Iceman, losing streaks are part of the process. Seems like when you are at your lowest emotionally and think it will continue forever is when it turns around on a dime.
You mentioned you are on track for maybe $40K a year. Nothing wrong with that. Lots of people standing in the unemployment lines right now who would love to be making 40K.
Keep up the good work.
You mentioned you are on track for maybe $40K a year. Nothing wrong with that. Lots of people standing in the unemployment lines right now who would love to be making 40K.
Keep up the good work.
Have you tried out your Blackberry yet? I'm wondering how functional Sportsoptions is on it.
Also, how's Vegas been for CBB totals? Who's putting up a full slate, and also, are they waiting until shortly before tip-off to put up lines? Offshore's been dainty this year, scared to death of CBB totals. It's frustrating to me to not be able to be by 1 pm on a Saturday, freeing me up for the most important day of poker, because books won't post numbers by then.
Also, how's Vegas been for CBB totals? Who's putting up a full slate, and also, are they waiting until shortly before tip-off to put up lines? Offshore's been dainty this year, scared to death of CBB totals. It's frustrating to me to not be able to be by 1 pm on a Saturday, freeing me up for the most important day of poker, because books won't post numbers by then.
Let's try this again. Had trouble with my computer and lost an earlier post.
Had an up and down weekend and ended up down about $800 for the weekend. Close to even for the month. I was up almost 3k at one time but we move on. The thing is the group of cappers I follow have went 9-21 their last 30 plays and that has hurt. I made a decision now that going forward other then a few chose sources I am only going to play my own stuff. I just find myself getting so frustrated with others plays. It'a not easy knowing who or when to follow others but after a while you do what you think is right and you make adjustments. It is officiall I have come full circle since I have been here. It is all on my shoulders now and I am fine with it. I know I am working very hard and want this pressure. I have figured some things out with hoops and I feel good about about coming up with my own plays with it. Here is the key and what i will focus on going forward.
You must beat the closing line in my opinion. If you make this your #1 focus you wll eventually win. Trying to beat this stuff against widely availibile numbers is so difficult. I no longer will just jump on the computer and bet a game i have no opinion of at a widely avaibile number. If one can do it more power to it but it is just so hard. Now dont get me wrong I will still be making plays against w/a numbers when I bet some but my goal is too ONLY make plays against numbers I feel will move after I bet them and will close at a worse number then I have. I will only keep that in mind going forward. That has always been somewhat of a focus but going forward it simplifies things to only focus on that. So if I dont feel the bet I am going to make (usually when I blindly follow others) is going to beat the closing line than I will not play it. I will still make a line with every game but I want to make sure my number I plays is better by enough over the closing line. I have a buddy who lives in Pennslyvania and we share a lot of our stuff together and I probably have sent him 20 plays the past few days and most if not al of them have moved in my favor. I know going forward what I am doing works so that is what I will focus on. For example last night I did my NBA plays and felt the Knicks +9 and Nets +5 were off slightly and were moving and would go down and I played them feeling those numbers will beat the closing line in the NBA. My notes say if you beat the NBA sides by a full point from the consensus cloisng line you will win 54-55% thru years and years of data. It wont be easy but no more just playing a game blindly as expecting to beat NBA sides against w/a numbers is too difficult, IMO.
It is all about making great bets. Great bets are defined as having a line I can proudly post at the start of the game. I will also play stuff that I see that is off the consensus numbers, blindly. This will also involve a lot of screen watching. I have won with that in the past and though it is a lot harder to find these plays I will play them when I do see them. I will have a running total on a sheet at all times keeping track of how off far off the numbers are combined. I do need to start putting numbers together earlier in the day and hit openers when they come out, so things will change on that end. As far as going into Vegas to bet I will hit that just early in day as some of the NBA totals are off there and so I will play them blindly. Hope it is worth my time.
The first snow of the season (and hopefully the only) is expected today, 1-3 inches is forecated. Should be interesting. I will take this one snow day and not complain but I hope this is the end of it.
I went out with about 5-10 guys Saturday night. Was really fun comparing stories with all the guys. All of them bet for a living so you can always learn from your peers. We met at Ceasars sportsbooks and hung out there about 4 hours. After hearing everyone talk I feel I am working harder then most. Not a criticsism of them at all, if anything I respect what and how they are doing this. It is not always about working hard, it is about working smart. I do realize how small I am playing when I talk to them but it honestly doesnt bother me. I dont care about impressing others with how much I bet. I am playing very conservaitve to my bankroll. Hopefully one day I will be at their levels. I do notice I am playing a lot more games then them so maybe we are a lot closer at how much money we are betting per month. I am on pace for about a 150k bet for the month. Either way it was a great time and something I want to do more of.
Had an up and down weekend and ended up down about $800 for the weekend. Close to even for the month. I was up almost 3k at one time but we move on. The thing is the group of cappers I follow have went 9-21 their last 30 plays and that has hurt. I made a decision now that going forward other then a few chose sources I am only going to play my own stuff. I just find myself getting so frustrated with others plays. It'a not easy knowing who or when to follow others but after a while you do what you think is right and you make adjustments. It is officiall I have come full circle since I have been here. It is all on my shoulders now and I am fine with it. I know I am working very hard and want this pressure. I have figured some things out with hoops and I feel good about about coming up with my own plays with it. Here is the key and what i will focus on going forward.
You must beat the closing line in my opinion. If you make this your #1 focus you wll eventually win. Trying to beat this stuff against widely availibile numbers is so difficult. I no longer will just jump on the computer and bet a game i have no opinion of at a widely avaibile number. If one can do it more power to it but it is just so hard. Now dont get me wrong I will still be making plays against w/a numbers when I bet some but my goal is too ONLY make plays against numbers I feel will move after I bet them and will close at a worse number then I have. I will only keep that in mind going forward. That has always been somewhat of a focus but going forward it simplifies things to only focus on that. So if I dont feel the bet I am going to make (usually when I blindly follow others) is going to beat the closing line than I will not play it. I will still make a line with every game but I want to make sure my number I plays is better by enough over the closing line. I have a buddy who lives in Pennslyvania and we share a lot of our stuff together and I probably have sent him 20 plays the past few days and most if not al of them have moved in my favor. I know going forward what I am doing works so that is what I will focus on. For example last night I did my NBA plays and felt the Knicks +9 and Nets +5 were off slightly and were moving and would go down and I played them feeling those numbers will beat the closing line in the NBA. My notes say if you beat the NBA sides by a full point from the consensus cloisng line you will win 54-55% thru years and years of data. It wont be easy but no more just playing a game blindly as expecting to beat NBA sides against w/a numbers is too difficult, IMO.
It is all about making great bets. Great bets are defined as having a line I can proudly post at the start of the game. I will also play stuff that I see that is off the consensus numbers, blindly. This will also involve a lot of screen watching. I have won with that in the past and though it is a lot harder to find these plays I will play them when I do see them. I will have a running total on a sheet at all times keeping track of how off far off the numbers are combined. I do need to start putting numbers together earlier in the day and hit openers when they come out, so things will change on that end. As far as going into Vegas to bet I will hit that just early in day as some of the NBA totals are off there and so I will play them blindly. Hope it is worth my time.
The first snow of the season (and hopefully the only) is expected today, 1-3 inches is forecated. Should be interesting. I will take this one snow day and not complain but I hope this is the end of it.
I went out with about 5-10 guys Saturday night. Was really fun comparing stories with all the guys. All of them bet for a living so you can always learn from your peers. We met at Ceasars sportsbooks and hung out there about 4 hours. After hearing everyone talk I feel I am working harder then most. Not a criticsism of them at all, if anything I respect what and how they are doing this. It is not always about working hard, it is about working smart. I do realize how small I am playing when I talk to them but it honestly doesnt bother me. I dont care about impressing others with how much I bet. I am playing very conservaitve to my bankroll. Hopefully one day I will be at their levels. I do notice I am playing a lot more games then them so maybe we are a lot closer at how much money we are betting per month. I am on pace for about a 150k bet for the month. Either way it was a great time and something I want to do more of.
Didnt have time to get the Blackberry all setup. Charging it right now and will switch the sim card tomorrow.
Havent had a chance to pay much attention the CBB totals in town. from the few times I have checked they werent up yet. I am sure they are acraed to death like you said. Dont see much changing till conferecne season.
Feeling a lot better today with the card I have so far. Focusing on beating closing lines and it looks like I am off to a decent start.
So far I have stuff like Cleveland St +13.5, Cal Riverside -3.5, under 132 USC, under 126.5 la lafayeete. NBA I have Milwaukee +5, under 221.5 Golden St, over 199 sacremento, Charlotte +9 -105, Ny Knicks +9, New jersy +4.5, Orlando -2.5 in nfl I have philly (from middle of last week) -14.
I have at least 15-20 more bets either still too make or I think will beat closing line that hasnt moved yet. I have UC davis -1, under 177 loyola marymount (will drop i think), under 224.5 phoenix.
So far I have stuff like Cleveland St +13.5, Cal Riverside -3.5, under 132 USC, under 126.5 la lafayeete. NBA I have Milwaukee +5, under 221.5 Golden St, over 199 sacremento, Charlotte +9 -105, Ny Knicks +9, New jersy +4.5, Orlando -2.5 in nfl I have philly (from middle of last week) -14.
I have at least 15-20 more bets either still too make or I think will beat closing line that hasnt moved yet. I have UC davis -1, under 177 loyola marymount (will drop i think), under 224.5 phoenix.
Pat on the back for myself with the Loyola game just steamming down (even though I put 177, meant 117 but anyways) and LA lafayette total now drops. I have hit all 7 totals and have great numbers on all of them for tonight. I have a great feel right now for CBB totals. Feel like I cracked the code.
Best card I have had all season goes tonight. Now lets see if this translates into some winning. Keep my fingers crossed.
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Iceman - I'm curious about a few things -
How many days a week do you work at this?
How many hours per week?
If you are driving from book to book, that time would be included, as well as the work you do at home - capping, record keeping, etc.
Also - you had mentioned at one time that you had 30 days to evaluate your small laptop. Wondering where you purchased that - the longest return period I've found for computers is 15 days. 30 days trial is a good deal.
Did you keep the laptop incidentally?
How many days a week do you work at this?
How many hours per week?
If you are driving from book to book, that time would be included, as well as the work you do at home - capping, record keeping, etc.
Also - you had mentioned at one time that you had 30 days to evaluate your small laptop. Wondering where you purchased that - the longest return period I've found for computers is 15 days. 30 days trial is a good deal.
Did you keep the laptop incidentally?
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I work at this just like I did before I got here, 7 days a week. I haven't taken a true day off in years that I recall as it dont do anything at all with betting or looking at lines. But please dont feel sorry for me as I love it also. Doesnt really fell like work sometimes but also dont get paid when you dont win either. Maybe I didnt make a bet a few days here and there for that particular day but I made a bet probably everyday during that time but sure somedays I also havent put a lot of attention into it. I have a theory with this that come more and more true the longer I do this. The key is too stay one step ahead of everyone at this. Making bets early and predicting line movement means everything to me. Like tonite I had Philly -14 -103 in the NFL. A guy that showed up to the party late doesnt have this type bet.
I work off and on all day. I very rarely bet in the books in Vegas now that football is done. With hoops i am going to make it a point to go downtown on the big NBA cards like tuesday, wednesday and saturdays and try and catch books sleeping in the early morning but that is it for the day/week for the local books. I like the contests in Vegas for football season and also the parlay cards but the majority of my stuff is done online. I can just get so much more done online.
I would be willing to amount my time I spend on this up against anyone's in any form of work. I know one thing I am working as hard at this then I did in my last job in Michigan. Funny thing is most people I know think this doesnt involve much time, maybe it doesnt for others that do this but look at the bets I made today from an earlier post. I got them by sitting in front of the computer and keeping my eyes on the market combined with the numbers i put together with them. I had a HUGE DAY today and I attribute it all to the time and effort i put into this. Its the old saying with this "the harder I work, the luckier I seem to get".
Laptop I still have. Still dont have much of a use for it, it is damn slow compared to what I am use to. I do have a plan to eventually put it in my truck. The fact I just purchased the new storm by verizion may knock the laptop back a few notches. Purchases like the laptop is one of the reasons I have not saved as much money as I should have since I have been here. I working on improving on stuff like that.
Would you take a look at this thread from earlier today. Talk about a reverse jinx. WOW, LOL!!! This is too funny. I went 13-2 on those above plays and the 2 I lost were games I didn't really beat the closing line so I didnt like as much.
I wasnt able to sleep last night as I put my plan down on paper and felt like I had such a clear head coming into today. Everything felt just right. This is why I was so mad I lost this wekend. I have felt really in tune with all the hoops lines of late. My numbers have finally looked right when compared to the real lines. Like I said I was dead on a lot of the games the past few days and things were really starting too click and then BAM comes yesterdays debacle. I felt like I was so close to having a huge wekend and then some of my NFL stuff collapsed in the afternoon and some of the guys I followed really had a bad day hoops wise. It has been just really frustrating as I feel I am working very hard and very smart and dont really have much to show for it this month. I was really anxious to get back out there today and hit it hard. I just wanted to get off to a good start with this updated version of how I was going to bet with focusing on beating closing lines.
Sad but funny thing is I knocked down my betting a half a notch tonight and didnt win maybe as much is what I usually would have. I was trying to get a feel for this all tonight and some of the new things I was including into my betting. I bet a few openers and did some different things I wasnt use to and it all came together. Feel like I should have won a lot more (dont we always, LOL). Won in the $2,500 range for the night so I cant complain and am very happy.
Here is where the story gets even better. First off let me say I have not beat the NBA this year as a whole. I know I still have LONG LONG way to go with it. Though I have done fairly well with NBA totals, sides have kicked my ass up and down. I really focused on some different things today and with some luck (like every night) and some close wins I honest to god went 14-0 tonight in the NBA. Now I dont get me wrong I played some other stuff also (and didnt do much with those sports). I know I am pulling a tout type statement by just looking at certain sports results and disregarding others but I just thought this was very interesting after I added everything up. I am still probably only a 52% NBA bettor going forward so nothing has changed on that end to be honest with you, who knows maybe I am onto something. I surely hope so but it is going to take a lot more then 14 bets too find out. Like i said I just really felt comfortable with my approach today and thanfully it traslated into winning. Now these NBA plays were only in the $100-200 range (most nights are in the $150-250 range) at that irks me a little bit. I can say I never recall a night like this in one sport with that many bets going and I have did this every night for 2.5 years. I guess I have had nights where I won more units, etc but I mean a perfect night in one sport over 10 games bet is a first that I recall. The saddest part is there is a part of me upset I dropped my average bet down an average of $50 less per play tonite, probably cost myself close to another 1k. Not sure if this is sad I feel this way or sickening I feel this way. Better yet maybe it means I have a killer instinct, LOL.
Just funny how things can change from one day to the next with all this. The famous quote holds so true "they sing the national anthem everyday". It basically means dont get too up or too down as there are always more games tomorrow. Dont panic. That is something I have read a lot in some of the stock psychology books I love. They talk about how preserving your capital is of the utmost importance. Dont do anything stupid. Stay level headed. That can go both ways with this. Dont get too excited or too upset. Take everything in stride. Handle the results with little too no emotion. So with that said, we move onto tomorrow night (but to tell you the truth I am really pumped up right now, LOL). Good night!!!
congrats on a sweet night...............:nohead:
i love your statement now that football is done you are basically done with the vegas sportsbooks?????????
does this mean that almost all of your action is offshore????
that would be my feeling too.... it seems that other than the obviously
payout feature of the vegas books the offshores books are better?:nohead:
good luck today
i love your statement now that football is done you are basically done with the vegas sportsbooks?????????
does this mean that almost all of your action is offshore????
that would be my feeling too.... it seems that other than the obviously
payout feature of the vegas books the offshores books are better?:nohead:
good luck today
Back to work. Actually went to bet at 3am and got up at 7am, LOL. Told you I wouldnt be tired. Not a big card for a tuesday. that kind of sucks.
CP,
Pretty much all offshore. I can go further in-depth but I probably shouldnt on another reason Vegas is better. I will it leave for most of you to figure out but offshore is better IN VEGAS also with that.
Like I said the only reason to go downtown right now for me is too catch books sleeping in early morning on heavy action days. I may go down there today cause I need to cash some tickets. Also in a few contests but those will be ending when football is done.
Parlay cards and poker will hopefully me the biggest reasons to get down there in the later months. May also do some video poker but that is the distant future when things slow way way down and I have the time.
CP,
Pretty much all offshore. I can go further in-depth but I probably shouldnt on another reason Vegas is better. I will it leave for most of you to figure out but offshore is better IN VEGAS also with that.
Like I said the only reason to go downtown right now for me is too catch books sleeping in early morning on heavy action days. I may go down there today cause I need to cash some tickets. Also in a few contests but those will be ending when football is done.
Parlay cards and poker will hopefully me the biggest reasons to get down there in the later months. May also do some video poker but that is the distant future when things slow way way down and I have the time.
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I wanted to thank your for the continuing saga, it reads like a great novel and all the readers can identify with the Iceman character. Below my favorite parts of the story as Ice strives on finding the Path. [my comments]
"Had an up and down weekend and ended up down about $800 for the weekend. Close to even for the month. I was up almost 3k at one time but we move on. The thing is the group of cappers I follow have went 9-21 their last 30 plays and that has hurt. I made a decision now that going forward other then a few chose sources I am only going to play my own stuff. [Classic story line change, the plot thickens as the Iceman realizes his success lies within]I just find myself getting so frustrated with others plays. It's not easy knowing who or when to follow others but after a while you do what you think is right and you make adjustments. It is official I have come full circle since I have been here. It is all on my shoulders now and I am fine with it. I know I am working very hard and want this pressure"...
"...It is all about making great bets. Great bets are defined as having a line I can proudly post at the start of the game". [Truer words have not been written]
I went out with about 5-10 guys Saturday night. Was really fun comparing stories with all the guys. All of them bet for a living so you can always learn from your peers. We met at Ceasars sportsbooks and hung out there about 4 hours. After hearing everyone talk I feel I am working harder then most. Not a criticism of them at all, if anything I respect what and how they are doing this. It is not always about working hard, it is about working smart.
I wasn't able to sleep last night as I put my plan down on paper and felt like I had such a clear head coming into today. Everything felt just right. This is why I was so mad I lost this weekend. I have felt really in tune with all the hoops lines of late. My numbers have finally looked right when compared to the real lines. Like I said I was dead on a lot of the games the past few days and things were really starting too click and then BAM comes yesterdays debacle. I felt like I was so close to having a huge weekend and then some of my NFL stuff collapsed in the afternoon and some of the guys I followed really had a bad day hoops wise. [Damn! I was hoping the Iceman would focus on his plays and rarely play others unless they agreed with him. Iceman modestly oblivious to his talent]It has been just really frustrating as I feel I am working very hard and very smart and don't really have much to show for it this month. I was really anxious to get back out there today and hit it hard. I just wanted to get off to a good start with this updated version of how I was going to bet with focusing on beating closing lines.
Great story, rooting for the Iceman.
"Had an up and down weekend and ended up down about $800 for the weekend. Close to even for the month. I was up almost 3k at one time but we move on. The thing is the group of cappers I follow have went 9-21 their last 30 plays and that has hurt. I made a decision now that going forward other then a few chose sources I am only going to play my own stuff. [Classic story line change, the plot thickens as the Iceman realizes his success lies within]I just find myself getting so frustrated with others plays. It's not easy knowing who or when to follow others but after a while you do what you think is right and you make adjustments. It is official I have come full circle since I have been here. It is all on my shoulders now and I am fine with it. I know I am working very hard and want this pressure"...
"...It is all about making great bets. Great bets are defined as having a line I can proudly post at the start of the game". [Truer words have not been written]
I went out with about 5-10 guys Saturday night. Was really fun comparing stories with all the guys. All of them bet for a living so you can always learn from your peers. We met at Ceasars sportsbooks and hung out there about 4 hours. After hearing everyone talk I feel I am working harder then most. Not a criticism of them at all, if anything I respect what and how they are doing this. It is not always about working hard, it is about working smart.
I wasn't able to sleep last night as I put my plan down on paper and felt like I had such a clear head coming into today. Everything felt just right. This is why I was so mad I lost this weekend. I have felt really in tune with all the hoops lines of late. My numbers have finally looked right when compared to the real lines. Like I said I was dead on a lot of the games the past few days and things were really starting too click and then BAM comes yesterdays debacle. I felt like I was so close to having a huge weekend and then some of my NFL stuff collapsed in the afternoon and some of the guys I followed really had a bad day hoops wise. [Damn! I was hoping the Iceman would focus on his plays and rarely play others unless they agreed with him. Iceman modestly oblivious to his talent]It has been just really frustrating as I feel I am working very hard and very smart and don't really have much to show for it this month. I was really anxious to get back out there today and hit it hard. I just wanted to get off to a good start with this updated version of how I was going to bet with focusing on beating closing lines.
Great story, rooting for the Iceman.
Thanks OR. In a weird way it feels like a novel to me.
I think the best part of my story is I am the everyday guy when it comes to all this. I didnt come here with a huge bankroll or some cant lose system. I am just like everyone on here to extent. I am just trying to beat this very difficult game thru hard work and determination.
I have thought a few times if anyone really cares to hear how I am doing, etc from a gambling standpoint but I honestly think they do as all of the stuff I am going thru most gamblers on here have been down that road so many times before also.
Happy you enjoy reading this. I know most stories have lots of twists and turns in them. I hope my story is just one smooth ride. Not sure when and how this story will end with me being out here or if others will just get bored hearing about it but when that day comes I hope it has a very happy ending for me. Thanks for rooting for me, I need it.
I think the best part of my story is I am the everyday guy when it comes to all this. I didnt come here with a huge bankroll or some cant lose system. I am just like everyone on here to extent. I am just trying to beat this very difficult game thru hard work and determination.
I have thought a few times if anyone really cares to hear how I am doing, etc from a gambling standpoint but I honestly think they do as all of the stuff I am going thru most gamblers on here have been down that road so many times before also.
Happy you enjoy reading this. I know most stories have lots of twists and turns in them. I hope my story is just one smooth ride. Not sure when and how this story will end with me being out here or if others will just get bored hearing about it but when that day comes I hope it has a very happy ending for me. Thanks for rooting for me, I need it.
Iceman - Thanks for answering my previous post.
You never got specific as far as how many hours would you estimate you spend per week on this?
Also, I'm still wondering where you purchased your laptop with the 30 day return policy. Am interested in shopping a computer there.
Would also like to hear your feeling on your new Blackberry Storm. Checked one out today at the Verizon store - I get the feeling a mini-computer would suit me better. The clerk at the store felt that way also.
Did you try an Iphone (I haven't yet) before getting the Storm?
What was it about your small computer that wasn't satisfying, and made you go for the Storm as well?
(I'm trying to decide myself which way to go).
I've got a general question also for anyone reading this - I thought I'd read somewhere that this website now has pm's, but I can't find any sign of it.
You never got specific as far as how many hours would you estimate you spend per week on this?
Also, I'm still wondering where you purchased your laptop with the 30 day return policy. Am interested in shopping a computer there.
Would also like to hear your feeling on your new Blackberry Storm. Checked one out today at the Verizon store - I get the feeling a mini-computer would suit me better. The clerk at the store felt that way also.
Did you try an Iphone (I haven't yet) before getting the Storm?
What was it about your small computer that wasn't satisfying, and made you go for the Storm as well?
(I'm trying to decide myself which way to go).
I've got a general question also for anyone reading this - I thought I'd read somewhere that this website now has pm's, but I can't find any sign of it.
SCOOTER, you need to go into your USER CP to set yourself to Send/Receive PMs. At that point, you'll get a small menu on the top right of your screen for PMs
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ICE, I don't comment much but do appreciate your sharing of your personal Odyssey.
You and I have traded some posts in past couple years sharing our beliefs that with sufficient work, dedication and focus, it's possible to make a profit with sports investing.
Unlike other forms of gambling - notably paramutual and casino - we're not betting against a House that has a guaranteed edge.
Rather, we're betting against other sports investors. And I am confident that very few will invest with the needed work, dedication and focus. Thus, those of us who will make the needed commitments will carry the day.
SheBar is now in her 15th month selling high end furniture after 20 years in other sales work where she had great success. She and I retain an interest in possible relocation out to Nevada with a lot of it founded on her getting another 12-18 months in this industry so she's got the ability to relocate into a legitimate and viable opportunity.
My lawn/garden work and cyber based work for DrugSense and now the Rx makes me very transportable.
So I like reading of your ventures and what all such a move entails.
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ICE, I don't comment much but do appreciate your sharing of your personal Odyssey.
You and I have traded some posts in past couple years sharing our beliefs that with sufficient work, dedication and focus, it's possible to make a profit with sports investing.
Unlike other forms of gambling - notably paramutual and casino - we're not betting against a House that has a guaranteed edge.
Rather, we're betting against other sports investors. And I am confident that very few will invest with the needed work, dedication and focus. Thus, those of us who will make the needed commitments will carry the day.
SheBar is now in her 15th month selling high end furniture after 20 years in other sales work where she had great success. She and I retain an interest in possible relocation out to Nevada with a lot of it founded on her getting another 12-18 months in this industry so she's got the ability to relocate into a legitimate and viable opportunity.
My lawn/garden work and cyber based work for DrugSense and now the Rx makes me very transportable.
So I like reading of your ventures and what all such a move entails.
