If Damian Lillard retired today, is he a Hall of Famer?

[Enfuego]

Think it gets redundant to call the OP a clown. But you definitely aren't wrong.

I start a thread asking people if they think Damian Lillard is a Hall of Famer and that makes me a clown.

I've got news for you, I could post anything at the RX and the same 2-3 guys would come in and call me a clown and despite me not interacting with any of them in months, they won't ever stop. It's sad and depressing guys have one way conversations with themselves. They honestly need to just move on.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Meh, I brought good analysis to this here thread

(fwiw he didn't ask if he's HOF, he asked if he is HOF if he retires TODAY which is the absurd part)...

 

[crudebar]

I start a thread asking people if they think Damian Lillard is a Hall of Famer and that makes me a clown.

I've got news for you, I could post anything at the RX and the same 2-3 guys would come in and call me a clown and despite me not interacting with any of them in months, they won't ever stop. It's sad and depressing guys have one way conversations with themselves. They honestly need to just move on.

Get over yourself.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Lillard is a better player then Billups was .
Yea if he does what he’s doing let’s say 3 more years he’s in .

If he retired tomorrow less then 10% I would say .

AD in the same draft as him and an even better player then DL himself is probably not quite in yet .

Although his National Title at CPOTY at Kentucky might be enough to give him that nudge.

But at the end of the day when all is said and done they will both get in .


And the Pelicans came pretty close to drafting both players in the same draft if lilards stock would not have claimed the last 10 days before the draft .

If you look at old mock drafts from 2 weeks before that draft most of them had the pelicans drafting AD and DL .

Then Portland fell in love with him last second and pelicans had to settle for Rivers

quite the downgrade I would say

 

[Ladeda]

basketball reference gives him a 69.9% chance

Lebron-100
Paul 100
KD 100
WEstbrook 99.9
Harden 99.9
Curry 99.8
Howard 99.4
Melo 98.2
Gasol 93.4
AD 91.4
Lowry 85.7
Love 73.5
Lillard 69.9
PG 65.4
Kyree 64.8
Blake 54.8
Kawaii 54.4
Klay 51.3
Aldridge 50.1
Butler 42.5

This list must be 100% based on stats and stats alone. Melo 98.2 Love 73.5 . Are you kidding me, these guys are slightly above league average players when playing on good teams. When playing on bad teams they put up big numbers when there is no one else to score. Even the worst team in the league is still going to score 90+ a night. Somebodies got to get those number, those stats should be worth almost nothing. I personally feel like Melo makes teams worse when he is on them, a negative impact, nothing to do with his personality, just his inefficient game, and clogs things up.

Then you got a guy like Kawaii who plays an all around game, is one of the top players in the league, has led teams to titles at only 54.4. I don't care if he only has 8 great years, HOF Same with Curry, if he had season ending injury today. He's in regardless of stats, just from impact and winning. Both those two guys.


Back to Lillard. Great scorer. If there was a scoring HOF he should be in it. Or at least in it eventually. Doesn't do a whole lot else it seems. Now I get that it's tough for little guys to have great all around numbers. But other small players just seem to have a bigger overall impact other then scoring, whether it's distributing, leadership, defense, whatever. Guys like Curry, Paul, Nash just seem to have a bigger impact then Lillard at the same type of size.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Obviously a model like that is just an approximation and going to be flawed, doesn't take into account a lot of variables like future trajectory.

It works better the second a players career is over.

Not sure why people are so into who makes HOF or not though. This guy isn't going HOF until 2033 at the earliest and we'll be under Chinese rule by then anyway.

 

[CHOPTALK]

This list must be 100% based on stats and stats alone. Melo 98.2 Love 73.5 . Are you kidding me, these guys are slightly above league average players when playing on good teams. When playing on bad teams they put up big numbers when there is no one else to score. Even the worst team in the league is still going to score 90+ a night. Somebodies got to get those number, those stats should be worth almost nothing. I personally feel like Melo makes teams worse when he is on them, a negative impact, nothing to do with his personality, just his inefficient game, and clogs things up.

Then you got a guy like Kawaii who plays an all around game, is one of the top players in the league, has led teams to titles at only 54.4. I don't care if he only has 8 great years, HOF Same with Curry, if he had season ending injury today. He's in regardless of stats, just from impact and winning. Both those two guys.


Back to Lillard. Great scorer. If there was a scoring HOF he should be in it. Or at least in it eventually. Doesn't do a whole lot else it seems. Now I get that it's tough for little guys to have great all around numbers. But other small players just seem to have a bigger overall impact other then scoring, whether it's distributing, leadership, defense, whatever. Guys like Curry, Paul, Nash just seem to have a bigger impact then Lillard at the same type of size.

love is kinda iffy .
But melo is a lock .
This is a basketball HOF not the NBA HOF
Melo won a national title in college and I believe he was player of the year .
When you add that to his NBA accomplishments he is a stone cold 100% lock

And yeah stats do matter lol.
kinda what it’s all about unless you think someone like Robert Harry is more deserving to be in the HOF then say someone like Charles Barkley

 

[crudebar]

This list must be 100% based on stats and stats alone. Melo 98.2 Love 73.5 . Are you kidding me, these guys are slightly above league average players when playing on good teams. When playing on bad teams they put up big numbers when there is no one else to score. Even the worst team in the league is still going to score 90+ a night. Somebodies got to get those number, those stats should be worth almost nothing. I personally feel like Melo makes teams worse when he is on them, a negative impact, nothing to do with his personality, just his inefficient game, and clogs things up.

Then you got a guy like Kawaii who plays an all around game, is one of the top players in the league, has led teams to titles at only 54.4. I don't care if he only has 8 great years, HOF Same with Curry, if he had season ending injury today. He's in regardless of stats, just from impact and winning. Both those two guys.


Back to Lillard. Great scorer. If there was a scoring HOF he should be in it. Or at least in it eventually. Doesn't do a whole lot else it seems. Now I get that it's tough for little guys to have great all around numbers. But other small players just seem to have a bigger overall impact other then scoring, whether it's distributing, leadership, defense, whatever. Guys like Curry, Paul, Nash just seem to have a bigger impact then Lillard at the same type of size.

Love and Melo are in the same tier of super star as were a Ray Allen, Chris Bosh, Paul Pierce, etc. One could also put Lillard into this category. The second tier of stars that can't lead your team to a championship as your best player but can be a top level number 2 on a championship team.

Melo, as was stated, is a lock because of college ball, Love is close but i would put it more at 50/50 right now, but he still has a few years left.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Kevin Love ain't making the HOF...Melo probably will, he had a better career than people think, just didn't really live up to expectations. He was the best player on a conf finals team. You don't really stumble into something like that in the Western conference.

 

[Ladeda]

Kevin Love ain't making the HOF...Melo probably will, he had a better career than people think, just didn't really live up to expectations. He was the best player on a conf finals team. You don't really stumble into something like that in the Western conference.

Gotta admit, I pretty much forgot about Melo's Denver years, He was pretty good back then before he got exposed as kind of a one dimensional scorer.

 

[Enfuego]

Love and Melo are in the same tier of super star as were a Ray Allen, Chris Bosh, Paul Pierce, etc. One could also put Lillard into this category. The second tier of stars that can't lead your team to a championship as your best player but can be a top level number 2 on a championship team.

Melo, as was stated, is a lock because of college ball, Love is close but i would put it more at 50/50 right now, but he still has a few years left.

Melo is a lock because he's #15 right now in all time NBA scorers and by the end of the year could overtake Tim Duncan and Dominique Wilkins on the list. The guy is one of the greatest scorers in NBA History.

 

[Knightrofins]

Melo is a lock because he's #15 right now in all time NBA scorers and by the end of the year could overtake Tim Duncan and Dominique Wilkins on the list. The guy is one of the greatest scorers in NBA History.

Throw in an NCAA championship and a gold medal for Melo

He's in easily

First timer? Not sure

 

[crudebar]

Melo is a lock because he's #15 right now in all time NBA scorers and by the end of the year could overtake Tim Duncan and Dominique Wilkins on the list. The guy is one of the greatest scorers in NBA History.

Good. You watched the game last night to learn this.


His NBA game is obviously part of it, but he is a stone cold lock when you throw in his college basketball resume.

And what Knight mentioned with his Olympic basketball resume.

 

[crudebar]

Throw in an NCAA championship and a gold medal for Melo

He's in easily

First timer? Not sure

People forget how good he was. He was a perennial all-star for a decade. Problem is the game passed him by and he was never able to truly adjust.

 

[CHOPTALK]

The deal is Lebron is an anomaly .
Its not the fact that the game passed Carmelo by.

Its simply a Father Time thing.
Father time is 8456455533573563-1


Since lebron was in the same draft as carmelo just makes him look bad .

 

[PatsFan1283]

The deal is Lebron is an anomaly .
Its not the fact that the game passed Carmelo by.

Its simply a Father Time thing.
Father time is 8456455533573563-1


Since lebron was in the same draft as carmelo just makes him look bad .

The game absolutely changed on him in the '12-14 range when that heavy isoball style wasn't efficient enough to keep up with the pace and space, pick and roll, launch 3's style of the modern game. It changed on some other guys as well, Kevin Love also for somewhat similar and somewhat different reasons.

He was also much easier to hide on D in a more halfcourt, less movement oriented game.

There are different guys that play better in different eras. Ben Simmons lack of shooting wouldn't be as much of a problem if he came along a generation or two earlier.

 

[crudebar]

Carmelo is a high volume lower efficiency shooter. Even a 25 year old Melo would not translate to today's game. He came around at the correct time for his skill set.

Heck, at this time people thought Monte Ellis was a hell of a player. People were falling down all over themselves to lure Dwight Howard.

It's a different game. It's why Kyle Korver and JJ Reddick are still regarded as highly valuable assets and why each has made the play offs for 13 years in a row. Though reddick's streak will end this season.

People and the "father time thing" Of course father time is undefeated because just living eventually becomes too much for the human body to endure.

I am assuming the "1" is Jesus or something.

 

[Enfuego]

Good. You watched the game last night to learn this.


His NBA game is obviously part of it, but he is a stone cold lock when you throw in his college basketball resume.

And what Knight mentioned with his Olympic basketball resume.

You said Melo is a lock to the HOF because of his college game. That's bullshit.

When you're in the top 15 all time in NBA scoring, you're a lock because of what you did in the league not because of college. His college game won't hurt him though.

 

[crudebar]

You said Melo is a lock to the HOF because of his college game. That's bullshit.

When you're in the top 15 all time in NBA scoring, you're a lock because of what you did in the league not because of college. His college game won't hurt him though.

He is a "lock" because of his college and Olympic resume. Would he be a lock if he went straight from HS to the NBA? No. Would he probably make it just from his NBA resume? Yes.

There would be a large group of people that would insist Melo isn't a HOF player based off his NBA career. But when you throw in college and the olympics he is a lock and not many players have a stronger case when that is all considered.

He never won an MVP, never played in the finals and was never a 1st team all-nba player.

 

[Enfuego]

He is a "lock" because of his college and Olympic resume. Would he be a lock if he went straight from HS to the NBA? No. Would he probably make it just from his NBA resume? Yes.

There would be a large group of people that would insist Melo isn't a HOF player based off his NBA career. But when you throw in college and the olympics he is a lock and not many players have a stronger case when that is all considered.

He's a lock for the NBA HOF without his college or Olympic resume. He's going to be a top 10 scorer in the league when all is said and done.