Well man, you're comparing the guy to Rodgers and once the guy got Harbaugh and a good team around him, he started to produce. I'm not saying he's in Rodgers' league but his situation in SF when he started also played a role no?
I mean, you said he couldn't throw the ball down field, then I told you he was 60% last year while targeting at more than 15 yards. Why didn't you respond to that stat? You aren't giving him enough credit. He's not terrible.
It was over 7 games and most of his success was vs bad teams that SF just dominated.
I think you'll probably see in the next year or two how good of an NFL QB he is, avg at best. I never said he was terrible but if i were KC I would've drafted a young QB rather than get another one that is limited in terms of physical tools, especially when their last QB (Cassel) had the same issues. You would think they would've learned, especially since with the new rookie scale drafting a QB isn't as much of a commitment anymore.
You think he'll be solid this year? KC went 2-14 last year so I'm sure they will improve a ton based on basic regression but I don't see Smith having a good year really...
7 games? You missed him getting to the NFC Title game the year before?
He goes to a 2-14 team and if he doesn't do well, he's shitty? I don't think that's real fair to the guy. I mean, there's a reason they were 2-14 last year.
He's definitely an upgrade from what they had last year.
Are you really comparing Smith to Cassel?
I was just citing his #s from last year as you were, it was over 7 games with his good games being vs bad teams in blowouts. SF with an elite running game, 2 legitimate weapons in Davis/Crabtree and the best D in the NFL he got to the NFC title game. I'm not saying he sucks but there is a reason no teams wanted him in FA after that. He is avg at best...
Nah cassel is worse but they're a similar type of QB so it did surprise me KC went and got him but I guess they wanted to try to win now. JustinCRuise would be an upgrade over what they had last year but I don't think Smith is more than a decent game manager at best and that will probably be shown soon.
I'm not really trying to rag on the guy but hes just limited, he really can't throw the ball down the field, has weak arm strength. He had a good completion % in a limited # of games doing so, doesn't make him good at it. We'll see what he is capable of this year...
Two things I need to correct you on:
1) SF does not have the best D in the NFL if you're going off of points allowed PG last year. Seattle gave up 15.3 PPG while SF gave up 17.1 PPG.
2) There are two reasons teams didn't want Smith and neither had to do with his performance. First, the 49ers owed him 7.5M so teams were waiting for them to release him instead of trading for him. They knew the 49ers were not keeping him with that kind of salary as a backup. Second, teams did not want to trade for him because they felt the 49ers were asking for too much in return.
He had a good completion percentage over the last two years. Kind of shows with a good offensive system, stability on the coaching staff and play makers around him, he will produce. Kind of sounds like any other NFL QB if you ask me.
Nah the year they went NFC title game with him starting they had the #1 D pretty sure? That is what I said.
What do you mean 9ers owed him 7.5M? Wasn't he a FA last offseason, that is what I am talking about. He visited with the Dolphins but interest was lukewarm and then he re-signed with SF. I wasn't talking about this offseason, this offseason he got traded.
As far as his abilities, sure if everything around him is almost perfect then I guess he can be solid but I'd take a good 20 QBs in the NFL over him....
I really do feel bad for the guy. He has signed so far over 65 million worth of playing contracts in the NFL. Still very young. Could easily sign another 70 or 80 million worth of playing contracts before his career is over.
Also endorsements not included from the above.
This is his wife.
Does anyone have a kleenex I can borrow?
Also endorsements not included from the above.
This is his wife.
Does anyone have a kleenex I can borrow?
I really do feel bad for the guy. He has signed so far over 65 million worth of playing contracts in the NFL. Still very young. Could easily sign another 70 or 80 million worth of playing contracts before his career is over.
Also endorsements not included from the above.
This is his wife.
Does anyone have a kleenex I can borrow?
lol I'll take the under on 70-80Ms but I totally agree. Being the #1 pick in the draft when the rookie scale wasn't in place a pretty nice haul....
Ya but you see what I meant with SF #1 D and him being a FA after the year right? I meant the year they went NFCCG with him at QB...
I got nothing against the guy or anything, just saying I think he is avg and I don't feel bad for him.
I am surprised KC got him though, figured after trying to recycle QBs forever they would try to get a young gun in there (Orton, Cassel)
I do think they can overachieve though in the AFC. That division and the AFC as a whole is so much weaker than the NFC this year that if they just get their shit together they could go 9-7. Should be 2nd best in division by default
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Smith holds the ball in the pocket way too long, ala David Carr. QB’s can mask this deficiency if they possess incredible mobility, which Smith does not. Smith has been on the short end statistically in sacks taken and sacks per attempt, yet has played behind one of the better offensive lines in the league of late.
More importantly, Smith has horrendous numbers on third down, a stat many teams/scouts hold dear to their heart when evaluating a quarterback. Smith has consistently ranked in the 23-26 range in this category. A rule of thumb with QB’s has typically been if they rank in this area in the league they are game managers, development projects or better suited as back ups. Smith firmly lands in the former of the three.
As for Smith’s downfield passing, he is widely considered across the league as weak in this area. He did have a decent percentage of late, but it’s a tricky game to tie one’s analysis into one singular statistic and viewing things in a silo. While Smith’s downfield completion percentage was stronger of late, he only attempts downfield passes about 6-7% of the time, which is incredibly low for an NFL starting QB.
Big names such as the Four and even those behind them typically attempt downfield passes about 13-17% of the time. The reason for the short number in downfield passing was the Niners concern with Smith’s weak arm and accuracy beyond twenty yards. Smith tends to throw a wobbly ball at distance, which is sign of arm weakness and/or poor technique.
Lastly, these shortcomings were a known commodity across the league. Sure, Smith improved under Harbaugh, but has been nothing more than a game manager with excessive flaws who fortunately was able to play behind an incredible team of late. In addition, Smith was not helped by SF changing the playbook following his move to the back up position. Under Kaepernick, SF began to throw the ball downfield, open the playbook, take less sacks and improve their third down offense, albeit across a short sample set.
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More importantly, Smith has horrendous numbers on third down, a stat many teams/scouts hold dear to their heart when evaluating a quarterback. Smith has consistently ranked in the 23-26 range in this category. A rule of thumb with QB’s has typically been if they rank in this area in the league they are game managers, development projects or better suited as back ups. Smith firmly lands in the former of the three.
As for Smith’s downfield passing, he is widely considered across the league as weak in this area. He did have a decent percentage of late, but it’s a tricky game to tie one’s analysis into one singular statistic and viewing things in a silo. While Smith’s downfield completion percentage was stronger of late, he only attempts downfield passes about 6-7% of the time, which is incredibly low for an NFL starting QB.
Big names such as the Four and even those behind them typically attempt downfield passes about 13-17% of the time. The reason for the short number in downfield passing was the Niners concern with Smith’s weak arm and accuracy beyond twenty yards. Smith tends to throw a wobbly ball at distance, which is sign of arm weakness and/or poor technique.
Lastly, these shortcomings were a known commodity across the league. Sure, Smith improved under Harbaugh, but has been nothing more than a game manager with excessive flaws who fortunately was able to play behind an incredible team of late. In addition, Smith was not helped by SF changing the playbook following his move to the back up position. Under Kaepernick, SF began to throw the ball downfield, open the playbook, take less sacks and improve their third down offense, albeit across a short sample set.
they're 27th in the league in passing, so they're not winning because of Smith. but Smith will definitely end up costing them a few games where they'll need some offense. KC's defense won't always be able to hold and score for the offense, and they're vulnerable against the run as it is.
KC hasn't beaten anyone yet and are playing a last place schedule, people need to remember that.
KC hasn't beaten anyone yet and are playing a last place schedule, people need to remember that.
