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Breaking Bad Snob
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I'm thinking about buying FAS in the morning and then selling it Thursday EOD and buying FAZ.

Thoughts, q?
 

Breaking Bad Snob
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Or not. I'm talking myself out of it.

All I know is that I want to be in FAZ for the Friday opening.
 

Breaking Bad Snob
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Every move I make is wrong...

Now I'm an SRS and a FAZ bagholder.
 

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All of these short ETF's are being destroyed. This market may head south at some point, but these funds may be trading in single digits by the time that this happens. Took a position with SDS today, will unload the minute that 858 on S&P is taken out, hopefully we will not reach this point. FAZ is looking dead in the water.
 

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unfortunately many times they do things that are not expected, just to take out smaller traders (like all of us)...
 

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I think the financials are about to take a huge dump sometime soon but the problem is SKF and FAZ are going to take a beating up until that day when all hell breaks loose once again... Then FAZ and SKF will shoot way up. The problem is, how low will they be once that point comes? This is a giant crapshoot.

Im thinking of teetering back and forth in a out of FAZ and try to play it right. Once the doom and gloom hits and the financials bottom out again I'm putting the house on FAS and UYG (the anti-SKF)
 

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well timing isnt too bad in regular stocks... i tend to buy a position in increments and if im sold on a company i will buy it on the way down and lower my initial position average...

the problem with these triple leveraged monsters is that you're down 25% before you know it and are getting slaughtered.
 

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timing is a big part of what i trade...

cost averaging down in the futures market, will get you killed quickly..

SSI
 

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Don't worry DEAC, if you are still holding the bag you will probably be smiling soon. I picked up 250 shares this morning @ $33, set a trailing stop that took me out at $34.70. Looking for another entry tomorrow morning. The winds are about to change. If you want to talk about being someones bitch, look no further than mwuay.......currently holding the bag on 950 shares of FAZ with a PPS of $26. SRS has not decayed nearly as much as FAZ, you will get it back, and then some.


I put a stop under SRS. I am ready to take my substantial loss just to get the hell out of it.

A trader I follow on Twitter calculated that SRS would need 7 consecutive days of triple digit losses just to get back to $50. Any waver to the positive sets it back substantially. It would take an apocalyptic event for me just to break even.

He is currently shorting all 3x ETNs, which is about as low risk a play as you can get because a trend toward zero is designed in. Per the prospectus, Direxion reserves the right to do a reverse spilt at anytime the note is under $10. It's just a matter of time. I'll never buy another double or triple again. This has been a valuable, albeit costly, lessen.

I thought I understood the decay, but I really didn't.
 

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I am with you, bought some SRS late yesterday and will be keeping on a very short leash this morning. Some pretty grim news has been rolling out this morning, like GGP (nations 2nd largest mall operator) has filed for bankruptcy. The only question is whether or not the market will respond with "bankruptcy, smankruptcy, BUY, BUY, BUY". Market seems impervious to bad news. Also, will the Fed now extend bailouts/TALF to CRE in order to keep the rally going.
 

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I'm about ready to dump my FAZ too and then getting back in after Citi reports on Friday if the reports are bad. Only problem is that FAZ is going higher early.

DEAC, your SRS is climbing early too.
 

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If there were ever a time to "sell the news", now would be it. SRS and FAZ are on the move.
 

Oh boy!
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Mall giant General Growth files for bk protection. SRS continues to go down. How is that not manipulation?
 

Oh boy!
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Sold 2000 shares FAZ @ 9.65.

All I have is my DGP shares.

Looking for another entry for FAZ.
 

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