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Somebody in this thread did. They know who. Not knocking the amount to each their own. Or even the plays. To each their own. But all this hedge and odds and casinos do this and losing value in the thread I found it funny that’s what stat and value genius wager.

Juice bar doesn’t parlay anyway. It’s -3 to -2.5 and ML -7 to -6 and ml and tease -3 to -9 teams. Guy catches shit but the old grumpy head usually has tight lil core on his teasers and does well.
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I'm sure it's been set already but nobody can cap four missed Pat's ffs.
 

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There actually are rare instances where hedging could be +EV move

Example would be a dramatic price change of that 6th leg. Maybe both QBs are suddenly ruled out and total drops a bit. Sometimes the initial change is understated, and so there could be some value in hedging at a relatively cheap price for under45.5 before total drops even more

Extreme/rare example but one that exists

Also EV in general is not the end all be all for one off situations like this
 

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A one off. Lol. Yes this was his only bet/parlay and he will never gamble again.

You could also argue that in a theoretical world he is always a 66/33 favorite so it's always correct to take 60/40 that way he is just always stacking cash and avoiding variance/risk of ruin in the process.

EV is the end all be all. Unless your a fruit that gambles above ur means/bankroll. In that sense ur an amateur and entertainment gambler who is just lying to themselves.

At lest Hansen understood he was in 1st grade...eventually.

And I understand I am going off as a prick. But really haven't a clue what u guys are arguing. Nobody is telling you how to gamble I am just telling you the correct way to maximize returns and for strange reasons this is getting push back. It's math. Not my opinion.

But good luck with your gambling and ill leave it at that. :)
 

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Just to clear up any confusion this is with sports betting.

Of course they are opportunities in poker to take a -ev play or to avoid the best +ev to take advantage of a player later for a higher +ev play...

But one can go through the charts themselves of ev and exploitable strategies. Just the fundamentals of sports betting seems to be lost here.
 

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That was ugly. Hopefully he gets that part of his game back in control. Close to 3 months before the Masters. Should be able to get it out of his system.
great line on Kim, yikes, nice


4:02'. This is on the backside Sunday -- his mind froze. Couldnt commit , didnt trust the new swing...look how deep a divot he made, lol. He has the very same shot again, pretty much does the same thing but commits look at the size of that divot-crazy steep,handsy -not at all like Stricker. This HAS to be sorted before Augusta--those greens?

not going to lie: that's something we do :)
 

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i'll say this about Morikawa-- he stuck around and faced the music, post-round. Dude blew i think it was like a 7-shot lead?........Remember a young Tiger? bad round? ..walks past reporters, lol
 

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Why do teams usually kick extra points if it is often the incorrect move based on EV?
 

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Many coaches still like to coach off feel. It's ridiculous. That's how you end up with 2 time outs remaining and only 8 seconds left on the clock when you started the poss. with 2 times outs and 1:40(or whatever it was in the Bengals-Ravens game)

sports has come a far way though---

4th and 26 game---Packers had ball at eagles 40 facing 4th and inches with around 2 min left and----PUNT. You would see this happen 0 percent of time today but was kinda still the standard back in '05.( or whatever year that game was played)

NBA 3 pointers.

MLB teams no longer caring about the strike out. No longer bunting people over to 2nd(lol).

Don't get me wrong this is game theory and a lot of it does take away from the enjoyment of watching sports. But what can you do---have people pretend they don't know the best ways to win their particular contests? In baseball this is the worst--the shift and strike outs, along with figuring stealing bases is a highly negative play(so no longer do that) has taken away from the entertainment factor. No question.
 

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What a terrible way to lose that parlay!!! One extra point gets you the over!!! Next time just start off with the 40 bucks and bet each game individually and double after each with. You'll win much more and can stop anytime! Much better than playing a parlay!
 

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I agree. Parlays are like throwing money away but some people hit them.
 

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Where do you guys get this stuff?

This couldn't be more false.

Once again this is why many online books have a buy-out option on parlays. They simply offer you a lesser amount then the expected value of where the parlay stands currently.

This isn't hard to understand.

edit: you are also implying to always hedge as who in their right mind is going to like something 19x more than something else. This is mathematically false and i don't even in the slightest understand the math you are using to come to this conclusion.
Youre a moron if you take any books cashout offer. If you really want to get off the original bet you can fully hedge it yourself at another book and lock in more profit every time vs the cashout. I have yet to see a cashout offer ever be greater than what you can make by simply fully hedging it out yourself.

I agree with everyone that said to manually bet those 6 games vs putting them in a parlay for more value. Personally in this situation where each game will probably be finished before the start of the next one I wouldve bet each on separately with a half press or 3/4 press to lock in some profits along the way. I only play parlays when there are several games starting at the same time or if some games wont be over before the start of others.

I just showed you the math where that last leg of the parlay essentially turned into a straight bet on the cowboys over risking about 19x the original parlay amount. Youre probably right that most people wont like a game 19x more than another but youre assuming that all the legs of the parlay are the same sport or that people bet the same unit sizes on all sports. Its common for people to bet different unit sizes on different sports so one sports unit size may be 10x 20x or even 50x vs another sport. So if you have a mixed sport parlay you might end up with the last leg of the parlay on a sport you bet the heaviest on
 

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Youre a moron if you take any books cashout offer. If you really want to get off the original bet you can fully hedge it yourself at another book and lock in more profit every time vs the cashout. I have yet to see a cashout offer ever be greater than what you can make by simply fully hedging it out yourself.

I agree with everyone that said to manually bet those 6 games vs putting them in a parlay for more value. Personally in this situation where each game will probably be finished before the start of the next one I wouldve bet each on separately with a half press or 3/4 press to lock in some profits along the way. I only play parlays when there are several games starting at the same time or if some games wont be over before the start of others.

I just showed you the math where that last leg of the parlay essentially turned into a straight bet on the cowboys over risking about 19x the original parlay amount. Youre probably right that most people wont like a game 19x more than another but youre assuming that all the legs of the parlay are the same sport or that people bet the same unit sizes on all sports. Its common for people to bet different unit sizes on different sports so one sports unit size may be 10x 20x or even 50x vs another sport. So if you have a mixed sport parlay you might end up with the last leg of the parlay on a sport you bet the heaviest on
Laying another-110 is simply wrong if ur goal is to maximize.

But I have already laid out the mathematical reasons.

Gl on ur gambling.
 

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I'll try to explain this one last time as simplistic and as easy to understand as possible---consider it gambling 101 for professional beginners.

Your entire goal in any form of gambling is to print positive ev(expected value). All pit games come with negative ev. Outside of counting cards in blackjack. You can figure your theoretical loss by taking total amount wagered multiplied by the house edge. Example single 0 roulette has a house edge of 2.26 percent(going off memory here) for every $1,000 wagered your theoretical loss will be $22.6--- 99.7 percent of gamblers will fall within 3 standard deviations---ahead or below the -22.6, this is the luck factor. As you gamble more and more even being on the positive of 3 standard devitions won't be enough for you to break even.

Fun facts in the game of Blackjack---when you double(properly) you decreased your chances of winning but substantially increase your positive ev in that particular hand. When you take insurance on your blackjack you increase your chances of winning too 100 percent(obviously) but decrease your positive ev.

Ugh. Going to indepth.

Real quick. If you are 66/33 percent to win something and always take a buy out of 60/40 so you win 100 percent of that 60 percent----Is this really good business? This is also why almost all sportsbooks offer a buy-out amount on parlays. Because they are returning you less than your expected value(ev). You think books do this out of the goodness of their heart?

You need to understand stats and probabilities to have any sort of chance gambling---if you're doing it for more than entertainment.

Good lord. What are you debating?


Hopefully it's simple enough and i don't have to take the time to write it all out.

But like i said. Next time you are losing a bet offer the book an amount less then their expect value on the win and see if they jump to accept so it "secures" their win.

This is math genius or rocket science. This is fundamentals.
If you missed it. Clearly laid out.
 

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perfect gift for the hedgers in your life

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