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[DarrylParsons]

the problem with china and india is just overpopulation

too many people too few resources

and the poor ones keep cranking out kids left and right

as for decline in whites reason is just on a world scale the more affluent/intelligent see how fucked up the world at large is and have reservations about bringing new ones into this fucked up world (i'm one of um)

a big problem with the world at large today is the smart well off ones that would raise better citizens having less kids....while the ones that are poor and have hardly anything keep cranking out more and more kids

That's been my number one angle all along Tizzy. While you're studying your charts, I'm looking at the demographic phenomenon you're describing and getting to the same conclusion.

I used to be where you are regarding the issue of having kids. Then I expanded the time horizon even more and became optimistic that there will be a brave new world order after the apocalypse. Even if it doesn't happen in our lifetimes, just progressing in that direction should be enough if the kids will continue down the same path (which they should if it represents the truth).

 

[tiznow]

when you go down the rabbit hole to its depths you will find one conclusion:

humans dont deserve to live.

i agree

nor do i think i'm "more evolved"

 

[tiznow]

That's been my number one angle all along Tizzy. While you're studying your charts, I'm looking at the demographic phenomenon you're describing and getting to the same conclusion.

I used to be where you are regarding the issue of having kids. Then I expanded the time horizon even more and became optimistic that there will be a brave new world order after the apocalypse. Even if it doesn't happen in our lifetimes, just progressing in that direction should be enough if the kids will continue down the same path (which they should if it represents the truth).

yeah somewhere around my late 20s my nihilstic feelings hit a peak slowly coming around regardless if i see it as pointless/and potentially somewhat cruel at its roots

kids i see as a somewhat selfish undertaking in my fucked up way of thinking

gives you life purpose when there is none

who knows tizgloom evolving his thoughts as life goes on

 

[tiznow]

also romo the issue isn't just the nihilism either

many affluent family's take a more conservative approach to kids

they balance risk/reward of it all.....can i raise 2 kids? do i have the resources to do so.....big families tend to be alot of drama and alot of hard work.....can we as a family balance both parents working and still raise good kids.....they take all this shit into consideration....there is thought put into it.....planning birth control and condoms for preventative measures if they don't want to have kids at that time or ever.......i know a guy that got a vascetimy after he had 2 kids.....wanted to make sure another one didn't come......

while you have people in india hardly putting enough food on the table cranking on kids like mad cause they feel they need a purpose in life....and aren't taking preventative measures as well

 

[DarrylParsons]

Heh having kids being selfish ... don't recall hearing that one before but I can see how you mean it.

I wouldn't get too concerned with selfishness since part of the human condition is to be 100% and completely selfish, even if some like to pretend otherwise.

A lot of acts motivated by selfishness can lead to mutually beneficial situations. Thus is the nature of human interaction IMO and is no different on the issue of raisng kids.

 

[Romanowski]

of course.

you made it extreme and as though no kids at all was the intelligent thing to do though

 

[tiznow]

its not intelligent or anything

just your own personal choice

if you want to crank out 10 kids when you can't barely feed yourself go for it i guess that's the free will of the human condition

but your a moron and being selfish and likely bringing a painful sorrow filled life to those you bringing into the world IMO

 

[Romanowski]

another extreme

who said anything about 10 kids

 

[tiznow]

of course tizgloom goes to extreme's to state his points

you should know that by now LOL

you understand my point though don't ya?

if you can barely take care of yourself you shouldn't be having kids is my point while on a global scale just the opposite is happening

less kids from those that can/have the resources to raise a kid who will likely have a pretty decent life vs. more kids from those that will have a hard time raising a kid and their kids will likely have a crappy life

 

[Dawoofdaddy]

parsons, lot of problems with those homogenous countries with the white population dying off because the white women dont have babies. i think any homogenous society, be it black white, green, martian whatever will die out without including other groups of people in it.

This dying off phenomenon you posted about here in the United States has been caused by women becoming liberated and many of them delaying things like marriage and having children.

Once married, they are involved with careers, so having kids becomes less important.

Even if not career women, most married women have to work to support the household.

Another factor is white people are forced to pay more for housing unless they want to live around large numbers of non-whites. Thats mostly a problem with living in areas with large black/hispanic populations as the other non-whites in the US live well themselves.

If you hear people talking about moving to "nicer" areas, what they mean is they dont want to directly live among large # of blacks and hispanics. They have many pc code words for this...."better schools", "less crime", "nicer neighborhoods", etc.

 

[gtc08]

This dying off phenomenon you posted about here in the United States has been caused by women becoming liberated and many of them delaying things like marriage and having children.

Once married, they are involved with careers, so having kids becomes less important.

Even if not career women, most married women have to work to support the household.

Another factor is white people are forced to pay more for housing unless they want to live around large numbers of non-whites. Thats mostly a problem with living in areas with large black/hispanic populations as the other non-whites in the US live well themselves.

If you hear people talking about moving to "nicer" areas, what they mean is they dont want to directly live among large # of blacks and hispanics. They have many pc code words for this...."better schools", "less crime", "nicer neighborhoods", etc.

these whites though can run from crime in the twin cities and run south into my area, a large 90-95 percent white city, rated 26th out of the top 100 places to live in recently, and im telling you crime just isnt going to magically dissapear. vandalism, theft, drugs, assault, arson, is all out here.

only difference between the two areas, inner and burbs is in the inner cities its the minorities doing coke and committing more notable crimes. in the burbs its the white people doing meth and stealing and vandalizing property.

 

[gtc08]

another different method to the criminal madness, at least in my area is the inner cities people being more up front about at least stealing your shit.

in the cities they will flat steal your shit with you in it in plain daylight. in my suburban little "paradise", they stole my shit behind my back.

behind your back or doing it right in front of you, at the end of the day its a crime regardless.

 

[Dawoofdaddy]

I've said to Eek many times what you are saying here, ie. that socialism requires a homogenous society to work. I still disagree with socialism, though, because it rewards laziness and punishes hard work and creativity. The better specimens of a society should be propped up, not held back IMO.

Yes I think such a thing like a homogenous sovereign Montana would be a wonderful idea.

I agree with this post.

I also think that in a homogenous society, citizens are more likely to have less animosity regarding social safety nets in place for citizens.

I've heard my entire life white people bitching and moaning about people not working and receiving welfare. During the rant, blacks are mentioned along with a few slurs. We all know there are plenty of white people also on welfare, so why isnt that mentioned?

Since this thread is about Detroit, believe it or not, a decent % of black people still support mayor Kilpatrick, even though he appears to be dishonest. Would the same % of black residents support a white version of Kilpatrick? Nope.

So, it seems to me that some blacks are ok with corruption if its a black person holding the power.

Montana sounds great, but for defense purposes I dont like the idea of being a landlocked nation.

We should strive to have Montana, Idaho, Washington, Wyoming, and since many brothas arent going to live in Alaska, maybe we can eventually purchase Alaska.

 

[punter]

A homogeneous society makes public transportation work better.

 

[go2guy]

No black friends, but one friend with roots from India. He's very race conscious as well and would only consider a Hindu woman for a wife.

My wife has a Hispanic orthodontist who loves discussing Ron Paul with me because he digs the guy.

We have an occasional babysitter who is black Hispanic -- a cute 18 year-old girl with whom it's very easy to discuss racial issues with no animosity whatsoever.

I don't go out of my way to avoid minorities but if I see someone throw out an entire McDonald's bag onto the street from a car window in front of me, I'll say to my wife and kids something like "guranteed that's a black" then we'd drive up beside them, give them a sneer which they may take as racially motivated, and take note of the fact that I was right and learn a lesson accordingly. (ie. that certain behaviors are indeed correlated with skin color).

The biggest litterers I see are whites moreso than blacks hell look at the planet LOL but to each his own. It's your observation so you probably overlook when Joe SixPack chucks a beer can or cigarette from his vehicle because you're not looking for that. I read your response and I appreciate you're candor. I think your hopes are unrealistic especially without violence being a key part of the solution but hell I served this country so you could have your beliefs and right to believe and so did millions of others poss. including yourself. Speaking of serving? Who would fight or serve in your white utopia military? I find it interesting that minorities serve in larger percentage ratio (in the armed forces) than whites even during the segregration era of the 20th century but a majority of whites are unwilling to do the same. How would that change in your desired society? Would the lower class whites who do the menial work like work at the grocery store, construction, cutting lawns, working at McDonalds, working in the factories &etc. (I'm assuming because we know in your society Mr. Wallstreet isn't doing menial work) also be pegged to serve in the military? The more I think about it, whites need minorities more than minorities need whites.

BTW did you ever see White Man's Burden? What did you think of the movie? Great movie in case you haven't seen it.

 

[Dawoofdaddy]

Speaking of serving? Who would fight or serve in your white utopia military? I find it interesting that minorities serve in larger percentage ratio (in the armed forces) than whites even during the segregration era of the 20th century but a majority of whites are unwilling to do the same.

First of all. Ive been out of the military for about 15 years now, and Im sure what has changed the most (along with the rest of the US) since then is the # of hispanics serving. They have more or less taken the place of what many blacks used to do in the military.

Also, whites are still the overwhelming majority among the ranks of the military units doing the actual combat. Blacks in large # arent serving in the military units doing the actual fighting...they are more likely to be serving in support units.

Also, as DP mentioned to you yesterday, the whites you are posting about that are unwilling to serve, probably wont be included in what DP posts about or as you have named a white utopia. Blue-bloods, rich kids, and other wealthy whites benefit too greatly from the current system.

G2G, what are your thoughts about posts #102 and #106 from page 5 of this thread?

fwiw, I did toss two cans from my car before leaving detroit yesterday, but the reason was that I wanted someone to get the 10c deposit...we dont have that in Ohio.

 

[go2guy]

I agree with this post.

I also think that in a homogenous society, citizens are more likely to have less animosity regarding social safety nets in place for citizens.

I've heard my entire life white people bitching and moaning about people not working and receiving welfare. During the rant, blacks are mentioned along with a few slurs. We all know there are plenty of white people also on welfare, so why isnt that mentioned?

Since this thread is about Detroit, believe it or not, a decent % of black people still support mayor Kilpatrick, even though he appears to be dishonest. Would the same % of black residents support a white version of Kilpatrick? Nope.

So, it seems to me that some blacks are ok with corruption if its a black person holding the power.

Montana sounds great, but for defense purposes I dont like the idea of being a landlocked nation.

We should strive to have Montana, Idaho, Washington, Wyoming, and since many brothas arent going to live in Alaska, maybe we can eventually purchase Alaska.

Hell, I'll chip in LOL
But seriously, do you really think whites can co-exist without minorities and the contributions they bring not all of them good by the way but whites still benefit. Can you imagine if Lincoln's ass succeeded sending the Africans back to their homeland after the White Civil War? America would not be what it is today and I don't mean that in a good way too.

The white man since the beginning of civilization has strived and lived off of manipulation and exploitation of non-whites. From the first developed civilization in Egypt to the present time with the Hispanics in this country, this is the only thing the white man has excelled at when you look through history. Cohesiveness, whether we like it or not, is what make this world go round. If anything, it would be nice if everyone left America and gave it back to the Native America (I am of Native American heritage but only a fraction and I would still say this regardless) instead of giving them casinos like that makes things right.

 

[go2guy]

First of all. Ive been out of the military for about 15 years now, and Im sure what has changed the most (along with the rest of the US) since then is the # of hispanics serving. They have more or less taken the place of what many blacks used to do in the military.

Also, whites are still the overwhelming majority among the ranks of the military units doing the actual combat. Blacks in large # arent serving in the military units doing the actual fighting...they are more likely to be serving in support units.

Also, as DP mentioned to you yesterday, the whites you are posting about that are unwilling to serve, probably wont be included in what DP posts about or as you have named a white utopia. Blue-bloods, rich kids, and other wealthy whites benefit too greatly from the current system.

G2G, what are your thoughts about posts #102 and #106 from page 5 of this thread?

fwiw, I did toss two cans from my car before leaving detroit yesterday, but the reason was that I wanted someone to get the 10c deposit...we dont have that in Ohio.

Wouldn't include blue bloods and etc. LOL I'm in tears here didn't you guys try that before and weren't successful . Rich whites and the type would never let you co-exist like this even though most minorities would welcome the idea to let like minded trailer park trash and "non-rich" whites have their utopia. I think it would eliminate a great deal of hate in our society and get rid of buffons like Jesse Jackson.


By ratio Woof. Come on I know you've heard of the figures before. Blacks 12% of the population but make up 33% of the military and etc. Nothing wrong with that kind of affirmative action right? but everybody regardless of their color has their reason to join. White recruiters do specifically target minorities to join and do the countries dirty work because John W. Huffington III sure isn't going to let his son join besides they have old money and the ******$ and spic$ to do it for them. What I find comically is white people try to ignore that stuff like this happens but for me I don't dwell on it. I have a life to live but know what the score is. I'll be back to comment later on other points. Working on my dissertation (while on vacation hno although this is an interesting discussion.

 

[Dawoofdaddy]

Hell, I'll chip in LOL
But seriously, do you really think whites can co-exist without minorities and the contributions they bring not all of them good by the way but whites still benefit. Can you imagine if Lincoln's ass succeeded sending the Africans back to their homeland after the White Civil War? America would not be what it is today and I don't mean that in a good way too.

The white man since the beginning of civilization has strived and lived off of manipulation and exploitation of non-whites. From the first developed civilization in Egypt to the present time with the Hispanics in this country, this is the only thing the white man has excelled at when you look through history. Cohesiveness, whether we like it or not, is what make this world go round. If anything, it would be nice if everyone left America and gave it back to the Native America (I am of Native American heritage but only a fraction and I would still say this regardless) instead of giving them casinos like that makes things right.

Again, I think you are incorrectly lumping all white people together. Co-exist? I think nowadays you have it reversed.

I thought that was you standing on McNicolls and Woodward selling The Final Call newspapers. I knew I should have stopped and said hello. You are reppin farrakhan and nation of islam well with the above post.

Well, how about you rep NOI and get your folks that moved up to Rochester Hills with the white people back down to Highland Park and show the black people there how to sweep the trash away from the street drains so the streets dont flood like they did yesterday during the rain.

:lolBIG:

 

[go2guy]

A homogeneous society makes public transportation work better.

Yeah in Metro Detroit, the whites didn't want the public buses running out to their pristine communities to keep the "undesirables" out LOL. Maybe they should have a white line and a other line. ope: You guys crack me up!!!