You go ahead and have your close relationship with God, while I have booth feet on the ground and have adult relationships with real people. Blue did you turn to god because of a breakdown or did you do something terrible you wanted forgiveness for and and only a make believe non human would do that for you. Be honest your god would like that. The point is the same great things that happen to you that you think are because of God happen to everyone. Unless of course you can name something differnent but of course you can't. So why believe in god when satan worshippers get the same ride your getting. Your man doesn't appear to be cutting you any extras the rest of us aren't getting.
blue you kill me "if evolution is true, why are there still apes? why didn't they all evolve into man?'
The same reason every piece of coal is not a diamond. Come on when did you stop thinking for yourself. If your going to let a book lead you by the nose make it penthouse forum or something a little exciting. At least those stories really happened unlike yours.
The same reason every piece of coal is not a diamond. Come on when did you stop thinking for yourself. If your going to let a book lead you by the nose make it penthouse forum or something a little exciting. At least those stories really happened unlike yours.
Well, isn't that special...
I think it's time for a visit from the Church Lady while the "know-it-alls" hash out their sanctimonious theories.
Or better yet, how about a few words from Father Guido Sarducci? Like, for example, his quotes about the Bible and religion:
"The Last Supper was really more of a bruch." or
"The only thing you need to remember about religion is that a-God-is-a-everywhere!!!
I think it's time for a visit from the Church Lady while the "know-it-alls" hash out their sanctimonious theories.
Or better yet, how about a few words from Father Guido Sarducci? Like, for example, his quotes about the Bible and religion:
"The Last Supper was really more of a bruch." or
"The only thing you need to remember about religion is that a-God-is-a-everywhere!!!
http://www.holysmoke.org/refute.htm
Guys, your unwavering faith is illogical, and even a bit frightening.
Guys, your unwavering faith is illogical, and even a bit frightening.
I am absolutely positively not getting involved in this, and still wish that a moderator would move it to the RR or Outhouse, either of which are more appropriate venues for this non-Politics, Government and World Events topic.
But I thought I'd pop this out -- an old early political cartoon, from The Hornet in 1871, ridiculing Darwin:
Thought it was funny, especially given it's age.
Also, chonce -- I'm a big fan of Vonnegut's as well. If you have not read some of his other works, you might check out Jailbird (my personal favourite), God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater; Hocus Pocus (interesting later work) and Deadeye Dick. Each are great reads, and from different stops along Vonnegut's literary evolution.
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But I thought I'd pop this out -- an old early political cartoon, from The Hornet in 1871, ridiculing Darwin:
Thought it was funny, especially given it's age.
Also, chonce -- I'm a big fan of Vonnegut's as well. If you have not read some of his other works, you might check out Jailbird (my personal favourite), God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater; Hocus Pocus (interesting later work) and Deadeye Dick. Each are great reads, and from different stops along Vonnegut's literary evolution.
Phaedrus
The process by which the Bible was created is one of the greatest mysteries of the ages. The Bible contains 66 books, written by 44 inspired men, using 3 languages-- Hebrew, Aramic, and Greek-- over a period of 16 centuries.. No other book in history was ever written over an extended period of time. Thirty-five centuries ago Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Law, beginning with Genisis, which describes the creation of the Universe, including mankind.. over the next 1000yrs -- 34 books were written by a diverse group of men as they were inspired by God to record a series of histories, laws, poetry, and prophecy.. Finally a great man of God, Ezra rose to unite the jews into a renewed nation, followinr their return from seventy years of captiviy in Babylon.. In addition Ezra was inspired to collect together all of the 39 inspired books and to publish this as one collection called the Scriptures.. Finally at the end of the 1st century of the Christian era, the apostle John completed his astonishing prophecy, called the Revelation, which completed the canonof the New Testament. The Bible was written by men from widely different backgrounds including kings, shepherds, prophets, tax collectors, and fishermen.. Some were highly educated such as Luke the Physician and the brilliant teacher Paul. Other books were written by uneducated men, including the shepherd Amos and Peter, a fisherman. Despite the radically different backgrounds of the writers who composed the message of the Bible over a period of 1600yrs, the Scriptures speak with one voice in its presentation of God's progressive revelation of His plan to redeem us from the consequences of our sinful rebellion. There is no question that the Bible is the oldest book written. It is truly marvelous that this writing is read by hundreds of millions of people everyday.it is also the most published book in the world with billions of copies in print, hundreds of millions of new bibles are also purchased throughout the world each year..the most brilliant men throughout history have acknowledged that this is the greatest literary peice ever written. Lastly the survival of the bible in the face of persecution and censorship over thousands of years is inexplicable unless God preserved this book as his inspired Gospel of Salvation throught the precious blood of Jesus Christ. The powerful, life changing spiritual impact of the bible on the lives of billions of readers is unprecedented in history..
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One solitary life can make a difference: He was born in an obscure village, the child of a peasant woman. Until the age of 30, He worked in a carpenter shop and then for 3 yrs He was an itinerant preacher. He wrote no books. He held no office. He never travelled over 200 miles from the place of his birth. he never did any of the things that usually accompany greatness. The authorities condemned His teachings. his friends deserted Him. One betrayed Him to his enemies for a paltry sum. One denied Him. He went through the mockery of a trial. He was nailed to a cross between two thieves. While he was dying, His executioners gambled for the only piece of property that He owned on earth: His coat. When He died He was taken down and laid in a borrowed grave..................... Nineteen centuries have come and gone, yet today He is the crowning Glory of the human race, the adored leader of hundreds of millions on the earth.All the armies that ever marched and all the navies that were ever built and all the governments that have ever ruled or reigned--- put together-- have not affected the life of man upon this earth so profoundly as the One Solitary Life.. ----- thank you Jesus, I Love You..
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"blue you kill me "if evolution is true, why are there still apes? why didn't they all evolve into man?'"
Holy cow! I didn't realize anybody here had refuted evolution!
I mean come on. Aside from Darwin, science, and I think even the Catholic church has gone neutral on it's evolution stance, let's make it simple. Anybody can look at a dog and a wolf and see they're related, the same is true of a cat and a tiger, horse, donkey and zebra, a lizard and a croc, etc. Yet you can't see the same relation between a simian and a human, that's just typical, human, self-important arogance and denial.
Holy cow! I didn't realize anybody here had refuted evolution!
I mean come on. Aside from Darwin, science, and I think even the Catholic church has gone neutral on it's evolution stance, let's make it simple. Anybody can look at a dog and a wolf and see they're related, the same is true of a cat and a tiger, horse, donkey and zebra, a lizard and a croc, etc. Yet you can't see the same relation between a simian and a human, that's just typical, human, self-important arogance and denial.
first off, where the catholic church stands on any issue means nothing to me.
secondly, whenever talking about evolution, it is important to distinguish between micro-evolution and macro-evolution. i believe in micro-evolution, that is the change and adaptation within a species. it has been demonstrated that changes occur within a species over time. i have a huge problem with macro-evolution, that is one species "evolving" into another.
you wanna talk about the changes in a specific fish or bird species over time, i'll buy it. but, you wanna tell me that a fish turned into a bird (i don't care how long ago) or that an ape turned into a man...there's just no evidence to support that (even though its taught as fact in every public school and university).
secondly, whenever talking about evolution, it is important to distinguish between micro-evolution and macro-evolution. i believe in micro-evolution, that is the change and adaptation within a species. it has been demonstrated that changes occur within a species over time. i have a huge problem with macro-evolution, that is one species "evolving" into another.
you wanna talk about the changes in a specific fish or bird species over time, i'll buy it. but, you wanna tell me that a fish turned into a bird (i don't care how long ago) or that an ape turned into a man...there's just no evidence to support that (even though its taught as fact in every public school and university).
Blue
Two questions...
First do you agree or disagree that a dog and a wolf are related?
Two do you agree or disagree that a simian and a human are related?
BTW while supposedly birds are related to reptiles creating the tie between fish and birds, for the layman, fish to bird is a much much bigger stretch than ape to man, just based on the resemblance.
Two questions...
First do you agree or disagree that a dog and a wolf are related?
Two do you agree or disagree that a simian and a human are related?
BTW while supposedly birds are related to reptiles creating the tie between fish and birds, for the layman, fish to bird is a much much bigger stretch than ape to man, just based on the resemblance.
if by "related to" you mean evolved into, then no. i am not an expert in biology. it may be possible that the dog and wolf have enough genetic similarities that they are "related". but, i will stand by my point that the apes (simians, primates, whatever) did not evolve into man. there is no evidence of that. there is no "missing link". people observe similarities between two species and say, they must be related...they must have evolved.
much of the theory of evolution is based on gene mutation. since the theory states that life started very simply and got more complex over hundreds of millions of years, you would assume that these mutuations were positive (e.g. taking the lifeform from a less advanced to a more advanced level). how many gene mutuations that occur today in human beings are positive and how many are negative?
i see many more babies born with birth defects and diseases caused by mutuations than i do super-human babies being born smarter and stronger than normal.
also, in the history of science, countless species of animals have been extinct. has science recorded even one new species "evolving" in that time?
much of the theory of evolution is based on gene mutation. since the theory states that life started very simply and got more complex over hundreds of millions of years, you would assume that these mutuations were positive (e.g. taking the lifeform from a less advanced to a more advanced level). how many gene mutuations that occur today in human beings are positive and how many are negative?
i see many more babies born with birth defects and diseases caused by mutuations than i do super-human babies being born smarter and stronger than normal.
also, in the history of science, countless species of animals have been extinct. has science recorded even one new species "evolving" in that time?
The bible is a super money maker for the people that publish it.
If it is totaly true or part true, it does not effect me one way or another.I still have to work a honest job and pay or collect from my bookie and listen to my wifes sh*t.I still have to pay social security,city tax,state tax,and federal tax.
If it is totaly true or part true, it does not effect me one way or another.I still have to work a honest job and pay or collect from my bookie and listen to my wifes sh*t.I still have to pay social security,city tax,state tax,and federal tax.
km, its not a touchy issue but it is one that i feel strongly about and one that i feel i am fairly informed on. you are right, there is not 100% proof for creation or evolution. if evolution is true, it is happening so slowly, it can't be measured. if creation is true, it already happened and no one was created to witness it.
in my view, the thing to do is to look at the evidence and see which idea is better supported. i have done the research and made my decision.
good luck to all.
in my view, the thing to do is to look at the evidence and see which idea is better supported. i have done the research and made my decision.
good luck to all.
and one day, you must die.. if im wrong, then so what -- nothing will matter.... but if your wrong.. i think that you can answer that,, you should check into what some very highly educated men have to say about this,,, there are many Christian scientists.. the head of NASA is a Christian,,, most say they go back so far, and then realize that evoulition just could not have happened.. good luck on whatever you decide,, and by the way, i know someone that doesnt have the answer but is the answer.. take care..
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SSI,
Lets pretend for a second that you have a [oint. (though it is absurd to believe in god just in case, which is just ghow you tried to seLL IT).
You say if we (the athiests) are wrong then...we know what. No I dont! What? Will i rot eternally in a pit of fire? Forever, and ever? You really believe that? I suppose your all loving and all knowing god, could balme himself for "creating" my brain, which has the capicity for independent and rational thought.
If youre wrong---then so what---nothing will matter?
Well, SSI, what if we are both wrong? What if you were worshipping the wrong god? What if the buddhists are right? The muslims? etc.....
THis isnt black and white. Even if there is a god, most of the world would end up bieng wrong about who it is?
Your post is absurd.
Lets pretend for a second that you have a [oint. (though it is absurd to believe in god just in case, which is just ghow you tried to seLL IT).
You say if we (the athiests) are wrong then...we know what. No I dont! What? Will i rot eternally in a pit of fire? Forever, and ever? You really believe that? I suppose your all loving and all knowing god, could balme himself for "creating" my brain, which has the capicity for independent and rational thought.
If youre wrong---then so what---nothing will matter?
Well, SSI, what if we are both wrong? What if you were worshipping the wrong god? What if the buddhists are right? The muslims? etc.....
THis isnt black and white. Even if there is a god, most of the world would end up bieng wrong about who it is?
Your post is absurd.
