Buzzsaw:
There's plenty more to come. I just haven't had the time to put it all together.
Judging by your responses, you probably don't realize the hole you've dug for yourself, or the damage you're doing to your credibility. My advice to you would be to stop digging.
We're still waiting for answers to the questions posed to you and VIP in this thread.
O Buzzsaw, Where Art Thou?
There's plenty more to come. I just haven't had the time to put it all together.
Judging by your responses, you probably don't realize the hole you've dug for yourself, or the damage you're doing to your credibility. My advice to you would be to stop digging.
We're still waiting for answers to the questions posed to you and VIP in this thread.
O Buzzsaw, Where Art Thou?
Dicky:
It looks like you have a real problem with reading comprehension. Read my post above yours.....maybe more s-l-o-w-l-y this time.
There will be plenty more to come on the VIP issue as soon as I get the time to put it together. Probably not until early next week. Just hang on and take some deep breaths Dicky boy.
In the meantime, if you have any more hypocritcal, assinine, irrelevant questions, please ask them in that thread, instead of continuing to pollute this one.
While we're on the topic of polluting threads, do you ever take the time to actually think before you post? (that's a rhetorical question....you don't really have to answer) You have the nerve to ask me for proof of something after you make an accusation with absolutely no clue as to what the facts are, and not a single shred of proof to back up your ridiculous insinuation. This is the third time I've had to point out that gross hypocrisy to you.
You remind me of one of those goofy moles in that Whack-A-Mole game. Even though you keep getting bopped on the head over and over, you still continue to pop up for more abuse. Maybe you've just been bopped one too many times.
It looks like you have a real problem with reading comprehension. Read my post above yours.....maybe more s-l-o-w-l-y this time.
There will be plenty more to come on the VIP issue as soon as I get the time to put it together. Probably not until early next week. Just hang on and take some deep breaths Dicky boy.
In the meantime, if you have any more hypocritcal, assinine, irrelevant questions, please ask them in that thread, instead of continuing to pollute this one.
While we're on the topic of polluting threads, do you ever take the time to actually think before you post? (that's a rhetorical question....you don't really have to answer) You have the nerve to ask me for proof of something after you make an accusation with absolutely no clue as to what the facts are, and not a single shred of proof to back up your ridiculous insinuation. This is the third time I've had to point out that gross hypocrisy to you.
You remind me of one of those goofy moles in that Whack-A-Mole game. Even though you keep getting bopped on the head over and over, you still continue to pop up for more abuse. Maybe you've just been bopped one too many times.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DickyW:
Sam
Did you Email Mr. Alistair? Yeah yeah I know this is a public forum. When real men want answers to questions they go directly to the source and ask them. If your not able to show proof that VIP lied and decieved customers and your to chicken shit to email Alistair at least apologize.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
My current limit @ VIP is only $50. It was reduced after I won close to $5K I think.
My limit at Millenium is only $2
My limit at betmaker is only $1
My acct at easybets was reduced to $50 and closed 5-6 days later
my limit at wagerstreet was reduced to $250
my account at game day was closed
my limit at bet19 is only $50 after 8am pacific time.
Sam
Did you Email Mr. Alistair? Yeah yeah I know this is a public forum. When real men want answers to questions they go directly to the source and ask them. If your not able to show proof that VIP lied and decieved customers and your to chicken shit to email Alistair at least apologize.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
My current limit @ VIP is only $50. It was reduced after I won close to $5K I think.
My limit at Millenium is only $2
My limit at betmaker is only $1
My acct at easybets was reduced to $50 and closed 5-6 days later
my limit at wagerstreet was reduced to $250
my account at game day was closed
my limit at bet19 is only $50 after 8am pacific time.
If I was a regulator, I would make the following statement COMPULSORY for all booting or limiting books as PAGE ONE of the account opening program.
Before signing up with us, you must realise that we welcome only the recreational gambler who loses money on a regular basis.
Please note that our policy with winning customers is either to close their accounts completely or to restrict their bets to $x maxiumum.
Please proceed to the next step in account opening process only if you are happy with this policy, and confident that you are a sucker.
Before signing up with us, you must realise that we welcome only the recreational gambler who loses money on a regular basis.
Please note that our policy with winning customers is either to close their accounts completely or to restrict their bets to $x maxiumum.
Please proceed to the next step in account opening process only if you are happy with this policy, and confident that you are a sucker.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SPIVE:
Perhaps a better distinction would be to categorize shops as Professional or Sucker.
Discussing the differences in the meantime, to develop the criteria between the two.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Spive,
I hate to ask this but what book are you shilling for ?
PRO:
High Limits. (3-Dimes or more)
Don't Boot.
No Reduced Limits below $1000.
Low Straddles. e.g. 10-cents or less in bases.
Fast Pay.
Minimum of 3 years of "active" service.
SUCKER:
Low Limits (Less than 3-Dimes)
Boot
Wide Straddles e.g. 20-cent or more in bases.
Slow or No Pay.
Less than 3 years of service.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Perhaps a better distinction would be to categorize shops as Professional or Sucker.
Discussing the differences in the meantime, to develop the criteria between the two.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Spive,
I hate to ask this but what book are you shilling for ?
PRO:
High Limits. (3-Dimes or more)
Don't Boot.
No Reduced Limits below $1000.
Low Straddles. e.g. 10-cents or less in bases.
Fast Pay.
Minimum of 3 years of "active" service.
SUCKER:
Low Limits (Less than 3-Dimes)
Boot
Wide Straddles e.g. 20-cent or more in bases.
Slow or No Pay.
Less than 3 years of service.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Chester:
SPIVE is a cool smart kid. But the dude can't answer a question directly, he just can't. He'll use whichever rhetorical method he can use to dodge the core of the matter.
He's got this hard on for bookies in C.R. He says we're all crooks down here, yet he still hasn't play with any of the good shops down here.
He shills for Aussie Books.
Cool kid overall. Semi-sharp player. But anal like a thong.
SPIVE is a cool smart kid. But the dude can't answer a question directly, he just can't. He'll use whichever rhetorical method he can use to dodge the core of the matter.
He's got this hard on for bookies in C.R. He says we're all crooks down here, yet he still hasn't play with any of the good shops down here.
He shills for Aussie Books.
Cool kid overall. Semi-sharp player. But anal like a thong.
The Shrink:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> While I have absolutely no problem at all with sports books who want to LIMIT some PLAYERS (usually this will only occur if they suspect you are sharp or a winner)... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Disagree, with the issue being deception.
My issue regarding changes in wagering limits from those originally stated is deception, in that, those changing (increasing OR reducing) a player's wagering limits from those originally stated, do not list the criteria by which such changes are initiated. Thus, deceiving players into what the wagering limits really are and how they may be affected.
Integrity is about being upfront with clients, this means clearly specifying the rules (e.g. wagering limits) which govern play as well as how and what may affect their changes.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> While I have absolutely no problem at all with sports books who want to LIMIT some PLAYERS (usually this will only occur if they suspect you are sharp or a winner)... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Disagree, with the issue being deception.
My issue regarding changes in wagering limits from those originally stated is deception, in that, those changing (increasing OR reducing) a player's wagering limits from those originally stated, do not list the criteria by which such changes are initiated. Thus, deceiving players into what the wagering limits really are and how they may be affected.
Integrity is about being upfront with clients, this means clearly specifying the rules (e.g. wagering limits) which govern play as well as how and what may affect their changes.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> But the dude can't answer a question directly <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Walk, contrary to the myth, I do not claim to be anyone’s "answer man."
Many questions that may be directed my way are found to be leading or cannot be clearly interpreted to command an definitive answer, by which, any answer (opinion) given would mostly likely be viewed as unpopular or politically incorrect to most residing upon a forum who’s foundation is built upon touting/shilling Costa Rican Sports Books.
Example: "I hate to ask this but what book are you shilling for ?" Such a leading question does not command an answer. (Do you understand?)
Don't I give enough "unpopular" or "politically incorrect" opinions here as it is?
It's pretty thankless attempting to "balance" such a CR Bookie biased forum.
Try it sometime.
[This message was edited by SPIVE on May 24, 2003 at 03:31 PM.]
Walk, contrary to the myth, I do not claim to be anyone’s "answer man."
Many questions that may be directed my way are found to be leading or cannot be clearly interpreted to command an definitive answer, by which, any answer (opinion) given would mostly likely be viewed as unpopular or politically incorrect to most residing upon a forum who’s foundation is built upon touting/shilling Costa Rican Sports Books.
Example: "I hate to ask this but what book are you shilling for ?" Such a leading question does not command an answer. (Do you understand?)
Don't I give enough "unpopular" or "politically incorrect" opinions here as it is?
It's pretty thankless attempting to "balance" such a CR Bookie biased forum.
Try it sometime.
[This message was edited by SPIVE on May 24, 2003 at 03:31 PM.]
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> How did you like the thong analogy? Close enough? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Still seeking the perfect "balance" between the A
and B
type inside.
Like most who feel stronger about some things as opposed to others.
"Those who don't welcome winner$, don't deserve losers." -SPIVE
Do you find "balance" in this motto?
Still seeking the perfect "balance" between the A
Like most who feel stronger about some things as opposed to others.
"Those who don't welcome winner$, don't deserve losers." -SPIVE
Do you find "balance" in this motto?
SPIVE:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> "Those who don't welcome winner$, don't deserve losers." -SPIVE <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree with you 100%.
Somebody I respect a lot, and who possess more insight of this industry than almost anybody; once told me this game was basically (just as a metaphor) like a poker table. You've got sharp players, mid-tier players and sorry ass players. If the sharp dudes leave the table, then the mid-tier guys will start winning. So why should the sharp dudes leave in the first place? And probably more important, why would THEIR money be allowed to leave the table?
We agree stongly in the fact that the indsutry model is flawed. Yes, sport exchanges are the future. But you still find action brokers, real bookers, who are sharp enough to make money out of their sharp action. They are brokering the action in the right way. Now that's a booker.
I know that the desired balance in the books is hard to attain, but books should book. Based on:
1. First and foremost, research. A solid number should be the product of investigation.
2. Opinion of the bookmaker; maybe the same as above, although not quite.
3. An open line of feedback. First hand info should keep that line sharp.
4. Last but not least, ACTION baby. Book to your action.
What's the picture nowadays?
Some dude comes up with a couple hundred of thousands. Buys a cople machines, pays the fee to DB... and voi la: we got a bookie. Right? WRONG. Nobody can make $$$ based on cloning, so when the sharp guys find these shops, the process looks pretty much as follows:
-Razor (player) calls in
-Numbnuts-Clone (bookie) gets the call
-Razor says: "i'm sending in 10 K".
-Numbnuts starts salivating, closes the deal
-Numbnut gets the dough and spends it. NO, NO, NO, NO. Did you ever get a grip of "post-up" concept, numbnuts?
-Razor hits numbnuts like a fvcking pinata, up and down, inside out.
-Razor calls in and asks for his money + what he's got coming.
-Numbnuts realizes BOOKING ain't as easy as it looked, he flakes out and stiffs razor.
-Numbnuts' kneecaps are gone, along with his car, house and woman.
Now some of these Numbnuts found out that by restricting "Razors", their profit of margin increase theoretically. But we all know the main reason for a business to go down is bad management to begin with.
Now there also are Razor-Bookies, who fed up of working 16 hours a day to come up with the best #, just to find out Numbnuts is indecently copying ALL and every number; decide to post a shade number to nail the cloning fvcker against the wall. And there you have it Numbnuts now has two fronts of attack and NO base of ground.
Result: PTS among many, many others.
The ability of a book to welcome professional players and actually pay them hassle free, is a sincere reflection of brains, real brains behind the numbers.
So, yes SPIVE, we agree brother:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>"Those who don't welcome winner$, don't deserve losers." -SPIVE <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
[This message was edited by Walk of Life on May 24, 2003 at 04:25 PM.]
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> "Those who don't welcome winner$, don't deserve losers." -SPIVE <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree with you 100%.
Somebody I respect a lot, and who possess more insight of this industry than almost anybody; once told me this game was basically (just as a metaphor) like a poker table. You've got sharp players, mid-tier players and sorry ass players. If the sharp dudes leave the table, then the mid-tier guys will start winning. So why should the sharp dudes leave in the first place? And probably more important, why would THEIR money be allowed to leave the table?
We agree stongly in the fact that the indsutry model is flawed. Yes, sport exchanges are the future. But you still find action brokers, real bookers, who are sharp enough to make money out of their sharp action. They are brokering the action in the right way. Now that's a booker.
I know that the desired balance in the books is hard to attain, but books should book. Based on:
1. First and foremost, research. A solid number should be the product of investigation.
2. Opinion of the bookmaker; maybe the same as above, although not quite.
3. An open line of feedback. First hand info should keep that line sharp.
4. Last but not least, ACTION baby. Book to your action.
What's the picture nowadays?
Some dude comes up with a couple hundred of thousands. Buys a cople machines, pays the fee to DB... and voi la: we got a bookie. Right? WRONG. Nobody can make $$$ based on cloning, so when the sharp guys find these shops, the process looks pretty much as follows:
-Razor (player) calls in
-Numbnuts-Clone (bookie) gets the call
-Razor says: "i'm sending in 10 K".
-Numbnuts starts salivating, closes the deal
-Numbnut gets the dough and spends it. NO, NO, NO, NO. Did you ever get a grip of "post-up" concept, numbnuts?
-Razor hits numbnuts like a fvcking pinata, up and down, inside out.
-Razor calls in and asks for his money + what he's got coming.
-Numbnuts realizes BOOKING ain't as easy as it looked, he flakes out and stiffs razor.
-Numbnuts' kneecaps are gone, along with his car, house and woman.
Now some of these Numbnuts found out that by restricting "Razors", their profit of margin increase theoretically. But we all know the main reason for a business to go down is bad management to begin with.
Now there also are Razor-Bookies, who fed up of working 16 hours a day to come up with the best #, just to find out Numbnuts is indecently copying ALL and every number; decide to post a shade number to nail the cloning fvcker against the wall. And there you have it Numbnuts now has two fronts of attack and NO base of ground.
Result: PTS among many, many others.
The ability of a book to welcome professional players and actually pay them hassle free, is a sincere reflection of brains, real brains behind the numbers.
So, yes SPIVE, we agree brother:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>"Those who don't welcome winner$, don't deserve losers." -SPIVE <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
[This message was edited by Walk of Life on May 24, 2003 at 04:25 PM.]
