HOW WOULD YOU HANDLE THIS SITUATION ??? --- I AM IN AN ETHICAL BIND

DannyMay · Jan 26, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by lander:
Oh, nevermind.

3.5 pts on a HT total???

Danny, the line was bad. Do the right thing.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lander it was 3.

I can buy that it was a bad line, but they clearly waited until the outcome was known. They had plenty of time to cancel the play beforehand. I put it in well more than 1 hour before the game even started.

How do we know that books arent putting up a line they know is bad - getting heavy action on 1 side obviously and then cancelling when they lose, and letting it stand when they win.

Was ACES GOLDS line on NE + 14 1/2 a BAD LINE ?
Should all the players who bet it be called scammers or was ACES GOLD trying to pull something ?

winkyduck · Jan 26, 2004

i'd tell them you will send back the $400 once they send you the $500 you won on your bet that they cancelled for no good reason.

when they sau "no way" then you tell them "ditto."

you already know you are done at that book - so it's not like sending the money back will help out any.

they are offshore, meaning they have ZERO power to go after you - so don't worry about it.

in the e-mail account you have - if you can "block sender" do it to their e-mail addy. if they call - tell them you want to be put on the "do not call list" and every time they call you will hang up on them - and do it!

like others have said - F**K them for f*****g you!

DarrylParsons · Jan 26, 2004

Is the book SIA by any chance? Just a hunch

Dante · Jan 26, 2004

IMO they owe you the bet but not sure on the ethical side keeping the extra money the sent by mistake....I would make the case an arbitration case keep the 400 until they decide the case...you are in the right IMO

DannyMay · Jan 26, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by The General:
Danny, if you want an arbitration 1st, then I will be happy to get involved. Shoot me an email. We can handle one issue at a time.

Good luck<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK. Doing this.

lander · Jan 26, 2004

Danny,
Isn't the real tradegy here that you middled it and now have LOSS & CANCELED?

I'm not saying that it's particularly relevant, but it would certainly increase your outrage, no?

dogball · Jan 26, 2004

I like landers original thoughts
very funny

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Tell them that you started to send the $400, but cancelled when you saw they were going to collect it.

Then send them a memo saying - FU and offer to send $25 instead <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

anyway, if you want to do an arbitration, for whatever reason, i would use Wilheim over anyone else for sure. Personally, i think you are justified in keeping the $ due to the time they sent the e mail

DannyMay · Jan 26, 2004

Lander,

No I didnt middle that one. I liked the bet. It was 3 points off for a first half.

On thursday evening, at that same book I found 2 more first half lines at that same book that were also off 2 - 2 1/2 points, I bet both of those for $550 -- lost them both and got LOSS on both bets.

At that same book, on Thursday night January 22 - I lost almost $1500 ( and it was all losses, no scalping or middling )

General,

I forwarded you 3 emails.

My position is not that it wasnt a bad line -- it was OFF the going line by 3 - 3 1/2 points. My position is that they waited too long before cancelling it. They clearly waited to see the outcome.

trytrytry · Jan 26, 2004

is somebody kidding me on this one.

This piece of Crap place owes you another $75.00.

dont stop calling, harrassing and soon start posting all over the internet about them.

give them one more day to get that $75.00 extra to you. That is fair 2 days for a book to admit it made an error and needs to apy the customer. If not bring up their name on one forum then another then another. You will get your $75.00 im sure of that.

PanchoSanza · Jan 26, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Darryl Parsons:
Is the book SIA by any chance? Just a hunch

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think they only allow max $220 on totals so probably not SIA.

DannyMay · Jan 26, 2004

Darryl,

No it wasnt SIA. I have never played there.

DannyMay · Jan 26, 2004

I have forwarded General all the emails so we will see what happens. I believe I am justified in keeping the money, they still owe me $75.

samardee · Jan 26, 2004

What book is it? WE need to know what book has plicies like this so we stay away.. BAN THE BAD LINE RULE!!!! a 3.5 pt offl ine on first half is out there all day long especially in college totals.. and forthem to cancle a bet with one minute left in the game is WRONG!!! and they shouldnt get away with it. KEEP THE MONEY and get your $75 dollars.. Thats your money! BAN THE BAD LINE RULE!!! BOOKS can always cry bad line.. there is no definition of obvious bad line.. what the heck is that suppose to mean? there should be some type of cut-off on a bad line and if thats in place then no one gets screwed.. BAN THE BAD LINE RULE!!!

lander · Jan 26, 2004

Danny,
I'd love to hear the other side, but this is VERY significant ..

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> On thursday evening, at that same book I found 2 more first half lines at that same book that were also off 2 - 2 1/2 points, I bet both of those for $550 -- lost them both and got LOSS on both bets.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It shows that they offer opinions (or ultra-slow moves), and thus your 3 points is much less likely to be a fluke mistake.

Ok, I'm back on your side.

They either owe you $75 for that one bet, or $700 ($1100 in non-canceled bad lines minus the $400 that you recieved by mistake).

I think they owe you $700.

pokherplyr · Jan 26, 2004

Danny,

Please consider going to arbitration. If you do, we will have an historic 1st: Player/sportsbook going to arbitration with THE PLAYER HOLDING THE CASH!!

Let’s see how the book likes it with the power in the other hand, giving them a taste of how we feel when they hold our money as ransom to make a deal. Of course if the arbiter rules against you, be a man and return the cash if so directed.

For me, the main issue is simple; they took a wager on what could or could not be misconstrued as a bad line. I feel 3.5 is reaching the upper limits for a 1st half total, but not totally obvious. The key point in the issue for me however is the time stamp of the email notifying you of the cancellation of the wager. I am assuming you are saying they sent it 5 min. before HT, not that 5 min. before HT is when you received it. If so, it does APPEAR that they were taking a shot at you. Regardless, if the email was sent out ANYTIME AFTER THE START OF THE GAME, THE BET STANDS!! Don’t they pay these people enough money to do their jobs properly? Let the person whose responsibility it is to check these things take that hit.

I would have zero ethical qualms about keeping the cash if this did not go to arbitration. I would just consider it “partial payment” for a debt owed, and not miss a night’s sleep.

pp

soccerbob · Jan 26, 2004

Danny- You're not in any kind of bind at all. You won $500 on that bet and that's what they should pay you. This one is easy. What's the name of this dogshit book?

DannyMay · Jan 26, 2004

Hey I like the way you think but I would settle for the $75.

I dont want them to pay me $700 because I made those bets and lost them fair and square. By the same token, I made that bet saturday morning and won it fair and square.

Fishhead · Jan 26, 2004

This is OBVIOUSLY NOT an obvious bad line!!

An OBVIOUS bad line would be if a normal FH total is at 86-87 and a book puts up a 66-67 line. THIS IS OBVIOUS!!

Not a 3 point difference!!

I am confident Danny will be paid.

DannyMay · Jan 26, 2004

Pokerplyr,

I assume that it when they sent it. The email says 1242. I also logged into the account, to check other plays at about 1230 and at that point the $550 had not been returned to my balance.

JimFiestSux · Jan 26, 2004

Your bet should be graded as a win! Once it starts its official! 2 pts come on it seems like a scam line, win and not get paid or lose your money! A lose, lose situation! They should eat it if its a wrong line! Only a line off by 4 pts or more is a mistake! Seems like they baited some people and they screwed up!