If Washington or Clemson loses...

[Tacopants]

You just proved my point. Tosu has only one loss compared to penn states 2. They also played much stronger schedule. 1 3pt loss on rd compared to a 50 pt loss penn st had

Don't know how I proved your point. I am only pointing out that if PSU wins the B10 and does not go to the playoffs and OSU does, the message to PSU is that they should have scheduled a scrub team like Buffalo instead of a power 5 rival on the road. What would be the arguement then? It would just be like last year vs MSU.

All I am saying is that if the committee does this, they are going to create a scenario where teams are afraid to play good teams in nonconf games and will only schedule scrub teams. If you make the conf champ an auto bid then you remove the ability of the schools to control their schedule and they will not be afraid to schedule good nonconf games.

The committee lucked out last year that Arkansas converted that crazy 4 and 25 vs Ole Miss otherwise they would have had to deal with this last year.

But let's be honest, the committees job is to try me bring the most money to the power 5 conferences, not the team that earned it on the field. That is why you keep hearing"eyeball" test, which is just an excuse to pick the team that will bring the most money. Teams should not be in the playoffs over teams that won their division/conference. They did not earn it on the field.

 

[GoSooners]

Either Clemson or UW will lose this weekend...

 

[GoSooners]

To me it seems obvious that Michigan isn't the obstacle for the B10 champ to get in.

If Wisky wins I KNOW Michigan isn't getting in. Barry Alvarez is probably the biggest influence (loudest mouth) on the playoff committee.

 

[PeePee]

Chew on this....given the current rankings, if both the UW and Clemson are upset, things are set up for three B10 teams to go to the playoff.......tOSU, Michigan and the winner of Wisconsin/Penn State.....any doubt that Barry Alvarez is running this thing?

What about Col leapfrog into 4 if win. Nobody, including the comittee, wants 3 big10 teams in playoff. That's for sure not going to happen.

 

[PeePee]

If Colorado and wisc/Penn win, they both will be in. Mich will not jump anyone sitting there. Conf championship will propel both teams. And that's how it should be

 

[bukis1]

Don't know how I proved your point. I am only pointing out that if PSU wins the B10 and does not go to the playoffs and OSU does, the message to PSU is that they should have scheduled a scrub team like Buffalo instead of a power 5 rival on the road. What would be the arguement then? It would just be like last year vs MSU.

All I am saying is that if the committee does this, they are going to create a scenario where teams are afraid to play good teams in nonconf games and will only schedule scrub teams. If you make the conf champ an auto bid then you remove the ability of the schools to control their schedule and they will not be afraid to schedule good nonconf games.

The committee lucked out last year that Arkansas converted that crazy 4 and 25 vs Ole Miss otherwise they would have had to deal with this last year.

But let's be honest, the committees job is to try me bring the most money to the power 5 conferences, not the team that earned it on the field. That is why you keep hearing"eyeball" test, which is just an excuse to pick the team that will bring the most money. Teams should not be in the playoffs over teams that won their division/conference. They did not earn it on the field.

So if al loses sat they shouldn't go? Also these conference schedules are so unbalanced. For ex tosu played rd games at Msu (usually a top 10 team) @ wi @ penn st. Oh they also went to Ou and won by 21. Penn st played @ mi and lost by 50. @ Pitt and lost. Their next toughest rd game was Iu. They didn't play wi or even Ne .Mi played 3 games out of the state of Mi and lost 2.

 

[bukis1]

If Wisky wins I KNOW Michigan isn't getting in. Barry Alvarez is probably the biggest influence (loudest mouth) on the playoff committee.

Agree

 

[bukis1]

Don't know how I proved your point. I am only pointing out that if PSU wins the B10 and does not go to the playoffs and OSU does, the message to PSU is that they should have scheduled a scrub team like Buffalo instead of a power 5 rival on the road. What would be the arguement then? It would just be like last year vs MSU.

All I am saying is that if the committee does this, they are going to create a scenario where teams are afraid to play good teams in nonconf games and will only schedule scrub teams. If you make the conf champ an auto bid then you remove the ability of the schools to control their schedule and they will not be afraid to schedule good nonconf games.

The committee lucked out last year that Arkansas converted that crazy 4 and 25 vs Ole Miss otherwise they would have had to deal with this last year.

But let's be honest, the committees job is to try me bring the most money to the power 5 conferences, not the team that earned it on the field. That is why you keep hearing"eyeball" test, which is just an excuse to pick the team that will bring the most money. Teams should not be in the playoffs over teams that won their division/conference. They did not earn it on the field.

Let's say Al loses sat. Colorado wins. You mean to tell me you'd put Colorado in Wi/psu winner in and Clemson in and Ou/osu winner in? sorry but those would not be the 4 best teams

 

[mws]

Last year, the Committee did not go with the four best teams -- not even close. They had Mich St as the 3 seed, when they weren't even one of the 30 best teams in the country. The Committee is clueless, so I guess anything is possible. Dream scenario for Clemson: Wisconsin wins, and Alvarez's influence moves them ahead of Ohio State, which gets pushed to no. four.

 

[tmader7]

Either Clemson or UW will lose this weekend...

It ain't gonna be Clemson my good friend.

~T~

 

[WinOne]

Clemson won't lose, they are playing scary good now

I'm not so sure about that. I think the Clemson secondary is really bad and Va Tech has the WR's and TE's to exploit that. I think they play them really, really close

 

[WinOne]

Last year, the Committee did not go with the four best teams -- not even close. They had Mich St as the 3 seed, when they weren't even one of the 30 best teams in the country. The Committee is clueless, so I guess anything is possible. Dream scenario for Clemson: Wisconsin wins, and Alvarez's influence moves them ahead of Ohio State, which gets pushed to no. four.

They need to blow the committee up. Alvarez is a blowhard, this has his fat grubby prints all over it just like last year. He left OSU and Stanford out for OU and Mich St. Stanford and OSU would have been better selections. Couple years ago, they dinged B12 (TCU/Bay) for not having 13th data point. So this year, neither Michigan or tOSU has a 13th datapoint. Now what, they just make up new rules as they go along. I wish they'd go back to the BCS formula so that atleast we could see numerical values of where each team ranks and what the distance is between the teams.

 

[GoSooners]

They need to blow the committee up. Alvarez is a blowhard, this has his fat grubby prints all over it just like last year. He left OSU and Stanford out for OU and Mich St. Stanford and OSU would have been better selections. Couple years ago, they dinged B12 (TCU/Bay) for not having 13th data point. So this year, neither Michigan or tOSU has a 13th datapoint. Now what, they just make up new rules as they go along. I wish they'd go back to the BCS formula so that atleast we could see numerical values of where each team ranks and what the distance is between the teams.

8 teams would solve a lot of problems...

 

[WinOne]

8 teams would solve a lot of problems...

Eight would be great if they had first round games on campus. Otherwise I'd like to have 6, and give 1 and 2 a bye. Let 3v6 and 4v5 play first round on campus and second round games in bowl sites.

 

[GoSooners]

Eight would be great if they had first round games on campus. Otherwise I'd like to have 6, and give 1 and 2 a bye. Let 3v6 and 4v5 play first round on campus and second round games in bowl sites.

They probably wouldn't have any other choice than to do it that way since most fans aren't willing or able to travel to multiple playoff games. At least half of those fanbases would get to stay home for a game. Much better than the hassles of a neutral site game.

 

[Tacopants]

So if al loses sat they shouldn't go? Also these conference schedules are so unbalanced. For ex tosu played rd games at Msu (usually a top 10 team) @ wi @ penn st. Oh they also went to Ou and won by 21. Penn st played @ mi and lost by 50. @ Pitt and lost. Their next toughest rd game was Iu. They didn't play wi or even Ne .Mi played 3 games out of the state of Mi and lost 2.

I generally do agree with the unbalanced schedule arguement however if PSU beats Wiscy, the arguement is pretty weak for OSU in conference because PSU would have played UM on the road, Wiscy at a neutral site and OSU. I would say their B10 schedule would then be even, PSU had a better B10 record and won the head to head matchup. PSU would also have an additional B10 game. And please don't bring up Nebraska. They are a joke and did not beat anybody decent this year. And don't know why you brought up MSU to bolster OSU's schedule. MSU is garbage this year and OSU bet them by a whole point two weeks ago. PSU just smashed MSU last week.

 

[fishmustdie]

The problem is that the Big ten and SEC continue to try and game the rest of College football by refusing to play a 9 game conference schedule. This would weed out undeserving teams. Ridiculous that they are allowed to continue this farce. Vegas odds :https://twitter.com/RJinVegas/status/804001752223662081/photo/1

 

[Tacopants]

Let's say Al loses sat. Colorado wins. You mean to tell me you'd put Colorado in Wi/psu winner in and Clemson in and Ou/osu winner in? sorry but those would not be the 4 best teams

No, you keep using different divisions. I am saying if you did not win your division/conf and make the playoffs but the team within your own division wins the conference title but does not make the playoffs, that is wrong.

In your scenario, it would be like the committee putting USC in over Colorado even if Colorado wins the PAC12 title on Friday because the committee thinks USC is the better team right now. I am willing to wager that USC would be favored on a neutral field next week vs Colorado. Should that be the reason the committee puts them in the playoff?

Nobody has these issues in the NFL because everyone knows the rules. Win your division and you are in the playoffs. Doesn't matter if you are not the "best" team in your division and have a fourth place schedule. Why the playoff cannot go to this format? 8 team playoff, 5 conf winners, highest ranked non power 5 team and two wildcard. Because humans. These teams should have an opportunity to win it on the field.

 

[Tacopants]

Last year, the Committee did not go with the four best teams -- not even close. They had Mich St as the 3 seed, when they weren't even one of the 30 best teams in the country. The Committee is clueless, so I guess anything is possible. Dream scenario for Clemson: Wisconsin wins, and Alvarez's influence moves them ahead of Ohio State, which gets pushed to no. four.

Who would you have put in over MSU last year? Don't tell me the team that lost to them at home with MSUs backup QB late in the season.

 

[mws]

I'm not so sure about that. I think the Clemson secondary is really bad and Va Tech has the WR's and TE's to exploit that. I think they play them really, really close

The secondary is definitely Clemson's weak point, and VPI might be able to take advantage. We'll see.