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[h=1]New Jersey police officers say Muslims DID celebrate 9/11 and eyewitness remembers cheers of 'Allahu Akbar!'[/h]
  • NJ.com found several former police officers who recalled 'modest celebrations' on 9/11
  • Rooftop celebrations, and a celebration in the street, were remembered by eyewitnesses
  • The mayor of Jersey City still contends that celebrations didn't happen


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Donald Trump's credibility has been called into question over comments he has made about Muslims in New Jersey celebrating on 9/11 and now a report from NJ.com suggests that an aspect of that story is true.
While the New Jersey news organization called Trump's claim of thousands of Muslims celebrating on 9/11 to be 'baseless,' reporters found evidence of 'at least two modest celebrations' that occurred.
'Some men were dancing, some held kids on their shoulders,' said retired police officer Peter Gallagher, who said he cleared a rooftop celebration of some 20 to 30 people that day.
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Donald Trump has said repeatedly that thousands of New Jersey Muslims cheered on 9/11 as the twin towers crashed down - a claim that, until now, has been widely debunked





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While NJ.com said Donald Trump's suggestion that thousands of Muslims celebrated 9/11 was 'baseless,' journalists found evidence of 'at least two modest celebrations' that day






'The women were shouting in Arabic and keening in the high-pitched wail of Arabic fashion,' Gallagher continued. 'They were told to go back to their apartments since a crowd of non-Muslims was gathering on the sidewalk below and we feared for their safety.'
That apartment building, located in Jersey City, New Jersey, was visited by FBI agents several days later and some residents were taken into custody, the Star-Ledger reported.
Another celebration occurred on Jersey City's John F. Kennedy Boulevard, according to eyewitnesses, which is near the mosque where Omar Abdel-Rahman, known as 'the blind sheikh,' had preached before his terrorist ties were uncovered during the investigation into the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.
'When I saw they were happy, I was pissed,' said 56-year-old Ron Knight, who said he heard cries of 'Allahu Akbar' while making his way through a crowd of 15 to 20 people on the street.
60-year-old Carlos Ferran, who lives in the same apartment building of Knight, also remembered coming across the gathering while he was walking to a liquor store to buy beer.
'Some of them had their hands in the air,' Ferran told NJ.com. 'They were happy.'


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A crowd was reportedly gathered on a rooftop from an address on the same street, 2801 John F. Kennedy Blvd., but officers dispatched were unable to enter the building because the front door was locked.
'By the time I got to the roof, no one was there,' said retired officer Bruce Dzamba.
This was the building mentioned in a local news report by journalist Pablo Guzman, which Trump had pointed to as proof.
On the air, Guzman, citing unnamed sources, said federal officials had detained eight men at this scene who were cheering.
Retired officer Arthur Teeter, who worked in the radio room on 9/11, told NJ.com that this was one of several addresses where cheering was witnessed and that bystanders called in to report.
'They said they were witnessing this,' Teeter said. 'We don't send out cars based on someone saying somebody else saw it.'
NJ Advance Media journalists found a handful of other officers who shared similar recollections but would not go on the record, in part, because they feared repercussions from Jersey City Mayor Steven Fulop, who has repeatedly said that the celebrations did not happen.
'There are no records of this, and over time, what has happened is that it has become urban legend in many cities where people say they heard or saw something,' Fulop said. 'At the end of the day, the only thing we can go on are facts. There is no media record. There is no police record. There is nothing.'





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Several retired police officers who worked on 9/11 said they remembered celebrations and reports of cheerign on rooftops in Jersey City, where residents could see the smoke coming up from the fallen tower



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Fulop questioned why Gallagher didn't file a report at the time.
Gallagher responded saying that 'if no violence is involved it is, and was, a minor assignment.'
'The people on the roof were cooperative as were the people on the sidewalk,' he continued. 'No report was necessary.'
Other officers who served alongside Gallagher said he wouldn't make something like this up.
'I would have no reason to doubt Pete,' said Tom Comey, a former New Jersey police chief. 'He's a man of high integrity.'
Gallagher told NJ.com that he didn't come forward to make a political statement, just to set the record straight.
'The celebrations happened,' he said. 'All or most on rooftops. The [Jersey City Police Department] leadership put on an order to seek the cooperation of the Muslim celebrants for their own safety. By 2 p.m. there were no more celebrations and my squad was designated a roving patrol to guard about six mosques.'
Trump again made a claim about Muslims celebrating on 9/11 when he appeared on This Week with George Stephanopoulos yesterday.
'Oh there were plenty of people cheering, believe me,' Trump said. 'And I've come up with plenty [of evidence],' he told the host, a day before the NJ.com story came out.
'And a lot of people - thousands of people - have been calling and writing and emailing, many people saw it. And it was in New Jersey and it was all over the world, George,' Trump said.
Trump said, however, that there were 'articles written about it,' articles that, to this day, have never been found.


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20-30 people on a rooftop = "Thousands of People celebrating on TV in the streets of NJ?? Only in sick Trump World and the world of Russian Propaganda where this clown now reside.
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20-30 people on a rooftop = "Thousands of People celebrating on TV in the streets of NJ?? Only in sick Trump World and the world of Russian Propaganda where this clown now reside.
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Dozens of Muslim men prayed outside of Donald Trump's corporate and campaign headquarters on Sunday

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Roughly two hundred people attended the protest, many holding signs opposing the Republican candidate's rhetoric and statements saying he would ban Muslims from coming to the US

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Trump's offices in Manhattan have been the target of protests after many of his controversial comments. Above, men pray as part of the demonstration on Sunday


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In addition to those who prayed, some demonstrators held anti-Trump signs saying that he is a fascist


 

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Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump remarked on Democratic presidential contender Hillary Clinton's brief absence from the debate stage on Dec. 19 saying, "Where did she go? I thought she quit."

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. -- Donald Trump launched an aggressive attack on Hillary Clinton on Monday night, saying she was "disgusting" for using the restroom during the latest Democratic debate and that she was "schlonged" by a male political opponent.

Standing before a crowd of 7,500, Trump recounted how the Democratic debate on Saturday night had resumed following a commercial break with only two of the three Democratic candidates. Clinton then walked on stage. Trump asked the crowd four times where Clinton had gone.

"I know where she went -- it's disgusting, I don't want to talk about it," Trump said as the crowd laughed. "It's too disgusting. Don't say it, it's disgusting."

Later in the night, Trump told the crowd that he could not picture Clinton as president because she never wins at anything. He then brought up the 2008 Democratic primary, which Clinton lost to Barack Obama.

"She was favored to win, and she got schlonged," Trump said, turning a vulgar noun for a large penis into a verb.

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Polls may actually underestimate Trump's support, study finds

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David LauterContact Reporter


Donald Trump leads the GOP presidential field in polls of Republican voters nationally and in most early-voting states, but some surveys may actually be understating his support, a new study suggests.

The analysis, by Morning Consult, a polling and market research company, looked at an odd occurrence that has cropped up repeatedly this year: Trump generally has done better in online polls than in surveys done by phone.

The firm conducted an experiment aimed at understanding why that happens and which polls are more accurate -- online surveys that have tended to show Trump with support of nearly four-in-10 GOP voters or the telephone surveys that have typically shown him with the backing of one-third or fewer.


Their results suggest that the higher figure probably provides the more accurate measure. Some significant number of Trump supporters, especially those with college educations, are "less likely to say that they support him when they’re talking to a live human” than when they are in the “anonymous environment” of an online survey, said the firm's polling director, Kyle Dropp.


With Trump dominating political debates in both parties, gauging his level of support has become a crucial puzzle. The Morning Consult study provides one piece of the solution, although many other uncertainties remain.

Among the complicating factors is this: The gap between online and telephone surveys has narrowed significantly in surveys taken in the last few weeks. That could suggest that Republicans who were reluctant to admit to backing Trump in the past have become more willing to do so recently.

Another issue is that not only can polls change over time, but Trump's support in pre-election surveys might not fully translate into actual votes. He has not invested as heavily as some of his GOP rivals in building the kind of get-out-the-vote operation that candidates typically rely on, particularly in early voting states.


Some of the polls that show heavy support for Trump have also shown him doing better among self-identified independents who lean Republican than among regular GOP voters. At least some of those independents may not be in the habit of voting in primaries and caucuses, which could make a robust turnout operation even more necessary.

On the other hand, a candidate of Trump's level of celebrity may simply not need much of a get-out-the-vote operation. No one really knows.

Another complication is that most polls made public this year have been of people nationwide, not of voters in the states that actually hold the first primaries. In Iowa, which will kick off the election season with party caucuses on Feb. 1, Trump has slipped into second place, trailing Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas in the majority of recent polls.


In New Hampshire, which holds the first primary, on Feb. 9, Trump leads, but less dramatically than in national polls. In recent weeks, he has averaged a bit more than one-quarter of the vote there.


Still, the Morning Consult experiment sheds considerable light on an issue that has puzzled pollsters for months.


The firm polled 2,397 potential Republican voters earlier this month, randomly assigning them to one of three different methods -- a traditional telephone survey with live interviewers calling landlines and cellphones, an online survey and an interactive dialing technique that calls people by telephone and asks them to respond to recorded questions by hitting buttons on their phone.


By randomly assigning people to the three different approaches and running all at the same time, the researchers hoped to eliminate factors that might cause results to vary from one poll to another.


The experiment confirmed that "voters are about six points more likely to support Trump when they’re taking the poll online then when they’re talking to a live interviewer,” said Dropp.


The most telling part of the experiment, however, was that not all types of people responded the same way. Among blue-collar Republicans, who have formed the core of Trump's support, the polls were about the same regardless of method. But among college-educated Republicans, a significant difference appeared, with Trump scoring 9 points better in the online poll.


The most likely explanation for that education gap, Dropp and his colleagues believe, is a well-known problem known as social-desirability bias -- the tendency of people to not want to confess unpopular views to a pollster.


Blue-collar voters don't feel embarrassed about supporting Trump, who is very popular in their communities, the pollsters suggested. But many college-educated

Republicans may hesitate to admit their attraction to Trump, the experiment indicates.


In a public setting such as the Iowa caucuses, where people identify their candidate preference in front of friends and neighbors, that same social-desirability bias may hold sway.


But in most primaries, where voters cast a secret ballot, the study's finding suggests that anonymous online surveys -- the ones that typically show Trump with a larger lead -- provide the more accurate measure of his backing.


"It’s our sense that a lot of polls are under-reporting Trump’s overall support," Dropp said.


http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trump-polls-20151221-story.html
 

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'The women were shouting in Arabic and keening in the high-pitched wail of Arabic fashion,' Gallagher continued. 'They were told to go back to their apartments since a crowd of non-Muslims was gathering on the sidewalk below and we feared for their safety.'

Why, officer Gallagher? You should have shot dead every last one of them.
If I were a cop on an apartment rooftop where I saw any people cheering while watching those towers burn, no way would I not have emptied my gun. I don't care what color or ethnicity they were, fuck them!
 

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If the ticket becomes Trump/Cruz (in either order), I will be happy to to wager that they lose and lose big.


Good.

So we'll circle back on this whenever the R candidates are chosen (and dear God, let's please start whittling down the field ASAP...enough with the overcrowded debate stage already).

If the R ticket is TC or CT, I fully expect to see a screen shot of your all-in wager on the dimocrap party to win the general election. At least six figures, right?
 
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Good.

So we'll circle back on this whenever the R candidates are chosen (and dear God, let's please start whittling down the field ASAP...enough with the overcrowded debate stage already).

If the R ticket is TC or CT, I fully expect to see a screen shot of your all-in wager on the dimocrap party to win the general election. At least six figures, right?

Uh, where can you get 6 figures down? Most books have limits in the 3 figures on political wagers.

On another note, I agree on getting rid of some of these candidates. They need to get this down to 4 quickly.
 

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Polls may actually underestimate Trump's support, study finds

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David LauterContact Reporter


Donald Trump leads the GOP presidential field in polls of Republican voters nationally and in most early-voting states, but some surveys may actually be understating his support, a new study suggests.

The analysis, by Morning Consult, a polling and market research company, looked at an odd occurrence that has cropped up repeatedly this year: Trump generally has done better in online polls than in surveys done by phone.

The firm conducted an experiment aimed at understanding why that happens and which polls are more accurate -- online surveys that have tended to show Trump with support of nearly four-in-10 GOP voters or the telephone surveys that have typically shown him with the backing of one-third or fewer.


Their results suggest that the higher figure probably provides the more accurate measure. Some significant number of Trump supporters, especially those with college educations, are "less likely to say that they support him when they’re talking to a live human” than when they are in the “anonymous environment” of an online survey, said the firm's polling director, Kyle Dropp.


With Trump dominating political debates in both parties, gauging his level of support has become a crucial puzzle. The Morning Consult study provides one piece of the solution, although many other uncertainties remain.

Among the complicating factors is this: The gap between online and telephone surveys has narrowed significantly in surveys taken in the last few weeks. That could suggest that Republicans who were reluctant to admit to backing Trump in the past have become more willing to do so recently.

Another issue is that not only can polls change over time, but Trump's support in pre-election surveys might not fully translate into actual votes. He has not invested as heavily as some of his GOP rivals in building the kind of get-out-the-vote operation that candidates typically rely on, particularly in early voting states.


Some of the polls that show heavy support for Trump have also shown him doing better among self-identified independents who lean Republican than among regular GOP voters. At least some of those independents may not be in the habit of voting in primaries and caucuses, which could make a robust turnout operation even more necessary.

On the other hand, a candidate of Trump's level of celebrity may simply not need much of a get-out-the-vote operation. No one really knows.

Another complication is that most polls made public this year have been of people nationwide, not of voters in the states that actually hold the first primaries. In Iowa, which will kick off the election season with party caucuses on Feb. 1, Trump has slipped into second place, trailing Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas in the majority of recent polls.


In New Hampshire, which holds the first primary, on Feb. 9, Trump leads, but less dramatically than in national polls. In recent weeks, he has averaged a bit more than one-quarter of the vote there.


Still, the Morning Consult experiment sheds considerable light on an issue that has puzzled pollsters for months.


The firm polled 2,397 potential Republican voters earlier this month, randomly assigning them to one of three different methods -- a traditional telephone survey with live interviewers calling landlines and cellphones, an online survey and an interactive dialing technique that calls people by telephone and asks them to respond to recorded questions by hitting buttons on their phone.


By randomly assigning people to the three different approaches and running all at the same time, the researchers hoped to eliminate factors that might cause results to vary from one poll to another.


The experiment confirmed that "voters are about six points more likely to support Trump when they’re taking the poll online then when they’re talking to a live interviewer,” said Dropp.


The most telling part of the experiment, however, was that not all types of people responded the same way. Among blue-collar Republicans, who have formed the core of Trump's support, the polls were about the same regardless of method. But among college-educated Republicans, a significant difference appeared, with Trump scoring 9 points better in the online poll.


The most likely explanation for that education gap, Dropp and his colleagues believe, is a well-known problem known as social-desirability bias -- the tendency of people to not want to confess unpopular views to a pollster.


Blue-collar voters don't feel embarrassed about supporting Trump, who is very popular in their communities, the pollsters suggested. But many college-educated

Republicans may hesitate to admit their attraction to Trump, the experiment indicates.


In a public setting such as the Iowa caucuses, where people identify their candidate preference in front of friends and neighbors, that same social-desirability bias may hold sway.


But in most primaries, where voters cast a secret ballot, the study's finding suggests that anonymous online surveys -- the ones that typically show Trump with a larger lead -- provide the more accurate measure of his backing.


"It’s our sense that a lot of polls are under-reporting Trump’s overall support," Dropp said.


http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trump-polls-20151221-story.html


He'll probably appoint a few of his opponents for high cabinet posts after he's elected.

Attorney General: Chris Christie
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Ben Carson

Appointed to the Supreme Court: Ted Cruz
 

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[h=2]Can YOU spot the panda? Mind-bending festive puzzle leaves thousands of people bewildered as it sweeps Facebook[/h]
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Hungarian artist Gergely Dudás challenged his 13,000 Facebook followers to try and find the panda hidden amongst the snowmen in the festive puzzle. Some spotted it in as little as five seconds, while many are still hunting for it in vain and have vented their frustrations by posting online. The Where's Wally-style cartoon was liked by 42,000 people and shared 100,000 times within days.

 

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He'll probably appoint a few of his opponents for high cabinet posts after he's elected.

Attorney General: Chris Christie
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Ben Carson

Appointed to the Supreme Court: Ted Cruz

It's too bad Ted Cruz can't utter the word "DEPORT!" or his big donors will desert him.

Lots of possibilities for Ted Cruz...Attorney General, Vice President (as Trump's top constitutional adviser), Supreme Court justice...

All of the above.
 

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Got him. About 12 seconds. A hint is below. So if you don't want to know yet scroll past the rest of this post.























Look for a face with no carrot.
 

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He'll probably appoint a few of his opponents for high cabinet posts after he's elected.

Attorney General: Chris Christie
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Ben Carson

Appointed to the Supreme Court: Ted Cruz

Lmao. Ted Cruz on Supreme Court. That's good stuff. Trump even called Cruz a maniac.
 

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Typical bullshit vtard response: no response.

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What the fuck are you talking about? I'm willing to bet on it. You aren't? why do you always try to make bets where you have no risk?

Im willing to risk. I take dem candidate and you take republican candidate if Cruz or Trump. Loser gone forever.

Deal?
 

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