Herbert

[tallsports]

If I were Herbert, I would be looking to leave at 1st chance... He isn't an injury risk so let them franchise you a couple times and make 45 million a year then bolt.... Pick your team while in prime.

The Chargers are notorious for aquiring talent yet never materializing into anything. They had the best running back of the past 20 years. Nothing happened... With Rivers who was a top 5 qb. with a top 4 defensive player in Merriman.... They just always under perform even with talent.

Which you have to figure in with coaching and front office. Guys leave there and win at other places.

Weird organization. He is a top 5 qb but will struggle to get a wild card until he leaves...and by the way, how was he not taken higher. Nothing not to like about his game. Smart, accurate, pocket presence, can make all throws, and has great size. 4 year guy at a mid level program and made them relevant. Don't remember who weas in the draft class but he fell to like 7-10 or something.

 

[REDEYE]

If I were Herbert, I would be looking to leave at 1st chance... He isn't an injury risk so let them franchise you a couple times and make 45 million a year then bolt.... Pick your team while in prime.

The Chargers are notorious for aquiring talent yet never materializing into anything. They had the best running back of the past 20 years. Nothing happened... With Rivers who was a top 5 qb. with a top 4 defensive player in Merriman.... They just always under perform even with talent.

Which you have to figure in with coaching and front office. Guys leave there and win at other places.

Weird organization. He is a top 5 qb but will struggle to get a wild card until he leaves...and by the way, how was he not taken higher. Nothing not to like about his game. Smart, accurate, pocket presence, can make all throws, and has great size. 4 year guy at a mid level program and made them relevant. Don't remember who weas in the draft class but he fell to like 7-10 or something.

I've said it a couple of times now. The Chargers as an organization have to catch up with Herbert. Acquiring the talent isn't the problem.

The team is injury plagued for some reason. LY was a disaster with injuries, but not the first time either. Coaching decisions are bizzare at times to say the least. Herbert should take his talents somewhere else if the same issues keep popping up.

Oregon isn't a mid level program either. More like a high level program

 

[Serbone]

"when all were healthy", if you rely on QBR to dictate who the better QB is, then I don't know what to tell you lol. Running and sack rate are so laughably overvalued in those stats, of course Burrow will not rank as high in it.
You asked "based on what?" so I gave you one gauge, then pointed out that QBR is not everything
I think injuries played more of a role for Herbert, but he was still underwhelming all year long
Ridiculous, he was injured almost all year, is having surgery
Burrow didn't choke against the Chiefs lol you must really think Mahomes and Allen are all-time chokers if you think that game was a choke. Since you're a QBR fan, you must love that Mahomes had a QBR of 1 in second half/OT against Bengals last year. Allen got his ass handed to him at home in the cold against Burrow. Burrow threw a bad pick early, but the second one was just a phenomenal defensive play and served as an arm punt. It was a good throw. I guess you should just ignore the two clutch, perfect throws to Higgins and Chase. And that early one to Hurst that he dropped.
Allen was injured, cant you read English? Elbow 2nd half of season, a child could see he did not have zip on the ball that he usually has, doctors and trainers just decided against surgery & Burrow choked vs KC, yes he did
The Burrow hate is real

You are the most over the top blind homer I have ever seen on this site, oblivious to the truth.
Herbert-Burrow-Allen-Mahomes are the elite 4 take any one for the next 5 years.
Next year I would put Cincinnati #6 in the Super Bowl race, at this point, pending FA losses, FA gains, and draft gains.

 

[Serbone]

Herbert's surgery was on his left shoulder

That affects throwing too, it affects throwing, ask Mayfield, Trubisky, and some others that had bad non throwing shoulders and still played.

AND Herbert played with broken ribs for a long stretch early in the season. Any one with a brain that had seen him last yr and this yr before the injuries knows he can pass with the best of them.

 

[tallsports]

I've said it a couple of times now. The Chargers as an organization have to catch up with Herbert. Acquiring the talent isn't the problem.

The team is injury plagued for some reason. LY was a disaster with injuries, but not the first time either. Coaching decisions are bizzare at times to say the least. Herbert should take his talents somewhere else if the same issues keep popping up.

Oregon isn't a mid level program either. More like a high level program

Oregon certainly isn't an "elite" program. They are more of a 12-15 rank program and in the pac 10 there isn't alot of competition. USC wasn't even that good and went like 11-2.

Herbert is great. I can see it and I understang things others don't. He needs to get out of their after they franchise him. Chargers have always been a dumpster fire... Get a great qb and they hire a defensive guy making his 1st head coaching stop.

 

[Avocado33]

You are the most over the top blind homer I have ever seen on this site, oblivious to the truth.
Herbert-Burrow-Allen-Mahomes are the elite 4 take any one for the next 5 years.
Next year I would put Cincinnati #6 in the Super Bowl race, at this point, pending FA losses, FA gains, and draft gains.

Oblivious to the truth?

You didn’t even know what arm Herbert had surgery on. Lol

Allen was chucking balls 50 yards down the sideline into double coverage on third downs against Cincy, but sure his elbow was the problem. How about making a correct play and trying to hit the open guy in the flat? What a crazy concept!

You should’ve been all over Cincy at +6 if you were concerned about Allen’s elbow

What 5 teams do you have ahead of the Bengals? This should be good

 

[Avocado33]

Herbert's surgery was on his left shoulder

Shit is too funny

 

[tallsports]

Think next year, Bengals make super bowl. Last year they get Burrow on the cheap.

Burrow and Chase are only a 20 million cap hit combined next year... which is just crazy being that # could easily be 80 million if not higher.

Have to make it happen in 2023.... Plus the NFL wants it to happen.

 

[Avocado33]

Think next year, Bengals make super bowl. Last year they get Burrow on the cheap.

Burrow and Chase are only a 20 million cap hit combined next year...

Have to make it happen in 2023.... Plus the NFL wants it to happen.

Only team I would favor over them is KC given their young talent.


Chiefs and Bengals are clearly ahead of the pack in the AFC. Bills will regress. Chargers will do Charger things

That said for first time ever I’m gonna predict Bengals AFC championship and Super Bowl win. They are loaded and this is year to get it done with cost friendly team

 

[tallsports]

Eagles will take a step backward after they overpay for Hurts. Teams will never learn.

 

[Avocado33]

Eagles will take a step backward after they overpay for Hurts. Teams will never learn.

Most likely

Eagles defense also just not nearly as good as people think. Schedule is going to be tougher this year

Candidate for massive Super Bowl hangover

 

[Avocado33]

after they overpay for Hurts

What kind of contract do you think he gets?

He seems like a guy just inside the top 10 maybe in terms of QB rankings?

 

[Serbone]

I knew it was his off shoulder, never said it wasn't, you are making things up... not even a nice try, you are being dishonest, again.

Completion % 2022:

• Burrow: 68.3%
• Herbert: 68.2% with broken ribs then injured shoulder

Yards:

• Herbert 4,739 with broken ribs then injured shoulder
• Burrow 4,475

RE Allen you apparently do not understand that yes, he could chuck a ball 30 yards, on TV it looks OK, but NO, he could not throw it as hard and as accurately as in the past with that bad elbow.

 

[tallsports]

What kind of contract do you think he gets?

He seems like a guy just inside the top 10 maybe in terms of QB rankings?

Rumor is 40-50 million a year.... Ridiculous. This was his year... Don't pay for the past.

That is why the Patriots were good... They didn't pay for past performance. They paid for what you will do in the future.

 

[REDEYE]

I knew it was his off shoulder, never said it wasn't, you are making things up... not even a nice try, you are being dishonest, again.

Completion % 2022:

• Burrow: 68.3%
• Herbert: 68.2% with broken ribs then injured shoulder

Yards:

• Herbert 4,739 with broken ribs then injured shoulder
• Burrow 4,475

RE Allen you apparently do not understand that yes, he could chuck a ball 30 yards, on TV it looks OK, but NO, he could not throw it as hard and as accurately as in the past with that bad elbow.

Three OL including Pro Bowl LT out for most or a good chunk of the season didn't help either. Both WR out for extended time, Guyton went down also.

 

[Avocado33]

I knew it was his off shoulder, never said it wasn't, you are making things up... not even a nice try, you are being dishonest, again.

Completion % 2022:

• Burrow: 68.3%
• Herbert: 68.2% with broken ribs then injured shoulder

Both great in this respect. But here's a stat for you:

As of the end of the 2022 regular season, Joe Burrow is the all-time NFL Leader in completion percentage, with Drew Brees slightly behind

Yards:

• Herbert 4,739 with broken ribs then injured shoulder
• Burrow 4,475

A little deceptive, no?

Why don't you mention passing attempts as well? Herbert 699, Burrow 606

So Herbert threw for 266 more yards on 93 more passes LOL

Talk about painting a false picture

 

[SheriffJoe]

Burrow was sacked five times against the Chiefs and four times against the Ravens in these playoffs. Five times against the dynasty err, Browns during the regular season.

He just can't improvise when his pocket collapses.

D coordinators across the league are starting to figure this guy out.

 

[Avocado33]

I know the Chargers organization isn't top notch

But if Herbert's injury was so bad, why did he play in Week 17 in a meaningless game?

 

[Avocado33]

Burrow was sacked five times against the Chiefs and four times against the Ravens in these playoffs. Five times against the dynasty err, Browns during the regular season.

He just can't improvise when his pocket collapses.

D coordinators across the league are starting to figure this guy out.

When Allen is sacked, it's the offensive line's fault. Hell, maybe it's Damar Hamlin's fault

But when Burrow is sacked with 3 starting lineman out, it's always his fault

Got it

 

[Avocado33]

RE Allen you apparently do not understand that yes, he could chuck a ball 30 yards, on TV it looks OK, but NO, he could not throw it as hard and as accurately as in the past with that bad elbow.

The joke is I never said Herbert sucks

In fact, I agree about the top 4 QB's - just different order

I just think Mahomes and Burrow are 1 and 2, then Herbert 3 and Allen 4