I dont know if ISIS can be beat.

[3peet]

After reading the responses it shows how complex and confusing this problem is. What really gets me is how ISIS is imbedded within society. That's why I don't know how you squeeze or smoke them out. Cutting money? What's that gonna do? Weren't the bombs used in the Belgium and Boston make shift homemade devices any one could find and learn how to make on the internet? doesn't seem like it took millions if not thousands to pull off these attacks.

What fucked up, convoluted, complex issue. What really gets me is these guys are world wide. Not just in Europe. It really a fucked up game of whack-a-mole w/no end in sight.

 

[Acebb]

President Obama in Argentina, on terror: We defeat ISIS in part by sending them the message, "you are not strong, you are weak."



Gee, I wonder why they are barnstorming through Libya and Syria?

Of course they can be defeated. The West just has to be serious about doing so.

 

[RunLeeRun]

Lara Logan a 60 minutes hit piece also?

Admittedly, I don't watch any mainstream media. I don't even know who that is.

I watched a member posted 60 minutes video and gave my assessment, as objectively as I could. I'm not condoning any of the behavior. It did looked provoked, though.

 

[barman]

The evidence for an intelligent designer is overwhelming.

The evidence for Intelligent Design is indeed overwhelming.

As for the "Designer" it is increasingly clear that would describe a collective consciousness rather than an individual entity.

Resolute cultural belief patterns related to the latter perception and handed down for centuries/millenia are the source of much human dischord.

As we can now better integrate quantum physics with status quo beliefs about our physical and spiritual origins, there is no good reason for anyone to cling to a specific description of "Tbe Creator" and thus move into a contentious mode with fellow humans over which version is "right".

 

[Greenbacks]

Isis will do as they please as long as Obama is President.

He keeps talking about a strategy to take down Isis....He just spoke about it 20 minutes ago.

Isis has killed 230 people the last 35 days in Paris and Brussels.

This so called strategy is working real well Obama....Weak mother fucker.

 

[3peet]

So the attacks that took place in France and Belgium have to deal with Obama? What about the leaders of France and Belgium?

 

[Greenbacks]

So the attacks that took place in France and Belgium have to deal with Obama? What about the leaders of France and Belgium?

What about the attacks in San Bernardino??

Obama can`t wait to get out of office so he doesn't have to deal with the Isis situation.

He`s a soft,weak piece of shit.

 

[RenoChazz]

The evidence for an intelligent designer is overwhelming.

I agree with that, but also agree that the three Abrahamic religions have been debunked, and the evidence debunking those three religions is more overwhelming than the evidence in the OJ Simpson trial.

But there is a lot of science backing creation, and even the big bang theory, is a part of that of evidence.

 

[ML Dog]

Admittedly, I don't watch any mainstream media. I don't even know who that is.

I watched a member posted 60 minutes video and gave my assessment, as objectively as I could. I'm not condoning any of the behavior. It did looked provoked, though.

Check, yeah, I didn't mean that to come across as contentious. You know...Typed Word. Its Limited.

I see what you mean, Cameraman letting himself get in harms way in front of the car was, at the very least, stupid.

We see over and over the recurring theme (as pocketrockets and other have described) this attitude amongst the Refugees that they can do whatever they please, that they are owed Free Stuff and that they don't care in the least about Human Life.

Thats what I saw in the clip. I understand how you saw what you did as well though.

Mostly what I saw in the clip was countries planting groups of savages within their country that are gonna blow up in their faces exactly like a bunch of Bombs.

Just a matter of when and how much damage is done.

I hope that this does not happen in Costa Rica.

Probably won't.

 

[ML Dog]

I agree with that, but also agree that the three Abrahamic religions have been debunked, and the evidence debunking those three religions is more overwhelming than the evidence in the OJ Simpson trial.

But there is a lot of science backing creation, and even the big bang theory, is a part of that of evidence.

If there does exist some Intelligent Design I just wish it was Intelligent enough to include some ability to spare kids from all this pain, all this Savagery.

Youth is it, you know, for so many thats the only chance you get to be free and enjoy life before its off to work, buy, work some more, retire for a few years (hopefully) then die.

I'd have been so much more impressed with an Intelligent Designer if that had the ability to let kids enjoy their Youth.

Without having to deal with all this pointless war and hatred.

 

[RenoChazz]

If there does exist some Intelligent Design I just wish it was Intelligent enough to include some ability to spare kids from all this pain, all this Savagery.

Youth is it, you know, for so many thats the only chance you get to be free and enjoy life before its off to work, buy, work some more, retire for a few years (hopefully) then die.

I'd have been so much more impressed with an Intelligent Designer if that had the ability to let kids enjoy their Youth.

Without having to deal with all this pointless war and hatred.

An intelligent designer as far as I see it would have nothing to do with that. The laws of physics and nature are pretty natural up till you get to the beginning of the big bang. The beginning is a physical anomaly, which means either science/physics as we know it is/are wrong, or that something unnatural set everything into motion.

 

[ML Dog]

So the attacks that took place in France and Belgium have to deal with Obama? What about the leaders of France and Belgium?

Big part of the reason that the problem exists (and some would argue that this is the entire reason) is the destabilization that Cheney/Bush Jr. left in their wake after Iraq.

Daesh (ISIS) sprang from the remnants of the failed Iraqi campaign.

There can be absolutely no doubt that the United States Government is chiefly responsible for where we are now with this Jihad.

That goes all the way back to what RunLeeRun mentioned. US Gov injecting themselves into Middle Eastern Affairs.

Cheney's Iraq Campaign though led directly to where we are now.

Cheney trashed Iraq, left behind chaos, Obama's Pimps seized upon the opportunity to utilize the Jihadists that sprang from a destabilized Iraq to overthrow Assad in Syria which, naturally, did not work because involvement in Middle Eastern Affairs simply does not work there is just too much discord present within the Middle East and too much $$$$ from the Oil (combined with too much domination by certain Tribes of that Oil $$$) for US Intervention in Middle East to work.

tl;dr answer: to a large extent US Policy, Actions (both past & present) have been instrumental in causing these problems. The Refugee Crisis and innocent people getting blown up.

 

[ML Dog]

An intelligent designer as far as I see it would have nothing to do with that. The laws of physics and nature are pretty natural up till you get to the beginning of the big bang. The beginning is a physical anomaly, which means either science/physics as we know it is wrong, or that something unnatural set everything into motion.

So an Intelligent Designer would have no further involvement after The Big Bang.

I see.....

I misunderstood what was meant by Intelligent Designer. They got me all 'washed with the concept of God you know. Thats what I thought ya'll meant by the term Intelligent Designer.

A Cat who'd remain involved.

Interesting discussion, no doubt about that.....the stuff about

"The laws of physics and nature are pretty natural up till you get to the beginning of the big bang. The beginning is a physical anomaly, which means either science/physics as we know it is wrong, or that something unnatural set everything into motion."


Thats pretty deep.

 

[GoSooners]

The evidence for an intelligent designer is overwhelming.

Designer or designers?

 

[Greenbacks]

 

[3peet]

Big part of the reason that the problem exists (and some would argue that this is the entire reason) is the destabilization that Cheney/Bush Jr. left in their wake after Iraq.

Daesh (ISIS) sprang from the remnants of the failed Iraqi campaign.

There can be absolutely no doubt that the United States Government is chiefly responsible for where we are now with this Jihad.

That goes all the way back to what RunLeeRun mentioned. US Gov injecting themselves into Middle Eastern Affairs.

Cheney's Iraq Campaign though led directly to where we are now.

Cheney trashed Iraq, left behind chaos, Obama's Pimps seized upon the opportunity to utilize the Jihadists that sprang from a destabilized Iraq to overthrow Assad in Syria which, naturally, did not work because involvement in Middle Eastern Affairs simply does not work there is just too much discord present within the Middle East and too much $$$$ from the Oil (combined with too much domination by certain Tribes of that Oil $$$) for US Intervention in Middle East to work.

tl;dr answer: to a large extent US Policy, Actions (both past & present) have been instrumental in causing these problems. The Refugee Crisis and innocent people getting blown up.

100% whole heartedly agree the U.S. intervention in IRAQ caused ISIS. We're reaping what we sowed. Failed in Vietnam / Failed in the midde east. Unfucking real that idiots in our country don't realize this. Every empire has it's time. Looks like ours is beginning to end.

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

What about the attacks in San Bernardino??

Obama can`t wait to get out of office so he doesn't have to deal with the Isis situation.

He`s a soft,weak piece of shit.

I disagree.

You do know that it was within one year of george bushes presidency that the twin towers fell in new york due to hijacked planes by al queda. A war was started from that.

I'm not blaming Bush for that. This is a issue that we can't solve no matter who is in office. No president wouldd admit that but it is the truth. If you think Trump will stop these awful attacks from happening you need help. You can't just bomb the whole map. That's not realistic. Obama knows if he sends troops for them on their soil....that's what they want. They live for that. How are you going to kill a man who strangles himself?

Point is A LOT of these crazy suicide bombers are from backgrounds of no future. Bomb hits your house kills your brother, sister, both parents, no job no car no money no future. Until your recruited by these terroists organizations and give you shelter. They tell you you can live in paradise if you do something. And they convince you to do it by shooting opium in you.

Does that sound like something we can stop? It's their structure and their perspective. How do you change structure and perspective? Good luck. No president has the answer.

 

[RenoChazz]

I disagree.

You do know that it was within one year of george bushes presidency that the twin towers fell in new york due to hijacked planes by al queda. A war was started from that.

I'm not blaming Bush for that. This is a issue that we can't solve no matter who is in office. No president wouldd admit that but it is the truth. If you think Trump will stop these awful attacks from happening you need help. You can't just bomb the whole map. That's not realistic. Obama knows if he sends troops for them on their soil....that's what they want. They live for that. How are you going to kill a man who strangles himself?

Point is A LOT of these crazy suicide bombers are from backgrounds of no future. Bomb hits your house kills your brother, sister, both parents, no job no car no money no future. Until your recruited by these terroists organizations and give you shelter. They tell you you can live in paradise if you do something. And they convince you to do it by shooting opium in you.

Does that sound like something we can stop? It's their structure and their perspective. How do you change structure and perspective? Good luck. No president has the answer.

As much as I dislike Trump, I like his foreign policy. Sounds like Trump just wants to go in, end these guys then come home, and not get involved in nation building, or as they see it propping up puppets for American interests. A big part of the reasons they hate us is because, we're over there bombing and killing for American interest, and propping up puppets, which is a huge recruiting tool for them. We should trade with them, but not run their countries or culture. And those that attack like ISIS should have their organizations, disrupted, defunded, and destroyed at the heart.

 

[RenoChazz]

And sure they can be beat, not wiped out, but they can be made irrelevant. Compare to the KKK; at one time, a very powerful organization of terror. We disrupted, defunded, and changed the culture on their views which had a huge impact. KKK can't recruit like they used to because the culture has changed, plus we've pretty much bankrupted them every where they operate. The KKK still exist, but they are weak, and no where near cause the type of violence they used to. They're pretty much dormant on the violence now.

Changing the culture of how middle easterners view the West will play a major factor in winning. We're not going to change the culture there, as long as we keep a foreign policy of interventionism.

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

As much as I dislike Trump, I like his foreign policy. Sounds like Trump just wants to go in, end these guys then come home, and not get involved in nation building, or as they see it propping up puppets for American interests. A big part of the reasons they hate us is because, we're over there bombing and killing for American interest, and propping up puppets, which is a huge recruiting tool for them. We should trade with them, but not run their countries or culture. And those that attack like ISIS should have their organizations, disrupted, defunded, and destroyed at the heart.

France been bombing them. You cant kill them all because they will keep popping back up. What happened to Al queda? Did we kill them all off? No. They are still present fighting with Isis for biggest piece of shit organization in the world. Isis is leading by a wide margin but if Isis all goes there will be another group of fucks ready to take their place same name or not. Trust me on that. Terrorism from the middle east will never go away as long as their is air on this planet. It is the same thing with drugs in the this country. Do you go after the drug dealer or the buyers? Obvious answer would be the dealers. But if there are no buyers then how can you deal anything? There will always be another dealer coming up to replace that last drug dealer and the buyers will still be there. It is the same thing with terrorism. How do you stop the root of it? To me..like I explained above... this is set up for them because of no structure and how they perceive the world. So there is no answer... that is why I say terrorism will never go away no matter who is in office.