I dont know if ISIS can be beat.

[ML Dog]

100% whole heartedly agree the U.S. intervention in IRAQ caused ISIS. We're reaping what we sowed. Failed in Vietnam / Failed in the midde east. Unfucking real that idiots in our country don't realize this. Every empire has it's time. Looks like ours is beginning to end.

"Failure" is the key question.

Were these actual Failures when they made their biggest supporters very wealthy?

When those who gave Our Dear Leaders the most made a shit-ton of money from those wars?

Not to mention other sales of armaments overseas?

Could be no greater Failure as far as the Wives, Mothers, Daughters, Brothers, Sisters, other family & friends of those who lost their lives in those wars and the many Men & Women who died in these wars or were left injured from these were concerned of course.

I am far from sure that Politicians though, The War Pigs have the same measurement for Failure as they.

Its possible that these were great successes for them and those who support & control them. War is big business. When you look at the numbers involved it can't help but occur to you that not having War would be a Great Loss to a lot of people and very costly to many people.


Most if not All of whom just happen to be among our Politician's Largest Supporters.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money...10-companies-profiting-most-from-war/1970997/


In January 1961, US President Dwight D Eisenhower used his farewell address to warn the nation of what he viewed as one of its greatest threats: the military-industrial complex composed of military contractors and lobbyists perpetuating war.

Eisenhower warned that "an immense military establishment and a large arms industry" had emerged as a hidden force in US politics and that Americans "must not fail to comprehend its grave implications".



The speech may have been Eisenhower's most courageous and prophetic moment.



Fifty years and some later, Americans find themselves in what seems like perpetual war.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/op...ary-industrial-complex-20141473026736533.html

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

And sure they can be beat, not wiped out, but they can be made irrelevant. Compare to the KKK; at one time, a very powerful organization of terror. We disrupted, defunded, and changed the culture on their views which had a huge impact. KKK can't recruit like they used to because the culture has changed, plus we've pretty much bankrupted them every where they operate. The KKK still exist, but they are weak, and no where near cause the type of violence they used to. They're pretty much dormant on the violence now.

Changing the culture of how middle easterners view the West will play a major factor in winning. We're not going to change the culture there, as long as we keep a foreign policy of interventionism.

culture and beliefs are two different things. Their culture is fine. Their beliefs are fucked. KKK were american citizens too. I hear you but this is a different animal

 

[KingTotal]

Some people made an insane amount of money from that war, so I would say they looked at it as a success.

For the rest of the world ... we pick up the pieces being spoon fed pr spin as to why, who, where do we go from here.

 

[Vlad the Impaler]

Obama supporters are funny. It was obvious from the beginning. It's like taking that fresh young black quarterback with the 3rd pick overall. And they keep doing it every year. This country loves to show you how un-racist they are. There will be another Obama after the girl fails. Until someone stands up and just flat out says "This is a white only job, blacks to the back of the bus"

 

[ML Dog]

Some people made an insane amount of money from that war, so I would say they looked at it as a success.

For the rest of the world ... we pick up the pieces being spoon fed pr spin as to why, who, where do we go from here.

Devastation Man.

Sheer Devastation.

Most Sickening part of all though is how our Presidents

none of which have spent a day within the Military

let alone amidst the Horrors of War

then go on and on and on about how deeply they care about our Wounded Warriors

and those Families, Friends whose lives their War forever changed.

Then they go play Golf with the Big Brass at General Dynamics.

Its a complex world.

I don't claim to have answers.

I'm not even sure there are answers.

If there are they are not easy answers.

 

[RenoChazz]

culture and beliefs are two different things. Their culture is fine. Their beliefs are fucked. KKK were american citizens too. I hear you but this is a different animal

Beliefs plays a big role in culture though. And as far as the war on drugs, we're losing because we are doing it wrong. We put non-violent people in jail, while creating a black market culture of violence.

Look at cigarettes, everyone smoked when I was a kid, everyone. Now it's a lot fewer. That didn't happen because we made them illegal, and put people in jail, it happened because it was legal and heavily regulated, all the while as we were changing the culture on how cigarette use was viewed through education.

There's a culture of distrust of the west there, because we try to force things with violence, instead of through free trade and good ideals. We can blame it all on their religion all we want, and keep using force but that's our mistake.

The bible says to stone women who cheat on their husbands. I don't see that happening, and it's not because we wiped out all the Christians, and changed their beliefs. It doesn't happen because our culture has changed.

 

[ML Dog]

Changing the culture of how middle easterners view the West will play a major factor in winning. We're not going to change the culture there, as long as we keep a foreign policy of interventionism.

Among the best points yet and truest truths stated.

This takes us back to The Military Industrial Complex though.

Huge Profit Center that....intervening in The Middle East.

Not just for the Defense Contractors either.

All those who manufacture the equipment TSA uses at Airports...

...all the other Threat Related $$$$$.

 

[RenoChazz]

Obama supporters are funny. It was obvious from the beginning. It's like taking that fresh young black quarterback with the 3rd pick overall. And they keep doing it every year. This country loves to show you how un-racist they are. There will be another Obama after the girl fails. Until someone stands up and just flat out says "This is a white only job, blacks to the back of the bus"

What's funny about guy's like you is that you have no accomplishments as an individual, so taking collective credit for the accomplishments of European culture, make you feel like less a loser in life.

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

I think Bush really had no option in doing what he did. I think staying there 8 years or whatever the fuck was a little too much. But that proves right there that no matter how long you stay and how much money you spend trying to build up their country that that isn't going to change anything. It needs to be done behind closed doors and not actually in the battlefields. Their needs to be negotiations and that's what Obama understands. But these fucks don't want to do that because they are crooked fucks and help ISIS rather than take them down. With bad people in position of power, bad things happen. I didn't like Obama his first few years in office. Last 4 I've grown to have a respect for his approach.

 

[ML Dog]

As much as I dislike Trump, I like his foreign policy. Sounds like Trump just wants to go in, end these guys then come home, and not get involved in nation building, or as they see it propping up puppets for American interests. A big part of the reasons they hate us is because, we're over there bombing and killing for American interest, and propping up puppets, which is a huge recruiting tool for them. We should trade with them, but not run their countries or culture. And those that attack like ISIS should have their organizations, disrupted, defunded, and destroyed at the heart.

Article: Donald Trump Could Be the Military-Industrial Complex’s Worst Nightmare

The Republican front-runner is against nation building. Imagine that.

http://www.thenation.com/article/do...military-industrial-complexs-worst-nightmare/

 

[ML Dog]

What's funny about guy's like you is that you have no accomplishments as an individual, so taking collective credit for the accomplishments of European culture, make you feel like less a loser in life.

If thats true its not his fault Reno. I'll tell you whose fault it is

Well maybe not Joe Gilliam or Willie Thrower but the rest of those guys and RG III its 100% on them.

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

You don't go after the issue head on or unforeseen repercussions will stem for it. That's just the nature of anything. It is the easy solution so most non thinkers go with what's easy. But if you are expecting a easy nuke and swoop and roll out and that be the end of it. Ha. That is why Obama thinks. You have to thinkkkkkk. Trump is half retarded when it comes to dealing with people in politics and these are people.

 

[ML Dog]

The bible says to stone women who cheat on their husbands. I don't see that happening, and it's not because we wiped out all the Christians, and changed their beliefs. It doesn't happen because our culture has changed.

Very Well Said.

 

[barman]

I agree with that, but also agree that the three Abrahamic religions have been debunked, and the evidence debunking those three religions is more overwhelming than the evidence in the OJ Simpson trial.

But there is a lot of science backing creation, and even the big bang theory, is a part of that of evidence.

Very well put.

It is rather clear that any religion or dogma which promotes a message that declares some humans as "closer to God", "God's chosen", (or any other variation which elevate any group of humans as most highly esteemed of God) is a religion that is detached from the core consciousness.

 

[barman]

If there does exist some Intelligent Design I just wish it was Intelligent enough to include some ability to spare kids from all this pain, all this Savagery.

Youth is it, you know, for so many thats the only chance you get to be free and enjoy life before its off to work, buy, work some more, retire for a few years (hopefully) then die.

I'd have been so much more impressed with an Intelligent Designer if that had the ability to let kids enjoy their Youth.

Without having to deal with all this pointless war and hatred.

There is literally nothing which can prevent someone - including children - from choosing happiness as a predominant state of mind.

Once one comes to realization that consciousness is eternal, all suffering can cease. What might be perceived as a horrible experience is a literal blip on the eternal time line. Those who might appear to be in 'horrible' conditions now will have endless fresh incarnations which will each be distinctive.

The Intelligence which brought all of us into our current physical state does not 'protect', 'obstruct' or otherwise create for us. Each of us creates our own reality 100%. If the Infinite Intelligence were to intercede - for even just one of us - it would remove the overall free creative will for all of us.

Weep not for the youth who currently live in violent environments. They are the most highly evolved version of human beings to ever exist.

And it is from this group of youth that higher expressions of human evolution - including but not limited to societies founded on non-violent behavior - will come forth

 

[RenoChazz]

Barman, have you become a buddhist?

 

[barman]

I do not proclaim any specific religious affiliation

 

[festeringZit]

I agree with that, but also agree that the three Abrahamic religions have been debunked, and the evidence debunking those three religions is more overwhelming than the evidence in the OJ Simpson trial.

But there is a lot of science backing creation, and even the big bang theory, is a part of that of evidence.

Speaking as someone who spends a lot of time studying this stuff, and the current consensus, and evidence out there, this is complete and utter horse shit.

 

[IMISREMEMBER]

Wonder if it's possible to somehow microchip GPS some of these suspected isis terrorists,monitor their movement. If anyone is on the terrorist list must be injected with this chip, they seem to be slipping through cracks too much.

 

[festeringZit]

An intelligent designer as far as I see it would have nothing to do with that. The laws of physics and nature are pretty natural up till you get to the beginning of the big bang. The beginning is a physical anomaly, which means either science/physics as we know it is/are wrong, or that something unnatural set everything into motion.

Um, with all due respect, you have no clue what you are talking about. There were no laws of physics and nature before the big bang. Our universe did not exist.