I know how well our defense is going to be coached."

Lane doesn't give a damn

Except for the important stuff. Recruiting. Players. Game day. Championships.
The reality is that Tennessee doesn't figure to be a factor in the SEC East this fall. In his fantastic first class Kiffin didn't recruit a quarterback. All the best ones are signed. He preferred to get in on current juniors who will be available in 2010.
The quarterbacks on the roster don't wow you, leftovers from the old regime. Tennessee used to pump out quarterbacks like Honda pumps out Civics. For all the hype and promises and trash-talking, the giant hole behind center reminds us this is still a process.
Florida will still be waiting in Gainesville on Sept. 19.
So will Davis and Foley and the SEC if Tennessee's coach slips up again.
"I think at some point we all liked to be liked," Hamilton said.
Apparently, not all of us.

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[UoweDucks]

me thinks you keep finding excuses to avoid answering questions and accepting the truth. you will harp on this for a bit then somethign else

again i ask - is there any BCS head coach with less major college experience than Skip Kelly.

I tried to do the research on Skip Kelly but this was all I could come up with

http://www.myspace.com/skipk