If the Big 12 gets shut out of the party?

[RunLeeRun]

how happy is neb is that west division? i cant see how their fans are happy with it. now that that they see the money the big12 is making maybe they can make a play for them?

We happily paid 25 million to get out of that shotgun marriage. We arent walking down the isle again with Texas. And the fanbase is starting to accustom itself in the big ten. Wisconsin hate is strong and its currently the weakest division of all Power5 conferences. With the right coach, the path is of least resistance.

The chancelor would have nothing of it. He helped get Nebraska into the Big Ten, when realistically the odds were against it. Plus he favors the academic side and research $ that comes with the big ten. Plus, his plan to get rid of Bo just cane to fruition.

In summary, it isnt just money. Its academics, research and most importantly stability, which is something that cant cohabitate with the Texas ego.

 

[RunLeeRun]

The committee botched this 2 weeks ago. What warranted TCU jumping to #3? Then, after jumping to #3 they play the next team up which happened to be ISU and beat them 55-3. I know we aren't supposed to look at the odds but they covered by 17 points and the committee sees this how? They drop the to 6! Once again, why were the ranked #3 the week before and what did they need to do to keep that ranking? Maybe, if they would have won 99-0? The explanations are what I am interested in. I don't have a problem with the 4 teams.

The problem is putting out a ranking each week, especially during the first year. Set themselves up.

 

[MSUSpartans]

We happily paid 25 million to get out of that shotgun marriage. We arent walking down the isle again with Texas. And the fanbase is starting to accustom itself in the big ten. Wisconsin hate is strong and its currently the weakest division of all Power5 conferences. With the right coach, the path is of least resistance.

The chancelor would have nothing of it. He helped get Nebraska into the Big Ten, when realistically the odds were against it. Plus he favors the academic side and research $ that comes with the big ten. Plus, his plan to get rid of Bo just cane to fruition.

In summary, it isnt just money. Its academics, research and most importantly stability, which is something that cant cohabitate with the Texas ego.

A big portion is about money. And Nebraska is making way more in the Big Ten.

 

[RunLeeRun]

A big portion is about money. And Nebraska is making way more in the Big Ten.

Well, you know Nebraska left a situation in the big 12 where they were getting good money. There wasnt even distribuition of revenue. Nebraska was on the better end of that, plus they were probably going to start their own tv network. It is about money, but not that more drew them to the big ten, it was more staring down the Mountain West if/when the southern schools baled

 

[MSUSpartans]

Well, you know Nebraska left a situation in the big 12 where they were getting good money. There wasnt even distribuition of revenue. Nebraska was on the better end of that, plus they were probably going to start their own tv network. It is about money, but not that more drew them to the big ten, it was more staring down the Mountain West if/when the southern schools baled

I agree to an extent. The contracts would have changed because I still think A&M eventually bolts even without Nebraska leaving. And I should clarify. They are making more than what they were making in the previous Big12 TV deal. They are actually making less than the other B1G schools though because of their up front investment in the Big Ten Network. Technically the windfall will come in 3 years when the new TV deal goes through. That could mean as much as $50 million per B1G school. That's double what the other conferences are making.

 

[groundhog11]

We happily paid 25 million to get out of that shotgun marriage. We arent walking down the isle again with Texas. And the fanbase is starting to accustom itself in the big ten. Wisconsin hate is strong and its currently the weakest division of all Power5 conferences. With the right coach, the path is of least resistance.

The chancelor would have nothing of it. He helped get Nebraska into the Big Ten, when realistically the odds were against it. Plus he favors the academic side and research $ that comes with the big ten. Plus, his plan to get rid of Bo just cane to fruition.

In summary, it isnt just money. Its academics, research and most importantly stability, which is something that cant cohabitate with the Texas ego.

that research money is pretty good....solid info,rlr...

 

[BigdaddyQH]

While this will never happen, the best thing that can happen is for the Big 12 to just fold their tents and move on. Kansas and K-State to the Big 10. Texas, T-Tech, OU and Okie State to the Pac 12. BYU, Iowa State,TCU and Baylor to the MWC. Cincinnati and Memphis to the ACC. UCF and USF to the SEC. That gives you 5 Conferences of 16 teams each. Then expansion to a 8 team format in the playoffs that includes all conference champs makes sense. Like I said, this makes too much sense to ever happen, but it is fun to think about.

 

[GoSooners]

watered down league by adding those schools.....outside of texas,okla....i dont see why they would want to add them causing them to lose texas,ou on the schedule as a home game every yr....

This is why they have been wishy washy on adding teams. The leadership is very rigid, and they don't want to veer from their original plan of 10 schools. Remember, they bypassed FSU, Clemson and Louisville to gamble on this plan working out. And now they are faced with what in the back of their minds had to be their biggest nightmare, the conference becoming irrelevant to the rest of the country. And more importantly the Playoff Committee. I hear a lot of opinions on this board about the Big 12, mostly negative coming from people outside the conference who jump to quick conclusions based on one season of football and the decision of the playoff committee. ground hog, I'm with you in that I don't want the Big 12 to add just any school. The only quality school left that I feel could come in and compete week to week at this level is BYU. But I think this school and the Big 12 would have to be willing to give and take on some of their rules and traditions. Mainly the no play on Sunday. The Big 12 would probably have to adopt what the NCAA basketball playoff adopts when BYU makes the tournament. Schedule their games for Thursday and Saturday instead of Friday and Sunday. How they would get by this in the minor sports like baseball tournaments that are held on the weekends I don't know. But there should at least be some negotiating done to see if they can find some common ground.

The bottom line is they can add 2 more schools or 6 more schools, but things aren't going to change until OU and Texas become national powers again. The Big 12 does not need to expand just for the sake of doing so. The real issue with the snub of the Big 12 didn't have as much to do with having no title game as much as it did with the names of the two universities who finished fifth and sixth in the poll. If these two teams were in Austin and Norman I have little doubt that one or both would have been in the playoff. But a conference championship game would have also put either Baylor or TCU over the top and got them in. So you have to look at it that way too. When you are a 10 team conference and you are a no name trying to get into the playoff, things have to fall right. If FSU had lost to GT, Baylor would have got in. If Ohio St had lost too, both Baylor and TCU would have made it in. But that's just the way the chips fell this year. But beyond the if's and but's the reality is simply this, without Nebraska and Texas A&M both OU and Texas have to be on for the conference to get the respect they deserve. The other programs can add depth but they simply aren't the name universities that catch national attention.

 

[golffish]

Can't speak to the other schools going to the conferences you mention but there's not a snowballs chance that Cinci and Memphis go to the ACC or UCF and USF go to the SEC.

While this will never happen, the best thing that can happen is for the Big 12 to just fold their tents and move on. Kansas and K-State to the Big 10. Texas, T-Tech, OU and Okie State to the Pac 12. BYU, Iowa State,TCU and Baylor to the MWC. Cincinnati and Memphis to the ACC. UCF and USF to the SEC. That gives you 5 Conferences of 16 teams each. Then expansion to a 8 team format in the playoffs that includes all conference champs makes sense. Like I said, this makes too much sense to ever happen, but it is fun to think about.

 

[GoSooners]

Looks like the Big 12 has already reached out to Cincinnati:

http://www.chatsports.com/ncaa/a/Report-Big-12-Officials-Have-Reached-Out-To-Cincinnati-10-205-3776

 

[WinOne]

Bowlsby is basically just a mouthpiece for the college Presidents (OU,UT) just like Bebee was. It's all about money with the Big 12. Which has been their downfall, from the LHN on down. They think the 10 team split is the way to go, and up to this point they have stuck by it. But it took this latest fiasco to get them off their asses and take a second look at expansion. But if the NCAA allows them a championship game with 10 teams, they won't add any more programs. The conference will receive $58 million split 10 ways this year. Next year they will be guaranteed a minimum $90 million with 10 teams. In other words things probably won't change until we turn into the Big East and ESPN continues to say we do not deserve to be in the playoffs, or the Big 12 expands. I personally think they've already missed out on their best opportunities when they let Clemson, FSU and Louisville slip away. That was probably one of the worst decisions that I've seen in the history of college football. Along with not joining up with the Pac-12 being a close second. Look at what those programs have done since. FSU has won a national championship, Clemson has won a BCS bowl game and Louisville has won a NC in basketball. All of this stuff was easy to predict. I knew if OU or Texas didn't win the conference, there was a good chance of nobody making the playoff. I have a little sympathy for TCU, but I think Baylor is dirty, both in their recruiting and their on-field conduct. But I will never feel sorry for any team who never schedules a traditional top 20 type of program in their non-conference schedule. This should force those programs to take a second look at their future scheduling. If they still don't want to comply, then they have no argument for the playoff if another Power 5 conference team has the same record. OU, Texas, WV, OSU get it. Baylor doesn't.

GS, you are correct. Right now, the B12 likes the $$$ Split and adding teams means that split is going to be reduced. Or they can get a team or two that moves the needle with household viewers. As we discussed a few years ago, B12 missed out by not going after L'Ville and Cincy when they added TCU and WVA. L'Ville would give WVa a a travel partner and Cincy is a good midwestern city with a good recruiting base. All are good BBall teams which would appease the BBall schools. But again, they couldn't get anything done without going through Austin first for approval (IMO). Adding Colo St would require them to make significant upgrades to their facilities.
You want to take a flyer, go grab SDSU and Fresno St and get into the California market. I'd think those would be better schools than CSU. But I'd also look at Cincy as well.