I am completely convinced Sammy Farha isnt a great poker player

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All it takes is one win. If not for his WSOP championship, where would Cris Moneymaker be today.

Would we even know who he is right now?
 

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Farha was succesful in earlier years of High Stakes Poker. His play is loose and agressive and against most players in casinos they would fold. 100k to these players ain't really nothing. He is able to make huge raises with nothing and that's why most players would fold because the guy could have anything.
 

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You crack me up. You twist things so bad sometimes.

I said everything, repeat EVERYTHING has some luck involved in it. This has nothing to with me and I think 99.99999% of the people believe that and that is obvious.

I think (and this is my opinion) that poker has more luck involved in it than most poker people will lead you to believe. Meaning that from what I have gathered that most give the skill level of this game a higher level than I DO. That is all that means.

I still think there is a TON of skill in this game and I love the game (more to watch than play) but I the more I have followed it, the more I feel that luck plays a BIGGER (key word) role in the game that I orginally felt when I started reading/playing it.

Not sure how or why you feel ripping me is apportiate over this but whatever. I never said anything about me and how good (or bad for that matter) I am at it. When I first picked up the game I think I was more expecting skill to be a little important than it is, that is it. Maybe my expectation level was too high. I am just a little suprised luck plays as big a role in it than it does. It still doesn't mean I don't think the best players eventually win. You know better than to think that. I am still fascinated by the game and watch and read about it all the time and I plan on pursuing a little more in the near future.

Just funny that you can twist this around when I NEVER said anything resembling what you are implying. Thanks.



LOL Another sensitive Mod. Didn't mean to be insulting Ice

All I meant to say was that there is skill. Yes for sure you need luck. I call it timming. You need timing to win huge pots. Doesn't matter how many times you get A's if nobody plays with you.



Ice they won't show you all the hands that Sammy wins before the turn with his betting style. Hard to read him when he plays lot of hands.


Gambling is a lot of luck period.
 

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Well I think that some of you that doubt Sammy's ability should take him on in lets say a $100,000 freezeout! If you think he's that bad it should be no problem raising the money! Any takers?
 

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Not saying he isnt decent as obviously he has money and plays at the highest levels.

I also know from gambling that you cannot form an opinion of anyone who gambles with out watching them thousands of times doing what they do. So take this for what it is worth.

I think the guy cannot be a winning player overall in cash games, espically at the levels he plays at. You cannot play as a loose and against the percentages as much as he does and win. Like I said earlier I am no Farha expert but have watched enough times to notice how bad he plays hands and it seems, he does it alot.

I think one thing we forget is that for every person who claims to be a winning poker player there are probaly 2 losing ones and I would have to believe that he is not winning more than he is losing.

From the times I have watched him on TV it almost look like the others are toying with him. Like I said I am sure he is still a solid player but disreagrds the smart/percentage play so many times, that I have to think he is a losing player playing against the level of competition he plays against.

Maybe I am way off on this. Would love to hear what others think that follow poker. I love to watch poker on TV and too me he seem way over his head than most he plays against.

there is Poker on TV??
 

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Sammy Farha is an excellent player. But he does play omaha mostly in live ring games.

I have played at the same table as him 2 times in tournaments in Louisiana and he has a good read of other players in my opinion. He does talk alot that is for sure. If he wants you to call and it appears that you will fold, he starts talking to you and the novice player will call after listening to him talk
 

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Sammy can definitly read players in a unique way different then what u see in daniel nagranue or phil ivey.


Also i would say that he plays 75% or more better with his favorite game omaha long before I would stake him in a NL game.


To be honest about the mathmatical odds point u made, I think he just has more "GAMBLE" in him then some of the tighter players....I would personally aknowledge that chris ferguson is a great player overall, but imo he slow plays way too much, and u can read the shit outta that grandpa play if u ask me, but he is definitly a great.....EVERYONE has a unique style.


ALL and ALL Farha has a gamble in him like no other, and is very aggressive at times, BUT he manages to always have a damn ACE in his hand....he has been raised from the school of there is no ace-rag, and that is the way he plays....simple as that!


AS far as your not good on the long term game, id have to disagree....in the high stakes cash games he is playing....ONE u are judging him in probably one night a week or month of his all day long 12 hr + play per day.....AND with his aggressive and "lucky" persona, he is very liable and im sure does rake in the chips at will on nites when he is HOT"

He prolly approaches a cash game table as a regular gambler approaches a craps or black jack....alot of luck involved and plays have the tendancy to think they are HOT
 

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I love this board. People can spew such nonsense and actually get some people to agree.

If i gave someone offered 20-1 on a flip of a coin, it is possible that he would lose 10 in a row and i would make money. Poker, for goodplayers, is the same thing. Good players get their money in with the best hand more often than not. In 1 session, 1 day, 1 week, 1 month it is very possible for the best player in the world to run cold and lose. That doesn't make the game one of luck. It just means that there is some luck involved. Big difference.

As for Farha, he has played like a retard on this season's HSP. I have no idea why. It could be that he was on tilt from the night before. It could be that he is doing it to show people that he plays like a moron and then use that to his advantage in the big games.
 

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As for Farha, he has played like a retard on this season's HSP. I have no idea why. It could be that he was on tilt from the night before. It could be that he is doing it to show people that he plays like a moron and then use that to his advantage in the big games.

No question. Intentional or not, Sammy has gotten some great advertising from this year's HSP. Lot of big fish out there thinking they can get into his deep pockets. I would imagine any big game Farha sits at today would be packed with a long waiting list.
 

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Best cash game players - Chip, Phil Ivey, Brunson. my op.
Sam Farha - Big gambler, cameras like him
 

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I just watched the WSOP main event final table last night.

1 thing is for damm sure. The guy that won the braclet this year is a very very bad player. Not even average. He sucks. For someone like that to make it that far, shows you just how much luck is involved.
 

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I just watched the WSOP main event final table last night.

1 thing is for damm sure. The guy that won the braclet this year is a very very bad player. Not even average. He sucks. For someone like that to make it that far, shows you just how much luck is involved.


a nicer guy could not have won it. After each player he knocked out on the final table he went over and congratulated them and told them they have a friend for life. I did not think he played that bad
 

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a nicer guy could not have won it. After each player he knocked out on the final table he went over and congratulated them and told them they have a friend for life. I did not think he played that bad

Im not saying he is not a nice guy. He seems like a very nice guy. As a matter of fact the WSOP has been very lucky the last 6 years IMO with the people that won besides that clown that won last year.

Hachem, Raymer, the guy this year are all good people.


Hachem is the only one thats won in the last 5 years that I would call an above average player.

The guy last night came very close to blowing his huge stack several times with weak hands only to get bailed out on the river.

His reads were bad. Hes luck was strong.

He came this close to call a guys preflop all in the k8 when the other guy had AA. If he would have called that, He would have lost the tourney. He raised 7mill preflop(not a bad thing in early position with a big chip lead) but the fact that it took him 5mins to fold the all-in raise told me alot.
 

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I just watched the WSOP main event final table last night.

1 thing is for damm sure. The guy that won the braclet this year is a very very bad player. Not even average. He sucks. For someone like that to make it that far, shows you just how much luck is involved.


Sometimes, no most times, your posts are just downright scary.
 

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Sometimes, no most times, your posts are just downright scary.

That can mean so many things fish. I have no idea what you are trying to say.
 

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Lay off of him fish, he is trying to become the next moderator around here
 

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Chop,

He thought like that every single hand he was involved in. I dont think he had any type of desire to call that K8. It was just hit style.
 

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Lay off of him fish, he is trying to become the next moderator around here.



Yang played a great final table. Sure he got a little lucky at times, but most of his calls were because the chips that he might lose in the hand would not affect his overall chip count.


He got REAL lucky in one of the opening hands, when he had pocket jacks. He raised preflop quite a bit and was reraised by someone with pocket queens. On the flop, nothing higher than a 9 flopped, so Yang goes ALL IN with his jacks. The other would NOT have been all in, but very close with his pocket queens. He obviously doesnt want to go out 8th or 9th so he folds to Yang. Then Yang proceeded to win around 50 of the next 80 hands. That is TOTAL DOMINATION.

Keep in mind that you only got to see around 10% of all of the hands at the final table. They didnt show where Yang won almost every other pot with small preflop raises. It was real hard to put him on a hand.



Where the king-8 was involved, he was NEVER going to call. He just wanted to make the other players think that they took him off of a big hand.

If you dont do that when you play in live tournaments, then you are missing out on a big advantage. Other players will think that they can get you to fold big hands this way, they will then try and bluff you
 

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Lay off of him fish, he is trying to become the next moderator around here

Trust me, I would not take a mod job here or any other place.
cant do my job and a mod job at the same time. Sometimes Im gone for as long as a month at a time.

They would have to pay me over 10k per month for me to quit my other job. So no, I am not a canidate even if they wanted me to be a mod, which im sure im not even in the top 1000 after yesterday.
 

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