b.g?.....bill gates......has to be bill gates after seeing those wagers.......you aren`t playing around,are you bro.?.....
btw....wtf was that $14 wager doing in among those tall trees?.....lol...
i see you gotta a serious "danny williams over "jones on your back....
whew.....you got some serious sac,partner...
i hope you get it....
btw....wtf was that $14 wager doing in among those tall trees?.....lol...
i see you gotta a serious "danny williams over "jones on your back....
whew.....you got some serious sac,partner...
i hope you get it....
Think about what you guys are saying. Here in Vegas, they have turned into little bitches when it comes to boxing lines. They want to play it safe. Many times they respond to the offshores. We don't influence jack! Personally, I never was really sure why Joey stopped by once in while. Maybe just to shoot the breeze. At any rate, I say continue to discuss fights whether lines are out or not. How bout we all go into collusion and say we just LOVE a certain guy, so as to try and influence the number and when it comes out we hammer the other side? You have got to be kidding. These guys get info and it ain't from here. Sounds like a bunch of egotistical crappola to me. This whole thread has really stunk the joint up. Lets get back to capping and discussing fights, as we always have done.
maybe not on this forum,franks.....but,certain guys on the net influence many other gamblers....
you don`t have to believe it?..well,it`s so...
....i can voice my opinion....you don`t have to agree....hardcore can discuss fights before or after they`re lined....that`s up to him...i shouldn`t have said anything....none of my business...
ego-driven?....you think there`s an ego problem here?.....that`s laughable...
here`s the ego driven statement....
"There are all kinds of opinions on fights before they happen but in the end his own opinion is more important than anyone elses. Maybe mine being 2nd most important."
i don`t think for a second valdosta wasn`t just kidding around...i`m sure he was...and i agree that joey`s opinion is the one that matters...
that doesn`t preclude everyone else from speaking their minds or disagreeing......nobody`s god....and nobody should get hammered because they disagree...we`re all grown-ups..
joey...i respect what you do..you do it damned well..i`m glad you do it......and you seem like a good guy....appreciate you coming on and fencing with us....but i`ll never kiss anybody`s ass...suck up to anybody....shade my opinion because of who somebody is...if we disagree,so be it...i do it respectfully..
i`m gonna say what i think....and i don`t mean to offend anyone by my comments...
i`m done..
you don`t have to believe it?..well,it`s so...
....i can voice my opinion....you don`t have to agree....hardcore can discuss fights before or after they`re lined....that`s up to him...i shouldn`t have said anything....none of my business...
ego-driven?....you think there`s an ego problem here?.....that`s laughable...
here`s the ego driven statement....
"There are all kinds of opinions on fights before they happen but in the end his own opinion is more important than anyone elses. Maybe mine being 2nd most important."
i don`t think for a second valdosta wasn`t just kidding around...i`m sure he was...and i agree that joey`s opinion is the one that matters...
that doesn`t preclude everyone else from speaking their minds or disagreeing......nobody`s god....and nobody should get hammered because they disagree...we`re all grown-ups..
joey...i respect what you do..you do it damned well..i`m glad you do it......and you seem like a good guy....appreciate you coming on and fencing with us....but i`ll never kiss anybody`s ass...suck up to anybody....shade my opinion because of who somebody is...if we disagree,so be it...i do it respectfully..
i`m gonna say what i think....and i don`t mean to offend anyone by my comments...
i`m done..
You know, the majority of you guys seem to be ok. But it really fukin aggravates me when I go out of my way to be nice, answer questions, HONESTLY, dont steer guys to make bad wagers or into any particular book for that matter. I get insulted and sounds flakey, but my feelings get hurt when people make me out to be some coniving bastard. You give me 2 much credit for being a prick. I dont treat you guys bad, do I? I would expect the same in return. Otherwise I simply will do without the posting here. Its no big deal. I LOVE MMA, I enjoy boxing, but damned do I hate being refering to as some lowlife kinda guy that is hell bent on taking your money. Put yourself in my shoes. I simply enjoy talking shop and debating. IMO it benifits everyone.What other oddsmakers really get personal with anonymous posters? I post at MW daily. If I have an opinion that differs, or If I dont want to discuss, I just remain silent. I got my start thru the Major Wager forums posting plays years ago. I went like 88-12. Mostly dogs. I was very lucky and some work helped too. I'm sure that they were't clocking me and moving off my posts. And if they were I would never infer it. Its really no big deal. I dont think there is anyone that will look at me and judge me as a bad guy in the boxing world. I try my best and work hard just like you guys. I try to make qa number that generates 2 way action. Thats it. If it gets overlayed, I end up betting it myself. Surely there are better and harder workers out there. Respect to them all. Here is a thread from Madjacks where I felt slighted and I tried to clear things up with an old thread from madjacks where a propoterous accusation came up. http://madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138721&highlight=oddessa For cryin out loud, I HAD THE RESPECT FOR YOU GUYS TO ASK A QUESTION BECAUSE I REALLY WAS BLIND TO THE VEGAS CASINOS AND STILL GOT SLAMMED. Since then they have been kool. In fact one poster there is winning on a regular basis. God bless him. It does not affect my bizness 1 bit. This isnt the end of the world. Alotta people here are kool. If I am the problem, which I dont think I am, I will surely leave. If I was hiding anything why would I post under my real name?????? I have not ONE Alias. Not ONE. No agenda outside making BETTING on the sport grow. It really was dismal years back. If there was no boxing/MMA betting, I go back to being a HS History teacher and coach. I dont wanna do that , as much as I love coaching. Anyway, I hope everyone can get along. Last nights bouts that seemed so trivial were actually pretty rough for me. Perhaps its the stress. I really dont like to argue when time can be spent doing other things. I earn NO % off anyone that posts in these forums. Not a penny. I have different structured things that I would never disclose becuase its no ones bizness to begin with. I do get pissed when people discuss employers and so on. Jay Cohen is a super guy, but wtf wants to be him. Money cant get you back time. And only 1 poster plays me on Credit that is in this thread. So basically his opinion is very important to me considering his action and I belive thats what he was refering to. And I also dont judge anyone by what size bet they make. I know a kid here , Not VAL, THAT BETS SMALL and his action is as good as anyone that bets 10k a rattle. Its not the size of a mans wallet that matters. I know what its like to be dirt poor. To lose everything, To be busted and sit in the slammer because someone was envious, or simply wanted to get outa paying a figure. Now, once again guys, PEACE, and I SERIOUSLY APOLOGIZE and dont want there to be hard hard feelings. I used to just not give a ****, but I do enjoy the fight game, and would naturally bowse this site, like any other from time 2 time, yet be restricted to not posting. Thats pretty sad considering I never did anything malicious to any of you guys. I mean seriously now, isnt this pretty childish. Frank made a good point. get back to boxing and earning instead of he said she said. I am always free to caht if people arent all 1 way. This message was sincere, and from the hip.
For what its worth...........Jirov will be in the -265 range for what its worth, and roughly 10 flat.
Peace. I'll be across the street.:howdy:
For what its worth...........Jirov will be in the -265 range for what its worth, and roughly 10 flat.
Peace. I'll be across the street.:howdy:
Jesus christ Joey nobodys saying that youre coniving or a prick. Nobody even ever insinuated it. Its crazy how youre so paranoid about it. The only thing that we were saying is that its probably not the best idea in the world to advertise to a book who you wanna lay big money on before a number comes out. Thats all!
Anyway, back to business. I dont get it Joey, what sense does it make for these books to wait one day before a fight to come out with a line on it? Their objective is to get as much action as they can going both ways right? The way I figure youre chances are greater of that happening if you have the number out for as much time as possible before the fight. I just dont see what sense it makes to wait a day before Jirov vs Moore to put a number up for it.
Why?
Anyway, back to business. I dont get it Joey, what sense does it make for these books to wait one day before a fight to come out with a line on it? Their objective is to get as much action as they can going both ways right? The way I figure youre chances are greater of that happening if you have the number out for as much time as possible before the fight. I just dont see what sense it makes to wait a day before Jirov vs Moore to put a number up for it.
Why?
LISTEN, I AM SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGH. I think this has turned into a complete mockery of these forums. You want the truth here goes. GIL/KO/MEGA Something or another are same guy. He used to give out sides at Magor Wager all the time, having conversations with himself. Ken, you really fuked up with your big mouth and posting. Sure you 'make' lines wherever. Shybook, Intertops, and who knows where else. you have REPEATEDLY asked me and others that know me who I work for. You are a nosey son of a *****. to go astep further you act like you are these guys friends. You work for BOOKS. fess up. your not a player. You wanted to know if VAL was 5dimes oddsmaker. I dont know what your agenda is, but keep me out of it. deadrick Tattum banned you from Maxboxing for spamming their boards and in turn you made the place you represented look bad and also **** on the guys game he was having while never even participating. What is your problem. You send me emails, yes me to death, ask me questions, and talk smack about MW posters. In fact, youyou went as far as posting a thread to PAST POST 5dimes on a fight. That made your true colors come out. I am certainly no angel, but you are everything that the average joe at a posting forum resents. You are a con man. And if you were in Costa Rica , which your not, I would tell you to your face. How anyone can repect anything that comes outa your mouth is beyond me. I surely have skeltons in my closet pal, but I own up to them.
You guys wonder..........almly.........why I was so aggravated when my integrity was called into question............well there you have it. GIL/KO mr past post oddmaker that pretends he is not on my side of the counter is fulla ****. He is, but 2 much of a puss to admit it. Try telling the truth for once. Its a shame that you are such a degenerate hustler that I had to face you out in this thread. STOP EMAILING ME, Skype callin me, sending me emails as Kev Diesel, KenNotty, KenMcCkusker and whatever other emails you go by and do your own work.
Who cares who makes the 1st line? Who cares who's the best. Try being honest for a change. I can pull up a 100 therads where you gave out 2 sides of a fight and or 'hedged.' I have talked with my freind VAl 1000x ateaming over some of the stunts you pulled. you make us all look bad. This is brutal.
Not was obligated to reposnd, but since we have spoken on phone and you were koool, I will tell you my reasoningbut this is the answer to ALMYS QUESTION. The Moorer line was not up for a few reasons. 1, neither guy is making big money for the bout, 2. his weight is definitely a factor.what good is volume if you are writing it on the wrong side 3. I do this work myself and its not ez for me as it may be for some other people. I try and get as much info as I can so as to not expose my credit guys and the people I do work for with a bad number.
Spincter, I have always respected you and found you to be one of teh sharper guys on the board, so no disrepect intended towards u in this thread, along with hardcore and almy.
Like I stated earlier, It pisses me off to no end that a guy boldly lies and decieves the forum members. I felt him outa years ago,,,,,,,,,,,,,Gil.........suggesting to give nbad info, and sure enough he started doing it to no end. I have not edited or cahnged my posts at MW so feel free to dig up anything you can on me. I do my work, and tell the truth. I'm sure if I didnt, I wouldnt be around in CR too long. Its a shame you represent teh books in such shitty fashion. Thats why I do not publicly acknowledge who I work with since departing from Olympic who I have the upmost respect for as a bookmaker.
End of rant. Fire away.
If anyone wants me to go into further deatil, I am easily accessible thru my email. Its a shame it had to come to this, but I cant stomach the lies anymore.
You guys wonder..........almly.........why I was so aggravated when my integrity was called into question............well there you have it. GIL/KO mr past post oddmaker that pretends he is not on my side of the counter is fulla ****. He is, but 2 much of a puss to admit it. Try telling the truth for once. Its a shame that you are such a degenerate hustler that I had to face you out in this thread. STOP EMAILING ME, Skype callin me, sending me emails as Kev Diesel, KenNotty, KenMcCkusker and whatever other emails you go by and do your own work.
Who cares who makes the 1st line? Who cares who's the best. Try being honest for a change. I can pull up a 100 therads where you gave out 2 sides of a fight and or 'hedged.' I have talked with my freind VAl 1000x ateaming over some of the stunts you pulled. you make us all look bad. This is brutal.
Not was obligated to reposnd, but since we have spoken on phone and you were koool, I will tell you my reasoningbut this is the answer to ALMYS QUESTION. The Moorer line was not up for a few reasons. 1, neither guy is making big money for the bout, 2. his weight is definitely a factor.what good is volume if you are writing it on the wrong side 3. I do this work myself and its not ez for me as it may be for some other people. I try and get as much info as I can so as to not expose my credit guys and the people I do work for with a bad number.
Spincter, I have always respected you and found you to be one of teh sharper guys on the board, so no disrepect intended towards u in this thread, along with hardcore and almy.
Like I stated earlier, It pisses me off to no end that a guy boldly lies and decieves the forum members. I felt him outa years ago,,,,,,,,,,,,,Gil.........suggesting to give nbad info, and sure enough he started doing it to no end. I have not edited or cahnged my posts at MW so feel free to dig up anything you can on me. I do my work, and tell the truth. I'm sure if I didnt, I wouldnt be around in CR too long. Its a shame you represent teh books in such shitty fashion. Thats why I do not publicly acknowledge who I work with since departing from Olympic who I have the upmost respect for as a bookmaker.
End of rant. Fire away.
If anyone wants me to go into further deatil, I am easily accessible thru my email. Its a shame it had to come to this, but I cant stomach the lies anymore.
my email is Derekduz25@hotmail.com. Im really surprised people got this mad about something like this. Personally I do very well with boxing picks lately, but I highly doubt that Joey, or anyone else with boxing knowledge will let 1 persons thoughts ona fight change their mind. I have spoken to him before, and I can say he knows the sport better than I do, so why would he listen anyways?
If someone posts their thoughts early, thats their opinion. I dont usaully do it, but Im pretty sure that Jirov would be the fav before i put that up. If I said I liked Moorer, I bet the line would be the same
If someone posts their thoughts early, thats their opinion. I dont usaully do it, but Im pretty sure that Jirov would be the fav before i put that up. If I said I liked Moorer, I bet the line would be the same
Jesus whats going on ?
@ sphincter
This we agree on almost every fight we can disagree on bookies in general.
I dont see myself betting against books, if i would bet soley against odessa i wouldnt bet at all. I bet against other bettors, for example against almy when he bets the over 7 1/2 i am on the other side. I want the books to win regulary because i want them to pay me. i see the bookies professional deal makers between bettors.
I dont post about fights before i make my bets because i dont want others to move the line not because i believe the bookies make their line to my suggestions.
But what i find so funny is the quality of the comment" I like Jirov".
I mean who doesnt like Jirov over Moore ?
If it was a analysis with some info which is not available to anybody but inside info than you may have a point, but i can not recall one case on this forum with inside info.
I really appreciate the posts of odessa. First because he knows alot about fighting (unfortunately he is not posting much on fights) and he simple knows a lot of things which i have absolutley no clue about (volumes on fights, big bettors ratio vs small players, late money, when do books lose when do they win).
All in all Sphinter has summed it up beautifully :
"a bunch of degenerate gamblers getting hyped up over nothing......"
still a pretty funny read though
@ almy
I said it before and i say it again the over is a stupid bet. Two heavys who can punch one with a nearly none existing defense and the i am invincible feeling because he knocked out Tyson and the other a hard puncher who has gone the distance once. Its true he took his time in some bouts but the other fighters were fighting very defensively, Vitali is pretty good when fighters attack him( Hide Lewis) but he got that nasty cut.
At minus money thats not worth it, the under is no great bet neither but at least its + money.
@ sphincter
This we agree on almost every fight we can disagree on bookies in general.
I dont see myself betting against books, if i would bet soley against odessa i wouldnt bet at all. I bet against other bettors, for example against almy when he bets the over 7 1/2 i am on the other side. I want the books to win regulary because i want them to pay me. i see the bookies professional deal makers between bettors.
I dont post about fights before i make my bets because i dont want others to move the line not because i believe the bookies make their line to my suggestions.
But what i find so funny is the quality of the comment" I like Jirov".
I mean who doesnt like Jirov over Moore ?
If it was a analysis with some info which is not available to anybody but inside info than you may have a point, but i can not recall one case on this forum with inside info.
I really appreciate the posts of odessa. First because he knows alot about fighting (unfortunately he is not posting much on fights) and he simple knows a lot of things which i have absolutley no clue about (volumes on fights, big bettors ratio vs small players, late money, when do books lose when do they win).
All in all Sphinter has summed it up beautifully :
"a bunch of degenerate gamblers getting hyped up over nothing......"
still a pretty funny read though
@ almy
I said it before and i say it again the over is a stupid bet. Two heavys who can punch one with a nearly none existing defense and the i am invincible feeling because he knocked out Tyson and the other a hard puncher who has gone the distance once. Its true he took his time in some bouts but the other fighters were fighting very defensively, Vitali is pretty good when fighters attack him( Hide Lewis) but he got that nasty cut.
At minus money thats not worth it, the under is no great bet neither but at least its + money.
look...i`m sorry for broaching the subject of discussing fights before they`re lined.....i hope hardcore took my comment in the right context...i consider him a friend(as far as internet friends go)...i`m not here or at madjacks(as gardenweasel) to make enemies...
joey,i`m glad i didn`t offend you....i didn`t intend to..or val.....i just say what i mean.....sometimes i lack a little tact...i`m not as bad as almly,in that respect(lol),but sometimes i get ahead of myself....
this started out as a comment that maybe i shouldn`t have made...it was none of my business what hardcore discusses....and when he discusses it...
in a show of sheer and utter brilliance,hardcore stayed out of this chinese fire drill of a thread.......good man...
i`m in the dark on the "gil" issue....and i hope to keep it that way....
thank god there`s no type "a" personalities on the board(lol)....
.....but,it sounds like this board is a utopia compared to some of the others... ..
joey,i`m glad i didn`t offend you....i didn`t intend to..or val.....i just say what i mean.....sometimes i lack a little tact...i`m not as bad as almly,in that respect(lol),but sometimes i get ahead of myself....
this started out as a comment that maybe i shouldn`t have made...it was none of my business what hardcore discusses....and when he discusses it...
in a show of sheer and utter brilliance,hardcore stayed out of this chinese fire drill of a thread.......good man...
i`m in the dark on the "gil" issue....and i hope to keep it that way....
thank god there`s no type "a" personalities on the board(lol)....
.....but,it sounds like this board is a utopia compared to some of the others... ..
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Hey, thought you weren't going to post here anymore? that didn't last long.J/Oddessa said:
I've posted plays for Skybook, Pincacle, Bet365, Intertops and a few others. Everytime I come across a new book that I like... i'm a shill. No way!!!
Chill... i never said anything bad to you... don't take your anger out on me.
....
Also, I have seen Gill plug Skybook at the following forums...
Boxingtalk
Maxboxing
Majorwager
RX
His posting style is very easy to know. The guy DEFINANTELY has an associatation with them. He will say something like " I took the GUIN-LYAKOVICH under 9.5 rounds at Skybook.com at +210". Yet there are other places with +230. He always makes sure to put the link on the bottom of his post as well. It's a cheap tactic to try to get new people there.
:finger: Gil
Also, I have seen Gill plug Skybook at the following forums...
Boxingtalk
Maxboxing
Majorwager
RX
His posting style is very easy to know. The guy DEFINANTELY has an associatation with them. He will say something like " I took the GUIN-LYAKOVICH under 9.5 rounds at Skybook.com at +210". Yet there are other places with +230. He always makes sure to put the link on the bottom of his post as well. It's a cheap tactic to try to get new people there.
:finger: Gil
