If Damian Lillard retired today, is he a Hall of Famer?

[HarryCaray]

Nope. You really don't think Lillard is a top 20 player?

Yeah, probably, idk, don't pay much attention to the NBA.
Just curious.

 

[Knightrofins]

Nope. You really don't think Lillard is a top 20 player?

he is easily a top 20 player right now.

just not HOF right now

 

[TomGshotput]

Chauncey Billups did more to help his teams in 1200 games than Lillard did in 700, and Billups has not made the Hall-of-Fame. That would make it a no.

 

[Enfuego]

Chauncey Billups did more to help his teams in 1200 games than Lillard did in 700, and Billups has not made the Hall-of-Fame. That would make it a no.

Chauncey played on title teams and was surrounded by good players and coaches too.

 

[TomGshotput]

Chauncey played on title teams and was surrounded by good players and coaches too.

How much a player does to help their team is independent from their teammates and coaches. Allen Iverson was rarely surrounded by good players, yet he did enough to help his teams to make the Hall-of-Fame.

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

Yeah, probably, idk, don't pay much attention to the NBA.
Just curious.

What would it explain? You said it would explain “A LOT”


Can I take a guess at what you meant by “ A LOT”?



1. he likes damian lillard (obviously from Portland)
2. And that you think he’s a liberal(obviously from Portland)



I nailed it, didnt I?


Babahhahahhahahahhaha fucking loser. I know these clowns too well man

 

[Enfuego]

How much a player does to help their team is independent from their teammates and coaches. Allen Iverson was rarely surrounded by good players, yet he did enough to help his teams to make the Hall-of-Fame.

I mean, Iverson played for a title which is something Lillard hasn't even come close to yet.

 

[TomGshotput]

I mean, Iverson played for a title which is something Lillard hasn't even come close to yet.

It seems you're trying to make a case for Lillard, but it's only making him look worse. Making the Finals is a big part of what made Iverson a Hall-of-Fame player. When he did make the Finals he was MVP and the second best player on the team was Eric Snow. Lillard has never been in contention for the MVP and has already played alongside players better than Snow. Iverson has also played in a few hundred more games than Lillard.

 

[crudebar]

He has went further in the play offs then chris paul(lock hofer) ever has.....and Lillard's numbers blow away chauncey billups.

 

[TomGshotput]

He has went further in the play offs then chris paul(lock hofer) ever has.....and Lillard's numbers blow away chauncey billups.

Paul was not a Hall-of-Fame lock for the Hall-of-Fame at age 29. It has taken him an additional five years to get to where he is now. Chauncey Billups has more career win shares and wins over replacement than Lillard.

 

[crudebar]

Paul was not a Hall-of-Fame lock for the Hall-of-Fame at age 29. It has taken him an additional five years to get to where he is now. Chauncey Billups has more career win shares and wins over replacement than Lillard.

Of course he does. To this point Billups had played numerous more seasons.

I am not saying if Lillard retired tomorrow he would be a HOF. What i am saying is ill be shocked if he isn't a HOF at the end of his career.

I started on this when someone said, "Lillard isn't the kind of player that is hard to find"......I mean come on.

 

[Dr.Love]

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is easier to get into.

Haha. Funny.

Of course I was speaking to the HOFs of the pro sports world.

 

[Knightrofins]

basketball reference gives him a 69.9% chance

Lebron-100
Paul 100
KD 100
WEstbrook 99.9
Harden 99.9
Curry 99.8
Howard 99.4
Melo 98.2
Gasol 93.4
AD 91.4
Lowry 85.7
Love 73.5
Lillard 69.9
PG 65.4
Kyree 64.8
Blake 54.8
Kawaii 54.4
Klay 51.3
Aldridge 50.1
Butler 42.5

 

[PatsFan1283]

It seems you're trying to make a case for Lillard, but it's only making him look worse. Making the Finals is a big part of what made Iverson a Hall-of-Fame player. When he did make the Finals he was MVP and the second best player on the team was Eric Snow. Lillard has never been in contention for the MVP and has already played alongside players better than Snow. Iverson has also played in a few hundred more games than Lillard.

Lol, no he wasn’t. That team had Mutombo on it.

And the east was terrible then, ‘99-03 was the nadir for that conference in terms of top flight teams.

No wonder you usually stick to trolling.

 

[crudebar]

Lol, no he wasn’t. That team had Mutombo on it.

And the east was terrible then, ‘99-03 was the nadir for that conference in terms of top flight teams.

No wonder you usually stick to trolling.

How basketball has changed. I remember back then making a prop bet on the nba finals. The prop was "kobe bryant O/U .5 three pointers made in the game" I took the under and won.

Talking about the 2001 nba finals.

 

[TomGshotput]

Lol, no he wasn’t. That team had Mutombo on it.

And the east was terrible then, ‘99-03 was the nadir for that conference in terms of top flight teams.

No wonder you usually stick to trolling.

If making the Finals and winning the MVP was not a big part of what gave Iverson a Hall-of-Fame career, please enlighten us with what was.

Take away that one year and his overall career value does drop down to Billups / Tim Hardaway level.

 

[PatsFan1283]

If making the Finals and winning the MVP was not a big part of what gave Iverson a Hall-of-Fame career, please enlighten us with what was.

Take away that one year and his overall career value does drop down to Billups / Tim Hardaway level.

I never said his hallmark year wasn't a big part of his legacy and thus making HOF.

I said saying Eric Snow was the 2nd best player on that team is laughable and obviously distorts what a feat it was to take that Sixers team to the finals. They had an elite defensive team around him. And also, the East was at its nadir that year.

Lillard is on the trajectory to make the HOF though, I think the OP prob won $ betting on him and it just wasn't enough to start a thread saying "He's a bad motherfucker!", he had to put some Clay Travis/twitter hot take spin on it so he asked an absurd question. Who cares if he would make the HOF if he retired in 20 minutes, he isn't gonna do that and obviously only the truly elite players are making HOF retiring before age 30.

 

[TomGshotput]

I never said his hallmark year wasn't a big part of his legacy and thus making HOF.

I said saying Eric Snow was the 2nd best player on that team is laughable and obviously distorts what a feat it was to take that Sixers team to the finals. They had an elite defensive team around him. And also, the East was at its nadir that year.

Thank you for correcting me about Eric Snow. It was a couple years after making the Finals when he was the Sixers second best player. I can see how you would focus entirely on that, as that oversight does make people laugh and would cause such an extreme distortion of Iverson's career.

 

[Dr.Love]

basketball reference gives him a 69.9% chance

I would imagine this takes into account an expected, continued career trajectory. I doubt these %’s are based on if these players quit their careers today.

 

[crudebar]

I never said his hallmark year wasn't a big part of his legacy and thus making HOF.

I said saying Eric Snow was the 2nd best player on that team is laughable and obviously distorts what a feat it was to take that Sixers team to the finals. They had an elite defensive team around him. And also, the East was at its nadir that year.

Lillard is on the trajectory to make the HOF though, I think the OP prob won $ betting on him and it just wasn't enough to start a thread saying "He's a bad motherfucker!", he had to put some Clay Travis/twitter hot take spin on it so he asked an absurd question. Who cares if he would make the HOF if he retired in 20 minutes, he isn't gonna do that and obviously only the truly elite players are making HOF retiring before age 30.

Think it gets redundant to call the OP a clown. But you definitely aren't wrong.