I was poor, but a GOP die-hard: How I finally left the politics of shame

[Willie99]

a few other churchill beauties...let's just say i'm not a big fan of his

(During first World War): “Perhaps the next time round the way to do it will be to kill women, children and the civilian population.” (have to give him this one as he practiced what he preached in WWII)

“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.” (what else to expect from a British Imperialist who didn't believe Ireland and India had a right to freedom?)

“The unnatural and increasingly rapid growth of the feeble-minded and insane classes, coupled as it is with a steady restriction among all the thrifty, energetic and superior stocks, constitutes a national and race danger which it is impossible to exaggerate… I feel that the source from which the stream of madness is fed should be cut off and sealed up before another year has passed.” (yep, straight up eugenics ... sterilize the dumb and colored"

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while those quotes stay hidden we all know his famous one:

“We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.”

blah blah blah

nobody knows about those quotes? I posted this one at least 10 times in this forum alone

“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”

love that quote, so damn true


as for the other quotes, they may be better understood (or exposed) if we knew the entire context of the conversation

some quotes stand alone, don't need elaboration, were apparently intended to be the beginning and the end

other quotes were obviously part of a bigger statement, words that can easily be taken out of context when they stand alone


a modern day massive distortion of a quote. "medicare will whither on the vine", a flat out bold face lie about what Newt said back in the late 1990's. What he said was (paraphrasing) "we're going to give people better options, and people will choose options which work better for them, and when they do, medicare part B will whither on the vine". The polar opposite result from the truth.

so without full context, I can't attack nor defend Churchill's words. I do like frank talk, and I prefer brutal honesty. Do you think WWII was fought as a politically correct war? I hate weak ass ineffective intellectually dishonest politically correct bullshit.

I will also say there is no person on earth that I agree with all the time, although I do agree with myself most of the time. Anyhow, I judge a man by the body of his work.

 

[Willie99]

My question is this? Why did this topic of free loading become such a main topic since Obama took office? Was it the Tea Party or just the first topic the right could come up with to denounce O? The people I know who abuse the system just didn't start the past 6 years, this shit has been going on for some time now. I know people will say he has over extended and I know I will get shit, but the economy was in very bad shape, without more money being given to the poor, the economy would have fallen further behind? Wouldn't have? I would really like to know what the numbers are on a percentage of how many people are abusing the system. I guess we would all like to know. As far as socialism vs. Capitalism, well I think you need a balance of both somehow. I am not saying an equal balance but socialism has to fit in somewhere.

welfare fraud and abuse and the living by the mailbox career as been an issue my entire professional life beginning in the 1980's. Welfare reform has been on the table since RR, and Bubba and Newt actually passed significant welfare reform legislation in the late 1990's.

The reasons it's becoming a bigger issue today than ever is really pretty obvious

1) Obamacare, which gave birth to the Tea Party movement
2) Obama gutting and undoing of Bill & Newt's welfare reform legislation, took out provisions pertaining to "working"
3) the massive growth in welfare rolls under the Obama administration, in both raw numbers and percentages participating (Obama actually is proud of this)

 

[russ1945]

I'm going nowhere. It's too much fun to see what a doddering old fool like you comes up with. PROVE that he didn't have College loans. Should be fun. Maybe you'll quote lying Fraud Wayne Allyn Root again. ointer:

No it would be up to you to prove he had student loans not me. Again, he was 39 when they released that tax info for the first year. Again, Michelle could have had loans and Barry not. Simple enough. Again, you mention Root not me. You just don't get it.

 

[russ1945]

That was quick. Shit, Vit would call it a KO before you even got to the ring, as he usually scored against you. Thanks for playing, and running away, smartly. Good luck in your College Football.

Here is one name for you - see if you can return this KO.

Frank Marshall Davis

 

[russ1945]

Here is one more to chew on:

Rashid Khalidi

 

[russ1945]

What the heck one more:

Khalid Al-Mansour

 

[russ1945]

I thought so.

 

[The Guesser]

I thought so.

You "thought"? No, you didn't, and don't. That's your problem, among many. I'm not on your clock, nutcase.
Frank Marshall Davis was a Guy who was friends with Obama's Grandparents back in Hawaii when Barry was a kid. Interesting Dude, poet, labor leader, maybe even a Communist, but in his era of labor activism, EVERYONE was branded a Commie by the Insane McCarthyism of the time, so who knows, or cares. Died in 1987. Got some mention in Obama's Book. Some true Nutters actually think he's Obama's "Real" father, when they're not thinking it was Malcolm X, Bill Ayres, or some Canadian Dude or whatever lie they can come up with to avoid the FACT of where he was born and who he was born to.

 

[The Guesser]

Here is one more to chew on:

Rashid Khalidi

Obama covered this subject well. I'll let his words speak on this. Khalidi also has association with McCain.

"You mentioned Rashid Khalidi, who’s a professor at Columbia," Obama said. "I do know him because I taught at the University of Chicago. And he is Palestinian. And I do know him and I have had conversations. He is not one of my advisors; he’s not one of my foreign policy people. His kids went to the Lab school where my kids go as well. He is a respected scholar, although he vehemently disagrees with a lot of Israel’s policy.” But then Obama pushed back, launching a broader defense of his associations, while acknowledging that some past relationships have caused people in the Jewish community concerns.
“To pluck out one person who I know and who I’ve had a conversation with who has very different views than 900 of my friends and then to suggest that somehow that shows that maybe I’m not sufficiently pro-Israel, I think, is a very problematic stand to take," he said. "So we gotta be careful about guilt by association.”

Obama said that members of the U.S. Congress have expressed anti-black sentiments but they are still his friends and it doesn’t mean that he avoids dealing with them.
During his closing remarks, Obama launched his fiercest defense of the rumors about his background and heritage, and the e-mail campaign that has targeted him during the course of the campaign –- making the one last case to Jewish voters that he is pro-Israel.
“If you get one of these e-mails that says I’m a Muslim — not true, never been a Muslim — this is just stuff that is designed to make people suspicious," Obama said. “There is not a single trace of me being anything more than a friend of Israel and a friend of the Jewish people. … And so I would just ask –because this is part of, I think, the tradition of the Jewish people — is to judge me by what I say and what I’ve done, don’t judge me because I’ve got a funny name, don’t judge me because I’m African American and, you know, people are concerned about sort of memories of the past. I mean, I was reading the New York Times article today and it was troubling — because it’s exactly what I am fighting in the African American community when I hear anti-Semitic statements.”


Mccain and Khalidi. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/mccain-funded-work-of-pal_n_138606.html

 

[The Guesser]

What the heck one more:

Khalid Al-Mansour

No one Obama ever knew. A Senile Percy Sutton mistakenly thought there was a connection, but FACTS showed there was not. Senility sucks.
[h=2]Obama camp denies Sutton story - Ben Smith: Obama camp denies Sutton story[/h] [h=5]September 04, 2008[/h] [h=5]Categories:[/h]

• Barack Obama

[h=1]Obama camp denies Sutton story[/h] Barack Obama's campaign is flatly denying a story told by former Manhattan Borough President Percy Sutton, who cast an ex-Black Panther turned Muslim businessman and lecturer as a key Obama mentor but whose story seems off in at least one key detail.
Sutton's story, told in what NY1 said was a March 25 interview, has been lighting up the conservative blogs for the last week.
Sutton, now in his late 80s and mostly off the public stage, told NY1's Dominic Carter that he was asked to write a letter of recommendation to Harvard Law School on Obama's behalf by a man named Khalid al-Mansour of Texas, "the principle adviser to one of the world's richest men" who was also "raising money for [Obama]."
Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt told Politico that "Obama did not know and does not know Khalid al-Mansour."

LaBolt said Obama doesn't have a relationship with Sutton and that "to our knowledge, no such letter was written." Obama was in Chicago, not New York, when he applied to Harvard.
The person to whom Sutton was apparently referring, al-Mansour, is a former Black Panther and an adviser to Saudi royalty who has produced, as Amanda Carpenter noted, some YouTube clips that would light up cable television if he's actually been close to Obama. He's also been quoted backing the Palestinian side in the Middle East conflict, though he has not been quoted supporting violence there. NewsMax's Kenneth Timmerman reported yesterday that he spoke to al-Mansour, who wouldn't comment on Sutton's story.
"Any statement that I made would only further this activity which is not in the interest of Barack," al-Mansour is quoted as saying.
Sutton's story is particularly difficult to follow at one point: that al-Mansour was "raising money" for Obama. Obama attended Harvard with the help of student loans, as the Sun-Times' Lynn Sweet reported in detail at one point, writing that he had $42,753 in debt.

I left messages for al-Mansour and for Sutton, but haven't heard back. Sutton, an eminence in Harlem politics, has not been well lately, people who know him said; I also left a message for his son.
Sutton supported Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary and was quoted saying of Obama at the time, "We don't know the other person in this election — we've never met him."
UPDATE: I spoke to Mansour Thursday evening, who said he'd avoided directly contradicting the story out of respect for Sutton, "a dear friend, his health is not good."
But pressed, he denied all the details of Sutton's story.

"The scenario as it related to me did not happen," he said.

"I’m sure he’s written a letter [to someone else] and he got it confused somehow," he said of Sutton, adding that he'd never asked Sutton to write a letter to any university supporting anyone's admission.

Mansour said he admires Obama, but first heard of him when a relative sent him a copy of Obama's 2004 convention speech.

"I've never met him," he said.

 

[The Guesser]

 

[akphidelt]

Damn, Russ just got his ass beat!! Fun to watch. Good job Guesser!

 

[The Guesser]

Damn, Russ just got his ass beat!! Fun to watch. Good job Guesser!

He'll post some BS from the Right Wing Nutter Blogosphere where he worships, and which he thinks is "news", and tell me "I Don't get it and never will." Vintage Russ. @)

 

[russ1945]

I would like to begin by saying that it is obvious you did not fully check Obama out before you voted for him. It is obvious that you have done some googling here recently. Can you honestly say you knew who Frank Marshall Davis was before you voted for Obama much less his background and relationship with Obama.

Frank Marshall Davis – Yes he knew Obama’s grandparents and they all lived in Hawaii at the same time. You say he was “maybe even a communist” then you say “who cares”. Well many do or should. Yes he is mentioned in Obama’s book, why, because he was a big influence on Obama in his younger years. He refers to a “Frank” in his book and do you think maybe that was not a reference to Davis who was among other things a self proclaimed poet. He was in fact a “mentor” of Obama’s .

Dr. Kathryn Takara, a professor of Interdisciplinary Studies at the University of Hawaii at Manoa who also confirms that Davis is the "Frank" in Obama’s book, did her dissertation on Davis and spent much time with him between 1972 until he passed away in 1987. Asked why Takara thought Obama didn't identify Frank in his book by his full name, she replied, "Maybe, he didn't want people delving into it."

Here is one that you can take or leave but it gives one pause to consider that it could be true. Unlike Guesser I do not dismiss anything that does not fit his narrow minded point of view.

HONOLULU, Hawaii -- The late Marxist activist Frank Marshall Davis, frequently accompanied by young Barack Obama and his grandfather Stanley Armour Dunham, sold marijuana and cocaine from a "Chicago style" hot dog cart Davis operated near his home on Kuhio Avenue in Waikiki in the early 1970s, WND has established.

A credible source, a well-known resident of Honolulu who spoke at length on condition he not be named, disclosed that Davis was the source of drugs consumed by Obama. Davis was also the author of an autobiographical novel boasting of "swinging" and sex with minors, a copy of which was obtained from Andrew Walden, a resident of Hilo on the island of Hawaii and publisher of the Hawaii Free Press...

..."Obama was a young kid, about 14 or 15 years old," the source said. "I was told his name was Barry, and there was no doubt Barry knew Davis was selling marijuana and cocaine as well as hot dogs from the stand."

Now obviously Guesser will dismiss this but Obama admits to using drugs in his younger days. So you connect your own dots. Davis – communist ties – drugs – young Obama – communist ties – they all moved to Chicago from Hawaii. You can go on and on.
Guesser mentions that I would use a “far right” source to get to my points. I would suggest looking into theobamafile.com which is upfront anti-Obama just like me and for many of the same reasons. You can take it or leave it but you can draw your own conclusions. To completely ignore what that site presents simply shows that the one ignoring is not interested in getting to the truth. To get to the truth you have to consider the sources something that morons like Guesser never do. You might also check into a book entitled “THE COMMUNIST Frank Marshall Davis: The Untold Story of Barrack Obama’s Mentor by a guy named Kengor. There are many question marks about Obama’s past and his connections but one has to go that extra mile to get there and to separate fact from fiction. Guesser is so stupid that he even suggests that “Everyone was branded a Commie by the Insane McCarthism of the time, so who knows, or cares.” Well I do. I came to my own conclusions, you should do the same. But the one thing I will not do is shrug my shoulders, give someone a pass, and vote for him because he promises hope and change.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

Damn, Russ just got his ass beat!! Fun to watch. Good job Guesser!

:kissingbb

 

[MantisToboggan]

:kissingbb

Quality post, Dave. Thanks for adding something to the conversation.

 

[russ1945]

Rashid Khalidi – in your own words you say “I’ll let his (Obama’s) words speak on this" . What’s new. You don’t think for yourself your just accept whatever Obama says and take it as truth instead of what it is really worth. Typical.

So Obama admits to knowing Khalidi and then distances himself (just like he did with Reverend Wright) by saying he is not one of his advisors or one of my foreign policy people. He does admit that Khalidi “vehemently disagrees with a lot of Israel’s policy.” Hmm, seems like Israel is being hung out to dry by Obama as we speak. I digress lol. Obama also admits that Khalidi is Palestenian.

The following has to do with an anti-Israel event hosted by Khalidi and his wife which Obama reportedly attended in 2003:
In a piece in April 2008, Wallsten ( an LA Times reporter) reported that while praising Khalidi, Obama reminisced about conversations over meals prepared by the professor's wife, Mona Khalidi.

Unreported by Wallsten was that the event was sponsored by Mona Khalidi's anti-Israel Arab American Action Network, which, as WND first reported, received large sums of money from the Woods Fund, an ultra-liberal Chicago nonprofit for which Obama served as a board member alongside Weather Underground radical William Ayers.

According to Wallsten's account of the farewell dinner, Obama said his talks with the Khalidis served as "consistent reminders to me of my own blind spots and my own biases. … It's for that reason that I'm hoping that, for many years to come, we continue that conversation – a conversation that is necessary not just around Mona and Rashid's dinner table," but around "this entire world."

Khalidi's farewell dinner was replete with anti-Israel speakers.

While MEI Director at Coumbia’s School of International and Public Affairs Khalidi presided over a $300,000 grant from the federal government.

So back to what Obama said about Khalidi about plucking on one person who I know about his association with Khalidi suggests “that somehow that shows that maybe I’m not sufficiently pro-Israel, I think, is a very problematic stand to take.” Just take a look at what is going on in Israel right now, very problematic to use Obama’s own words. But what is more problematic is that Obama is the least supportive US President Israel has ever had to deal with. My what a coincidence. I guess guesser sees Obama as someone who is totally an independent thinker who has never been influenced by anyone. Ok. And Obama is the same guy who hears about things like the IRS and VA scandals on the news just like everyone else. Again, you can draw your own conclusions. For people like guesser people like Khalidi were just passers in the night. LOL

 

[russ1945]

Khalid Al-Monsour - for this guy I will simply post an article on him from theobamafile.com. Again this site is not an Obama apologist lol. They have dug where no one else has dug and asembled much information. Again, you can take it or leave it but it presents things that you will never find in Liberal Land. You can dissect this article same as I did. There are many dots to connect or disconnect when it comes to Al-Monsour. Guesser wanted a post from a far right wing source who here is one. See what you think.

Items are archived in the order of discovery.

Khalid Al-Mansour -- Mystery Man

Khalid al-Mansour is the "mystery man" that former Manhattan Borough Chairman Percy Sutton named as having aided Barack Obama financially at Harvard Law School. He also mentored Black Panthers’ founders Huey Newton and Bobby Seale in the early 1960s -- video. He met and befriended Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, the world’s 19-th wealthiest person, when the prince was studying at Menlo College in California in the late 1970s. Signs of al-Mansour’s work exists in Malaysia, Brazil, South Africa, Saudi Arabia, and spans four decades in the United States,

Introduced Obama To Harvard​

Old videos appear to show that a radical Muslim named Khalid Al-Mansour helped Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama gain acceptance into Harvard Law School. Civil rights activist Percy Sutton recalled being solicited by Dr. Khalid A-Mansour to write a letter of recommendation to help Obama gain acceptance into Harvard Law School in this undated television interview available HERE. "I was introduced to him [Obama] by a friend who was raising money for him and the friends name was Dr. Khalid al Mansour from Texas," Sutton said. "He is the principle adviser to one of the world's richest men. He told me about Obama. He wrote to me about him and his introduction was 'there is a young man that has applied to Harvard and I know that you have a few friends left there because you used to go up there to speak, would you please write a letter in support of him?'...I wrote a letter in support of him to my friends at Harvard saying to them I thought there was a genius that was going to be available and I sure hoped they would treat him kindly." More . . . There are many videos available on the internet featuring Khalid Al-Mansour, who describes himself as an author, scholar and businessman, blasting the Jewish culture and Christianity and preaching the virtues of Islam, reminiscent of the controversial clips discovered of Obama’s longtime friend and former pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright that rocked headlines earlier this spring. In one of the videos, titled "Christians Designed Discrimination" uploaded by a YouTube user named IslamStudios, Al-Mansour said, "White people don't feel bad, whatever you do to them, they deserve it, God wants you to do it and that's when you cut out the nose, cut out the ears, take flesh out of their body, don't worry because God wants you to do it." He also draws lines between whites and African Americans. "The Christianity that white people got and the Christianity that black people got was not the same," he added. In this video, Al-Monsour said white people fear Islam. "The whites are saying we can’t take over Islam, we are going to destroy it. They don’t care if you become a Buddhist, they don’t care if you are a Confuscist, you can be a Christian, you can be anything in this world you want, the only thing they are afraid of is Islam because there is 1 billion 200 million, they don’t want you with that league!

Obama's "Angels"

Obama's unwillingness to allow the American public to see his records at Harvard Law School prevents resolution of a continuing controversy over whether radical Islamic influences promoted his admission and financed his legal education there. In an appearance on the New York-produced "Inside City Hall" television show, octogenarian Harlem lawyer Percy Sutton -- whose clients included Malcolm X, and the Black Panthers -- explained that Islamic radical Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour, "one of the world's wealthiest men," asked him to write a letter of recommendation to Harvard Law School for then relatively unknown Barack Obama. In the video, Sutton says he was introduced to Obama by al-Mansour, a Saudi citizen, who "was then raising money" for Obama. Sutton described al-Mansour as being from Texas, saying al-Mansour was the "principal adviser to one of the world's richest men," most likely Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal. Investigative journalist Jack Cashill has reported that al-Mansour serves on the board of, among others, Saudi African Bank and was responsible for the Africa investment activities of Kingdom Holdings, Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal's investment company. Cashill also noted that al-Mansour is a frequent lecturer at Harvard. In August 2008, Amanda Carpenter documented several of al-Mansour's screeds against Christians and Jews on YouTube.com here, here, here, and here. Before he abandoned his "slave name," al-Mansour was known as Don Warden, an African-American radical who founded the Afro-American Association in the Oakland Bay Area and was instrumental in creating the Black Panthers. Clearly demonstrating that Obama had the support of Islamic foreign interests for more than 20 years.

AKA Donald Warden

Bill Ayers father Thomas Ayers, the rich and powerful former Chairman and CEO of Commonwealth Edison and dear friend to the overtly corrupt Chicago left-wing political machine of Mayor Richard J. Daley, served on both corporate and community organizing efforts with none other than Black Panther mentor Dr. Khalid Al-Mansour .......(aka Donald Warden). Donald Warden was the 1960s community organizer behind the Black Nationalist movement known as the Black Panthers. Warden later adopted the Islamic faith and the name Khalid Al-Mansour, when he became the international deal-maker and fixer for the Saudi Royal Family. Warden has been the international business partner and front-man for Prince Alwaleed bin Talal since the 70’s. You will remember bin Talal as the Saudi Prince that angered Mayor Rudy Giuliani with his $10 million dollar check days after 9/11, which he blamed on America. In a May 2008 TV interview, another community organizer from New York City, Percy Sutton, explained how he was contacted by dear friend Donald Warden (aka Khalid Al-Mansour), who was “raising money for Obama’s education” at the time. Warden asked Sutton to write a letter to help Obama gain admission into Harvard Law School, which Sutton did write. No records of how Obama paid for tuition at Occidental, Columbia or Harvard, have been released by the Obama campaign. The community organizing connections also led to Obama’s twenty year relationship with radical anti-America racist Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

 

[russ1945]

Damn, Russ just got his ass beat!! Fun to watch. Good job Guesser!

As usual you spoke to soon. What's new loser. GUESS you were wrong lol.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

Quality post, Dave. Thanks for adding something to the conversation.

Go fuck yourself. How's that for quality.

:sadbb: