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I agree Romo, but watching rat wangers like Roadie and TheRightSide sweat whether the federal govt. is going to bail their ass out after all their whining about federal waste on food stamps etc is satisfying in a convoluted way.



Why thats what you want isn't it. Everyone on the gov's dime. That should make you happy.

So you get a good feeling knowing the pain and suffering thats going to happen if they all go out. What a loser you are. Yet you don't mind giving my money to people that never work and never pay taxes? LOL Makes you an idiot.

Hey one way or the other I will make it.
 

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I agree Romo, but watching rat wangers like Roadie and TheRightSide sweat whether the federal govt. is going to bail their ass out after all their whining about federal waste on food stamps etc is satisfying in a convoluted way.



Oh yeah another thing dickweed. It's a loan not a give away. Chrysler paid back the loan they got in the 80's. Hell the gov made money on that deal.


What would you like for this to work out or not?
 

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Its not how I want it but good people find themselves in trouble sometimes and only a narrow minded orge would think that they should not recive help when they are surrounded by the richest nation in the world.
 

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Oh yeah another thing dickweed. It's a loan not a give away. Chrysler paid back the loan they got in the 80's. Hell the gov made money on that deal.


What would you like for this to work out or not?


So because the government made money off one bailout in the 70's automatically translates into future profits for future bailouts?

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The reality is that the government is going to get screwed on most of this money from these bailouts and that includes the coming loan to the "Big 3". With that said, back then the situation with Chrysler was isolated.... now its too much exposure and too much competition now. How prevalent was the foreign automakers back then here in the states? It wasn't in the same neighborhood, and the US was still dominating back then because the Japanese cars were said to be unreliable. Now that tables have turned. Its the Americans that put out over priced unreliable garbage, and the proof is in the numbers...

The Big Three continues to lose market share, 15 percentage points over the last 17 years to be exact (71.6% in 1990 to 56.6% today), see chart above. A 15 percent loss of market share translates to more than 2.25 millions vehicles per year that are NOT being produced any more by the Big Three.

Capitalism is Darwinism. Its the survival of the fittest. Far from perfect and often cold...but fair. The best man or company for the job. You fuck up. You lose. Someone else in line behind you will get their shot.

Any real Republican could never be in favor of these bailouts.
 

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It's not as though the big 3 have received no help from our govt. Tax laws passed around 1990 gave all business a break if they used a 3/4 ton vehicle such as a Suburban etc. Makes sense lets burn that gas.

Well here come the Japs with Sequoia's, Armada's and all the rest chanting "anything you can do we can do better".

Looks like the only answer is close the borders. Forget that fence along the Rio grande lets fence off NY harbor, Wall up LA.
 

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Constitutionally speaking, the preamble includes the words, "to provide for the common defense" and "to promote the general welfare."

When you look at ALL the government handouts, every last one ignores the most basic objectives of this government according to the framers words. I am very much against Uncle Sam wearing Daddy Warbucks' hat in any way. It always leads to excess, waste and mismanagement and it often rewards slackers thus perpetuating poverty, not helping to reduce or end it.

I could live with a bailout with strings attached and some expensive interest for the sake of us who foot all the bills. But it must be conditional and address the problems that put the big 3 behind the Japanese in the marketplace or it's throwing good money away. I don't believe in most government entitlements either, especially straight up welfare and subsidized business because it encourages laziness and non-productivity. Makes no difference to me whether it's a business entitlement or for a person.

There's a difference between "promoting" and "providing" for the general welfare. Today, the way welfare or any entitlement or bailout or government hand out is applied, it's almost all unconstitutional... save for the excuses and exceptions born from some kind of "spin" mentality which alters the simple meaning of those 2 words.
 
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I agree Romo, but watching rat wangers like Roadie and TheRightSide sweat whether the federal govt. is going to bail their ass out after all their whining about federal waste on food stamps etc is satisfying in a convoluted way........................................................................................I never said I wanted a bailout I said they should file Chapter 11 & reorganise.RR
 

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Roadie, if they file a chapter 11 it will get rid of the stockholders (they have already lost their ass) but it also gets rid of all the debt to their suppliers. Which would bankrupt them. And on and on plus bankruptcy fees and trustees fees.

Going broke aint cheep.

Might be the way but it has cost.
 
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Roadie, if they file a chapter 11 it will get rid of the stockholders (they have already lost their ass) but it also gets rid of all the debt to their suppliers. Which would bankrupt them. And on and on plus bankruptcy fees and trustees fees.

Going broke aint cheep.

Might be the way but it has cost.
Just going by what Mitt Romney said.
 
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Who the fuck cares about anything Michael Moore has to say unless you need a cheerleader because you are an emotionally blinded liberal fanatic.

He's nothing more than a left wing pseudo-political pundit with an agenda that just happens to include obscene profits for himself taken from those who would pay money to see a very biased individual who is corrupted by his own spun-to-shit beliefs exposing a corrupt industry. It takes one to know one I guess.

If he was true to his beliefs, he'd have donated all the profits to those who he claims Detroit has hurt. But no, you will find him living lavishly on the profits he's usurped from telling their story... sort of like blood money. No problem at all if you are in with the Hollywood crowd.

His brand of PR is nothing more than an attempt to smear Detroit, exaggerate the problems that had nothing to do with why the big 3 are in trouble. He completely disregards the factors that led to the mess... and being as closely as involved with Detroit that he has been, don't say he didn't think that it was coming. If there's no bailout, Detroit will go under and so will many of the workers and so will a lot of management... not Michael Moore. He's taken the money and run off with it a long time ago.

It comes to mind now... perhaps his smearing has cast Detroit in the wrong bad light, worsening their public image in ways that could not possibly be constructive. I bet his irresponsible campaign was in part responsible for the problems Detroit has today. Any partner of George Soros is no friend of anyone.
 
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As far as I am aware, none of the western car companies have survived without government help.

Thatcher refused to help in the 1980s and our car companies ceased to exist.

That which remains tends to be the brand name, under foreign ownership.
Maybe the chinese would like to buy Ford or GM.
 

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