If the Bills the playoffs, are they the most overrated team of all-time?

[SheriffJoe]

Lol. Still on this...

This would be like me bragging about Rodgers when GB lost to Tampa at home and Brady threw 3 second half ints.

That rodgers really showed him. I heard Brady cried after his 7th super bowl title because of how badly rodgers showed him up in green baby's loss at home as the favorite.

Rodgers also came up short on final drive.

Football has an infinite number of complex moving parts and pieces. It's not like tennis where fans watch a stupid little yellow ball lobbed back and forth ad nauseam, which even a 4 year old can understand.

The best QB doesn’t automatically win the game. The best player doesn't automatically win the game. You get that, right?

I'm not even going to mention QBs like Burrow who would totally be exposed on non-elite teams with non-elite weapons. Take Troy Aikman, who I watched play A LOT. Troy Aikman was not an "elite" QB. Troy Aikman was not Brett Favre, Josh Allen or even Steve Young. The guy played on some of the most STACKED offenses AND defenses in the history of sports.

"Oh, but he won...He got it done!" Words of a simpleton.

Remember Barry Sanders? Best RB ever, yet believe it or not, there were debates like these comparing him to Emmitt Smith. "Oh, but Emmitt won...Barry didn't!" Yes, because Barry played for the Detroit Lions, one of the worst franchises in sports with absolutely no support around his brand of magic.

Patrick Mahomes would not have a single Super Bowl as the QB of the Buffalo Bills. Neither would Brady or any other QB, past or present. Whereas Allen would already have multiple rings in KC with Andy Reid. Just a fact.

A few months ago, Chop was lecturing me how Stefon Diggs is a "1B WR". No he's not. Josh Allen gave him those inflated stats. Josh Allen would make any decent WR a "1B".

Ja'Marr Chase hauls in Allen's 70 yard laser-guided bomb and people would still be talking about it, along with Allen's legendary performance, both on the ground and and in the air. Like "13 seconds" when Allen outdueled Mahomes but still somehow lost sitting on the bench.

Why? Because football is a team sport, not a QB sport. "Star talk" comparisons is for fans and their fantasy leagues.

We'll see if the Ravens D stuffs the Chiefs this weekend. If they can and Lamar has an "ok" game putting up good but not great numbers, some will argue Lamar Jackson is a better QB than Patrick Mahomes...and Josh Allen!

Crazy talk!

 

[raiders72]

Avocado - you think that Burrow could throw the ball that far without a running start?

 

[Avocado33]

LMAO!! Not even close. All his yards came in garbage time! They were down 27 of course you're getting yards!! In close games yards matter. Keep trying!

One QB averaged 4.8 yards/pass (which would be the worst in the league)

The other averaged 9.3 yards/pass (which would be the best in the league)

But sure the total yardage is relevant

The Bills ran 31 more plays than the Chiefs and had 7 more yards total

 

[crudebar]

raiders posted the Play-by-Play of that final drive for some reason -- don't know what point he was trying to make

I mean Allen nearly threw the game-sealing interception right to McDuffie. The very next play he fumbled the ball and the Chiefs somehow didn't scoop it up

Then all the incompletions/bad decisions on that last set of downs

Like it was objectively a bad final drive

It's kind of funny the literal highlight game of his career is a Divisional Round loss (two years ago)

And now apparently an incomplete pass is the highlight play of his career lol

Judging an elite qb on a curve and giving him moral victories. Lol

The guy played fine but not like he played lights out and nothing more humanly possible he could have done(not even close to that)

 

[phdinsports]

He was being facetious.

Facetious in the "outplayed Love" not in the total yards argument.

 

[Avocado33]

Avocado - you think that Burrow could throw the ball that far without a running start?

I mean I've seen him throw a laser 60+ with a drop back

I think it's definitely possible, especially with wind at his back

Burrow has a good arm

For what it's worth I also think Allen could throw the ball farther than that throw to Diggs

 

[crudebar]

Burrow actually beat Allen in Buffalo as a rather larger dog and has played in a super bowl.

But but but did u see that one pass from Allen! Lol

 

[raiders72]

I mean I've seen him throw a laser 60+ with a drop back

I think it's definitely possible, especially with wind at his back

Burrow has a good arm

Watch the replay to see how far it was thrown. Allen didn’t even wind up. No way in the world that Burrow can make that pass. It’s just too far.

 

[crudebar]

If this is how we judge...

Favre, Marino, Elway are the 3 greatest qbs of all time.

 

[crudebar]

And Brett Favre is my favorite player of all-time and I would never make a silly argument he is the best qb ever.

 

[Avocado33]

Watch the replay to see how far it was thrown. Allen didn’t even wind up. No way in the world that Burrow can make that pass. It’s just too far.

Are we debating who has a bigger arm or something?

I just said Allen could probably throw it further than that even

And yes Allen has a bigger arm than Burrow

But Burrow is a more accurate thrower

 

[SheriffJoe]

Barry Sanders is the undisputed best all time RB in football but because he "never got it done" he's... not. Total bum!

"Moral victories"

The Stupid! It Burns!

 

[raiders72]

Are we debating who has a bigger arm or something?

I just said Allen could probably throw it further than that even

And yes Allen has a bigger arm than Burrow

But Burrow is a more accurate thrower

Burrow is the most accurate QB in the league but he can’t make that pass. It’s too far and very few can throw it that far.

 

[crudebar]

Brady and Montana almost universally regard as the top 2 qbs of all time. Neither had a huge arm. They knew their limitations and knew the throws to make and the throws NOT to make...

 

[crudebar]

Burrow is the most accurate QB in the league but he can’t make that pass. It’s too far and very few can throw it that far.

Once again. Who the fuck cares!!!

Oooo one might have won the game and has 2 super bowls but but but my guy made that one super totes kewl pass. Lol

 

[phdinsports]

One QB averaged 4.8 yards/pass (which would be the worst in the league)

The other averaged 9.3 yards/pass (which would be the best in the league)

But sure the total yardage is relevant

The Bills ran 31 more plays than the Chiefs and had 7 more yards total

Well if those clown could catch a ball his yards per attempt climbs to 7.8 on just two drops! Not Allen fault his D couldn't tackle. And you keep doing that you forget to mention that the D was averaging over 8 yards a play. Again facing a much tougher D he still had more yards and more tds. Better performance.

 

[Avocado33]

Not exactly like Burrow has a noodle arm. I mean this is 60 air yards and perfect location. Who knows how far he "could have" thrown it

Not sure why vid is blocked

 

[crudebar]

Not exactly like Burrow has a noodle arm. I mean this is 60 air yards and perfect location. Who knows how far he "could have" thrown it

Obviously he doesn't have a noodle arm. He was the #1 pick in the draft.

These guys are simply idiots. One has to play devils advocate to some of their garbage to make the larger point.

 

[raiders72]

Allen’s making throws that only 2 other QBs in the league have the possibility of making. He runs for over 70 yds. Converted many 3rd and 4th downs. His receivers catch the ball and it’s an all time great QB performance.

 

[raiders72]

Not exactly like Burrow has a noodle arm. I mean this is 60 air yards and perfect location. Who knows how far he "could have" thrown it

Not sure why vid is blocked

The ball was close to 70 yds in the air. It wasn’t thrown straight up the field. Burrow can not throw it that far standing.