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Only other thing I will say and I honestly believe this with respect to TCU and or Baylor...If the teams in question were Texas or Oklahoma, this would not even be debated. Both Texas or Oklahoma would be in because of the "swagger" carried by their program names. If this is the case, then the committee is a farce.

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OU's loss yesterday to OSU hurt TCU/Baylor in the playoff picture. This isn't a very popular opinion with my Big 12 brothers, but I absolutely don't think the Big 12 deserved a final four slot. Besides TCU/Baylor this hasn't been a very good conference this year. TCU has basically one good win, KSU at home. Ohio State beat Sparty on the road and Wisconsin at a neutral site. Those teams aren't great, but they aren't any worse than the K-State's or WV. Now we can talk about how bad the Big 10 was this year, but how does the Big 12 differ? The bottom 5 teams in this conference were horrible. Even OU could end up 8-5 after their bowl game. After watching both TCU and Baylor the last few weeks, I don't think they can compete in the trenches with the bluebloods of college football. They simply don't have the overall talent. Despite the lopsided score, TCU could do absolutely nothing on offense against Texas, and neither could Baylor. They were lucky the Horns were terrible on offense and shot themselves in the foot in both games. I guarantee you that the top 4 teams in the playoff will all have comparable or better defenses than Texas. And I know their offenses will be better. The bottom line is if the Big 12 had a playoff game and Baylor/TCU had a rematch at the end of the season to determine a "true" winner, then there would be no doubt the Big 12 would have had a final four slot. I personally hope the Big 12 gets snubbed for here on out so we can start seeing some changes made. Nothing gets the cigar smoking fat cats out of their easy chairs faster than getting picked over like crumbs. Their grand idea of 10 teams one true champion has backfired on them. Like I thought it would do if we didn't have an undefeated champion. And we haven't had an undefeated champ in a long time.
 

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Well, at least they got one thing right in that it looks like we may finally get the match-up everyone has been hoping for, Alabama vs Oregon for all the marbles. SEC homers vs the PAC homers should make for some interesting "discussions" on this board going forward.
 

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Well, at least they got one thing right in that it looks like we may finally get the match-up everyone has been hoping for, Alabama vs Oregon for all the marbles. SEC homers vs the PAC homers should make for some interesting "discussions" on this board going forward.

Fsu will knock Oregon out with ease
 

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GS, you guys need to use some of that oil money down there and get those SW schools back into the fold... No way A & M, Missouri, & Arkansas should be SEC teams... Nebraska shouldn't be in Big Ten either... That Conference was the best back in the day....plain and simple
 

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Guys wake up its all about MONEY! it will always come down to ratings and money... Ohio st was always going to be in if the won out... think about it Alabama vs TCU or Baylor? or Alabama vs Ohio ST Nick vs Urban... its a no brainer.....
 

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Only other thing I will say and I honestly believe this with respect to TCU and or Baylor...If the teams in question were Texas or Oklahoma, this would not even be debated. Both Texas or Oklahoma would be in because of the "swagger" carried by their program names. If this is the case, then the committee is a farce.
WinOne... if OU or Texas were 11-1 they would more than likely be "legit" powers since they have the better overall talent than Baylor or TCU. But Texas is still picking themselves up off the ground and OU's coaching has been horrendous. Until these two programs get back up to speed we are going to continue to see musical chair champions of this conference like we've had for the past 5 years...
 

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GS, you guys need to use some of that oil money down there and get those SW schools back into the fold... No way A & M, Missouri, & Arkansas should be SEC teams... Nebraska shouldn't be in Big Ten either... That Conference was the best back in the day....plain and simple
That ship has sailed. The formation of the Big 12 fifteen years ago was simply a huge mistake and doomed from the start. There was just too much friction over the way the conference was set up and the disagreements between the north and south for it to be a long term conference..
 

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You guys who are crying about Baylor and TCU should be listening to Long. It was no contest between #4 Ohio State and #5 Baylor. Long mentioned that one team had 12 wins and the other had 11. He also mentioned that Baylor's SOS was much weaker than Ohio State's. Baylor jumped past TCU because they defeated TCU.

Now the question becomes simply this. Does the Big 12 learn it's lesson and grabs two more teams to get to 12 teams and a CC game? I said at the beginning of the year that the Big 12 would be left out because they do not have a CC game. We all know that the Big 12 has been one of the more stubborn Conferences in the NCAA. Briles should also have learned his lesson. You do not schedule only patsies in your non-con schedule. Briles shot off his mouth and now is paying for it.
 

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Guys wake up its all about MONEY! it will always come down to ratings and money... Ohio st was always going to be in if the won out... think about it Alabama vs TCU or Baylor? or Alabama vs Ohio ST Nick vs Urban... its a no brainer.....

This is a good point as Ohio St. is much more appealing to the TV viewership ratings and therefore the advertising $
 

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That ship has sailed. The formation of the Big 12 fifteen years ago was simply a huge mistake and doomed from the start. There was just too much friction over the way the conference was set up and the disagreements between the north and south for it to be a long term conference..

Unfortunately when all three of Colorado, Kansas St., and Nebraska fell on hard times the balance of power shifted too far to the south of the Big 12 conference and then Texas really started to try to use their influence to bully the rest of the conference which pissed off Nebraska and others as well. If they are going to add two more teams what do you think maybe: Colorado St., BYU, maybe Boise? I know the sticky point for CSU is that high school stadium they play in, but I think they have approved a new stadium and the infusion of cash by the Big 12 would be enough to get that done. BYU would give them the Salt Lake city and national TV markets and who would not like to see a Christian (TCU) vs Mormons battles?
 

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Unfortunately when all three of Colorado, Kansas St., and Nebraska fell on hard times the balance of power shifted too far to the south of the Big 12 conference and then Texas really started to try to use their influence to bully the rest of the conference which pissed off Nebraska and others as well. If they are going to add two more teams what do you think maybe: Colorado St., BYU, maybe Boise? I know the sticky point for CSU is that high school stadium they play in, but I think they have approved a new stadium and the infusion of cash by the Big 12 would be enough to get that done. BYU would give them the Salt Lake city and national TV markets and who would not like to see a Christian (TCU) vs Mormons battles?
I think the two programs they would look at first are Cincinnati and Memphis. I don't see the Big 12 looking west. But if desperation sets in, nothing would surprise me. I know BYU is desperately looking for a conference. But they want to get in by "their" terms. I'm not sure that's going to work with the fat cats in this conference..
 

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I think BYU would be huge for the Big 12.....fat cats need to get over themselves for once
 

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I would love to be a fly on the wall of the Committee meeting. What are the real agendas and who are the real powers on the Committee vs the followers? Think Osborne has any love for the Big12? Comments from Long after its done won't shed any real light IMO.
Welp, that makes two of us. I would like to have been in that room. But from what I am gathering from interviews of it's members, this was a very close vote despite OSU having the better SOS. The chairman just admitted that there were multiple votes to get the end result! Basically, they didn't like the result of the first vote, so they changed it...WOW. That was basically a screw you nod to the Big 12...
 

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That ship has sailed. The formation of the Big 12 fifteen years ago was simply a huge mistake and doomed from the start. There was just too much friction over the way the conference was set up and the disagreements between the north and south for it to be a long term conference..

My happy place is the Big 8.....so calming
 

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I think big12 looks into clem/fsu again...those teams have to see that you need to go unbeaten to get in the final four in the acc.how often will that happen??..factor in the paying players,sch. And some of the acc wont compete...maybe create an east division...ship wvu over to that...then have a championship game.
 

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