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Honey Badger Don't Give A Shit
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If you voluntarily signed a W-4 from the IRS, you have agreed you will pay a portion of your wages as income tax. No one is forcing you to do anything
 

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B'man--However, we do not have any say in the portion of our wages that is "allocated" to income tax.

If I dig back into this shell of a memory I have to 4th Grade American History, I believe one of the reasons this country was founded was because some felt there was taxation without representation in England. Unfortunately, this country is committing the same offense against its people that the Crown was accused of in England.
 

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B'man--However, we do not have any say in the portion of our wages that is "allocated" to income tax.

Of course we do.

We are each constituents to three US Congressmen, two of which are in the US House where such decisions have their origin.

Now I'm not suggesting that your or my voice is given the same level of gravity as some other voices, but that is our legal and constitutional avenue for influencing the portion of our wages that are allocated to federal income tax.
 

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In the meantime, I'll throw out my semi-monthly reminder that in 21st century USA, it's incumbent upon all of us with forward thinking to creatively devise ways to peaceably reduce our exposure to federal income tax. Because each of us has honest and legitimate complaints about how our federal tax dollars are applied and our objections receive rather short shrift from our elected federal officials.
 

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Of course we do.

We are each constituents to three US Congressmen, two of which are in the US House where such decisions have their origin.

Now I'm not suggesting that your or my voice is given the same level of gravity as some other voices, but that is our legal and constitutional avenue for influencing the portion of our wages that are allocated to federal income tax.

One in the House, Two in the Senate.

Anyway, I realize that it is not possible for each of us to earmark spending as we want. However, the influence in Washington is driven by lobbyists and business interests, not the individual constituents. Sure, once there is media coverage of voter backlash, there is some influence.

However, I feel that my "voice" is not heard despite emails, letters, twitter, to my Congressman. At this point, he probably thinks I am a kook, but it is frustrating as hell.


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urk...get typing too fast reminding me friends importance of lowering your tax exposure and suddenly I'm mixed up between One and Two.

correct...and none of the three are giving you or me much of an ear.

So peaceably reduce your tax exposure and consider the money saved as "the part that would have paid for Obamacare" - and I'll consider my savings as "the part that would have bombed more Mideast cities".
 

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For some time I’ve had the mistaken belief that the pundits know what they are talking about. Then I realized that a few pundits have genuine insights. Those who do seem to know what’s happening are our own Chuck Todd, Howard Fineman, Jonathan Alter, and of course Richard Wolffe. When they are guests on MSNBC, I usually stop what I’m doing and listen. Howard Fineman and Jonathan Alter seem to think healthcare will pass by the end of the year. The “Blue Dogs” may not be for the public option, and they want to control spending, but they do not want to take the blame for it not passing. When things really get serious, there will be some tough negotiating between the White House and the blue dogs.

Obama Agenda: A defining Moment?
Not…Obama has 3 years and 6 months in his first term. Only if you are myopic (shortsighted) is this a defining moment. A lot of things will happen in the next seven and a half years. Yes, he will be reelected in 2012!

The pundits aren’t saying much about what could happen in the mid-term elections for those Republicans who vote against healthcare. Healthcare is an excellent example of the people being ahead of the politicians. Republicans who vote against healthcare will likely find a severe backlash come November 2010.

Pat from Boston: For the past few days I’ve missed your comments. You bring sanity to a website that can always use your wisdom.

Quoted from MSNBC News....my belief is that healthcare needs to be reformed in our country and the congress and the president are working on it. No final decisions have been made and all points are negotiable....is a work in progress. Whatever is decided will not effect me and I am willing to pay a little more so that all children and adults are entitled to healthcare that is necessary and not fraudulent. I receive my healthcare from the VA as a reward for my service and appreciate that and how much it saves me.
 

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In the meantime, I'll throw out my semi-monthly reminder that in 21st century USA, it's incumbent upon all of us with forward thinking to creatively devise ways to peaceably reduce our exposure to federal income tax. Because each of us has honest and legitimate complaints about how our federal tax dollars are applied and our objections receive rather short shrift from our elected federal officials.

You must be talking about Willie. :laugh:
 

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Death, cost, benefits. Taking all into consideration our healthcare ranks 15th in the world but it ranks number one in cost.

Now you republicans may think that is a bargain but remember that you republicans got voted out of office because you have no conception of what the real world is all about.

Death, cost, benefits. Taking all into consideration our healthcare ranks 15th in the world but it ranks number one in cost.

Bye Bye Punter :howdy:

ObamaCare Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends
 

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You must be talking about Willie. :laugh:

Willie certainly has shown me ways to reduce my federal income tax exposure on the income which I report.

I also suggest that it makes good sense for all Americans to learn ways to create income that can remain unreported without undue chance of detection.
 

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lol at the notion the federal government (or any government) will dictate how my life ends.

Every American is well advised to have a peaceful suicide plan in place as you reach your older years (75+ for most folks). When done in cooperation with other loved ones, no one needs fear there final days or weeks will be controlled by some bureaucratic overseer.
 

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Willie certainly has shown me ways to reduce my federal income tax exposure on the income which I report.

I also suggest that it makes good sense for all Americans to learn ways to create income that can remain unreported without undue chance of detection.

I agree completely, that is why when I cash a bet I make sure it’s just under a signer.
 

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lol at the notion the federal government (or any government) will dictate how my life ends.

Every American is well advised to have a peaceful suicide plan in place as you reach your older years (75+ for most folks). When done in cooperation with other loved ones, no one needs fear there final days or weeks will be controlled by some bureaucratic overseer.

Again I agree. I would hope that I have the balls to do it if it comes to that. I’d like to thing I’d have the balls, but you never know.
 

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WTF just happened? Did I just agreed with BM on two issues? Next thing you know I’ll be agreeing with punter.

:lol:
 

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WTF just happened? Did I just agreed with BM on two issues? Next thing you know I’ll be agreeing with punter.

:lol:

Well, that's what happens when I get loose with some basic Life Fundamentals that aren't altered or otherwise distorted by one's prevailing choice of political philosophy.
 

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lol at the notion the federal government (or any government) will dictate how my life ends.

Every American is well advised to have a peaceful suicide plan in place as you reach your older years (75+ for most folks). When done in cooperation with other loved ones, no one needs fear there final days or weeks will be controlled by some bureaucratic overseer.

I think you misunderstand the end life counseling Obamacare proposes.

It would be mandatory when you start receiving SS.

They will try to talk you into ending it all early because elderly health care will be rationed...and you will just be miserable anyway.

More like age 65 under Obamacare...people will die sooner under rationed elderly health care provisions.

C'mon grandma...do your part. Drink the hemlock...you go girl.
 

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You are a really sick fuck.

I didn't propose it...your boy Obama did.

Bye bye Punt...you don't even know what you voted for....LMAO. :):)

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"One of the most shocking things is page 425, where the Congress would make it mandatory absolutely that every five years people in Medicare have a required counseling session," she said. "They will tell [them] how to end their life sooner.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The House bill requires "an explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title." [/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The measure also recommends a discussion on "the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration" and that elderly patients could be advised not to receive it, which would hasten death.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The message to patients is "to do what's in society's best interests, and cut your life short."[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]C'mon Punt...take one for the team buddy[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Do this do this in France too?[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] :lol: :103631605[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Libs are hilarious...blowback city. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
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