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Obama in FLorida on vacation....Biden in the Virgin Islands on vacation. Same as it ever was
 
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What happens in the Ukraine isn't going to make one bit of difference to the US; we should let them settle it between themselves.

Yeah except for that pesky little agreement the US, Russia and Great Britain made twenty years ago giving Ukraine security assurances and cash in exchange for Ukraine giving up its nuclear weapons (at the time Ukraine had the third largest nuclear arsenal in the world). If Putin annexes Crimea, violating the Budapest Memorandum, while the US and GB do nothing, you can safely assume no country will ever give up their nukes again.
 

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Looks like Obama may be starting to concede that Russia now owns Crimea.




Lead from behind Barak, lead from behind......
 

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Of course it is relevant to comapre how presidents handle simliar situations. It is especially relevant when those same people are blasting obama that protected bush.

What is obama not doing that he should be?

OBAMA CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT EXCEPT GIVE BILLIONS (Borrowed by the way from China)
TO THE UKRAINE. TYPICAL AMERICAN RESPONSE, By the way, the current Ukraine government is NOT a legitimate one.

Russia looks at the West and tells us to F off. This is not our fight and Putin thinks we are weak.
More worried about immigrants rights, global warming & homosexual marriage than world affairs.
Obama has destroyed our credibility. Meanwhile Obama sinks a 15 footer for a triple bogey!!!!
 

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Because Russia & the US have diametrically different & strong views on what lead to the overthrow of Yanukovych. Russia insists that
when the West realized they could not get rid of President Viktor Yanukovich through peaceful demonstrations, they brought in the mob.

Alll you have to do is google 'Ashton's leaked call" and you have to realize they have a point.
 

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OBAMA CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT EXCEPT GIVE BILLIONS (Borrowed by the way from China)
TO THE UKRAINE. TYPICAL AMERICAN RESPONSE, By the way, the current Ukraine government is NOT a legitimate one.

Russia looks at the West and tells us to F off. This is not our fight and Putin thinks we are weak.
More worried about immigrants rights, global warming & homosexual marriage than world affairs.
Obama has destroyed our credibility. Meanwhile Obama sinks a 15 footer for a triple bogey!!!!

We have to borrow our own made up money to spend our made up money? I wonder how China got our made up money to begin with. Must have a magical USD tree there.
 

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OBAMA CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT EXCEPT GIVE BILLIONS (Borrowed by the way from China)
TO THE UKRAINE. TYPICAL AMERICAN RESPONSE, By the way, the current Ukraine government is NOT a legitimate one.

Russia looks at the West and tells us to F off. This is not our fight and Putin thinks we are weak.
More worried about immigrants rights, global warming & homosexual marriage than world affairs.
Obama has destroyed our credibility. Meanwhile Obama sinks a 15 footer for a triple bogey!!!!

What's with the caps ? You okay ? Deep breath . Russia's laughter should land on deaf ears . The ruble has plummeted as has its market. Russia , don't tell Putin , has kinda become 'irrelevant ' , this ain't the 80's. If Europe would collectively put the squeeze on these fucks ? Putin would cave like an 18 yr old in heat. If I'm wrong , bring it on Putin , come on world war 3? :) he will lose . He knows this , thats why he doesn't pull the real trigger . Hit the gym Putin , and stay away from shirtless pics ....:). Ah, perception ....
 

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You should see the Poly forum if you haven't been. It's getting really gay. They are infatuated with Putin with his shirt off. They are even quoting Iranian generals. It's crazy how they live with so much hate.

Man...reading there today. Absolute crazy right wingers. Russ still connecting imaginary dots and talking about benghazi. So weird..wonder why he isn't connecting the dots on the number of attacks on us embassies during the last admin...weird, creepy old dude repubs at this place
 

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Man...reading there today. Absolute crazy right wingers. Russ still connecting imaginary dots and talking about benghazi. So weird..wonder why he isn't connecting the dots on the number of attacks on us embassies during the last admin...weird, creepy old dude repubs at this place

It's insane. Then you get the pretentious Willie comments as always. There is a picture of this white girl that is crying because she is meeting Obama, and Willie clarified that his "six figure children" would be laughing at him. Then festeringZit said his kids had better things to do than meet the President of the United States, lol. The level of hatred they have for this man is unreal. I'd love to meet GWB and get a picture with him. I've met one President in my life, Gerald Ford... his granddaughter went to my school and he came to speak to us. But remember, Willie said that he does not know a single person that voted for Obama in 2012, despite the fact that in his state of Connecticut, Obama won the majority of the Over $100k voters. Just brainwashed psychos.
 

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It's insane. Then you get the pretentious Willie comments as always. There is a picture of this white girl that is crying because she is meeting Obama, and Willie clarified that his "six figure children" would be laughing at him. Then festeringZit said his kids had better things to do than meet the President of the United States, lol. The level of hatred they have for this man is unreal. I'd love to meet GWB and get a picture with him. I've met one President in my life, Gerald Ford... his granddaughter went to my school and he came to speak to us. But remember, Willie said that he does not know a single person that voted for Obama in 2012, despite the fact that in his state of Connecticut, Obama won the majority of the Over $100k voters. Just brainwashed psychos.

Willie is very limited. He is just spewing "libtards" and "least prepared man in the room" over and over again. I'm sure his kids were so brainwashed by him and prob wouldn't want to meet the president. Just bad parenting. Sad because it becomes a cycle then. Willie should just stop commenting on any elections and how people vote. He doesn't have a clue how are elections are won and lost. Remember, he based part of his prediction on some unemployment trend and then called nate silver a hack. You figure he would be humble after being wrong about everything for a decade but he isn't.

Russ, willie, dave, acebb, joe...those types are just not normal people. Guesser has dave pegged. No doubt in my mind that dave would be happy if a terrorist killed the president. Just who he is as a person. Guys rooting for russian and iran over there own country is sick.
 

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Listen to you two hencluck like the pre-Superbowl days.

On a sidenote did you guys hear Putin is getting his nipples pierced?
 

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Listen to you two hencluck like the pre-Superbowl days.

On a sidenote did you guys hear Putin is getting his nipples pierced?

Did I see you cheerleading one of russ's painful cut and paste? Some nonsense written by condsleeza rice? Cmon scott...don't encourage the old dude. The guy is suffering from serious dementia.
 

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Willie is very limited. He is just spewing "libtards" and "least prepared man in the room" over and over again. I'm sure his kids were so brainwashed by him and prob wouldn't want to meet the president. Just bad parenting. Sad because it becomes a cycle then. Willie should just stop commenting on any elections and how people vote. He doesn't have a clue how are elections are won and lost. Remember, he based part of his prediction on some unemployment trend and then called nate silver a hack. You figure he would be humble after being wrong about everything for a decade but he isn't.

Russ, willie, dave, acebb, joe...those types are just not normal people. Guesser has dave pegged. No doubt in my mind that dave would be happy if a terrorist killed the president. Just who he is as a person. Guys rooting for russian and iran over there own country is sick.

Oh no doubt Dave is a sicko who believes that. They are just brainwashed. Very weird that adults could act like that. Not an ounce of respect or decency in them. But that's how cult leaders get people to believe in crazy things like they are aliens or the world is coming to an end. You feed a retard enough fear mongering rhetoric, they will begin to believe it.
 

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What flavor Kool Aid do you guys drink?

Weird how that has become the new ctach phrase repeated by certain groups. Is anyone original anymore or do they just follow the new phrase and repeat it.

"It is what it is"

"At the end of the day"

"Stop drinking the kool aid"

"Everything happens for a reason"

A nation of following robots.
 

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Weird how that has become the new ctach phrase repeated by certain groups. Is anyone original anymore or do they just follow the new phrase and repeat it


I'm not with any group but wouldn't join one that drinks Cherry
 

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Did I see you cheerleading one of russ's painful cut and paste? Some nonsense written by condsleeza rice? Cmon scott...don't encourage the old dude. The guy is suffering from serious dementia.

The article Condi wrote was SPOT ON! There is only one thing the evil doers of the world like Putin and Iran respect - Might! Isolationism and retreat will hurt America in the long run..... In fact I'll repost it here as it seems appropriate enough.

By Condoleezza Rice, Published: March 7

Condoleezza Rice was secretary of state from 2005 to 2009.

“Meet Viktor Yanu*kovych, who is running for the presidency of Ukraine.” Vladimir Putin and I were standing in his office at the presidential dacha in late 2004 when Yanu*kovych suddenly appeared from a back room. Putin wanted me to get the point. He’s my man, Ukraine is ours — and don’t forget it.

The “Ukrainian problem” has been brewing for some time between the West and Russia. Since Ukraine’s Orange Revolution, the United States and Europe have tried to convince Russia that the vast territory should not be a pawn in a great-power conflict but rather an independent nation that could chart its own course. Putin has never seen it that way. For him, Kiev’s movement toward the West is an affront to Russia in a zero-sum game for the loyalty of former territories of the empire. The invasion and possible annexation of Crimea on trumped-up concerns for its Russian-speaking population is his answer to us.

The immediate concern must be to show Russia that further moves will not be tolerated and that Ukraine’s territorial integrity is sacrosanct. Diplomatic isolation, asset freezes and travel bans against oligarchs are appropriate. The announcement of air defense exercises with the Baltic states and the movement of a U.S. destroyer to the Black Sea bolster our allies, as does economic help for Ukraine’s embattled leaders, who must put aside their internal divisions and govern their country.

The longer-term task is to answer Putin’s statement about Europe’s post-Cold War future. He is saying that Ukraine will never be free to make its own choices — a message meant to reverberate in Eastern Europe and the Baltic states — and that Russia has special interests it will pursue at all costs. For Putin, the Cold War ended “tragically.” He will turn the clock back as far as intimidation through military power, economic leverage and Western inaction will allow.

After Russia invaded Georgia in 2008, the United States sent ships into the Black Sea, airlifted Georgian military forces from Iraq back to their home bases and sent humanitarian aid. Russia was denied its ultimate goal of overthrowing the democratically elected government, an admission made to me by the Russian foreign minister. The United States and Europe could agree on only a few actions to isolate Russia politically.

But even those modest steps did not hold. Despite Russia’s continued occupation of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, the diplomatic isolation waned and then the Obama administration’s “reset” led to an abrupt revision of plans to deploy missile defense components in the Czech Republic and Poland. Talk of Ukraine and Georgia’s future in NATO ceased. Moscow cheered.

This time has to be different. Putin is playing for the long haul, cleverly exploiting every opening he sees. So must we, practicing strategic patience if he is to be stopped. Moscow is not immune from pressure. This is not 1968, and Russia is not the Soviet Union. The Russians need foreign investment; oligarchs like traveling to Paris and London, and there are plenty of ill-gotten gains stored in bank accounts abroad; the syndicate that runs Russia cannot tolerate lower oil prices; neither can the Kremlin’s budget, which sustains subsidies toward constituencies that support Putin. Soon, North America’s bounty of oil and gas will swamp Moscow’s capacity. Authorizing the Keystone XL pipeline and championing natural gas exports would signal that we intend to do precisely that. And Europe should finally diversify its energy supply and develop pipelines that do not run through Russia.

Many of Russia’s most productive people, particularly its well-educated youth, are alienated from the Kremlin. They know that their country should not be only an extractive industries giant. They want political and economic freedoms and the ability to innovate and create in today’s knowledge-based economy. We should reach out to Russian youth, especially students and young professionals, many of whom are studying in U.S. universities and working in Western firms. Democratic forces in Russia need to hear American support for their ambitions. They, not Putin, are Russia’s future.

Most important, the United States must restore its standing in the international community, which has been eroded by too many extended hands of friendship to our adversaries, sometimes at the expense of our friends. Continued inaction in Syria, which has strengthened Moscow’s hand in the Middle East, and signs that we are desperate for a nuclear agreement with Iran cannot be separated from Putin’s recent actions.

Radically declining U.S. defense budgets signal that we no longer have the will or intention to sustain global order, as does talk of withdrawal from Afghanistan whether the security situation warrants it or not. We must not fail, as we did in Iraq, to leave behind a residual presence. Anything less than the American military’s requirement for 10,000 troops will say that we are not serious about helping to stabilize that country.

The notion that the United States could step back, lower its voice about democracy and human rights and let others lead assumed that the space we abandoned would be filled by democratic allies, friendly states and the amorphous “norms of the international community.” Instead, we have seen the vacuum being filled by extremists such as al-Qaeda reborn in Iraq and Syria; by dictators like Bashar al-Assad, who, with the support of Iran and Russia, murders his own people; by nationalist rhetoric and actions by Beijing that have prompted nationalist responses from our ally Japan; and by the likes of Vladimir Putin, who understands that hard power still matters.

These global developments have not happened in response to a muscular U.S. foreign policy: Countries are not trying to “balance” American power. They have come due to signals that we are exhausted and disinterested. The events in Ukraine should be a wake-up call to those on both sides of the aisle who believe that the United States should eschew the responsibilities of leadership. If it is not heeded, dictators and extremists across the globe will be emboldened. And we will pay a price as our interests and our values are trampled in their wake.
 

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Ok...I will be honest. I can't get past the line that says by condalezza rice. Lol.
 

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