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Yes I did even though I was told I had the exact same blue cross plan. Boiler room operators lying through their teeth
Why couldn't you keep your doctor? I'm not trying to be an ass here, I'm very curious to know how this is happening since I know no one who lost their doctor. Not saying it hasn't happened just curious how it's happening.
 

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Why couldn't you keep your doctor? I'm not trying to be an ass here, I'm very curious to know how this is happening since I know no one who lost their doctor. Not saying it hasn't happened just curious how it's happening.

Because they dont want anything to do with the lie that is Obumma care. This has happened to millions
 
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Because they dont want anything to do with the lie that is Obumma care. This has happened to millions
so that is the reason your doctor gave you? Or are you just blabbering because you don't have a real answer? Do you have insurance thru Obamacare or with the company you work for?
 

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so that is the reason your doctor gave you? Or are you just blabbering because you don't have a real answer? Do you have insurance thru Obamacare or with the company you work for?

It is called covered California. If you dont believe me google it. If this all.comes as news to you it is time for you to read up and get a clue! Bkabbering ? You should look in the mirror
 

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I had the privilege of presenting to the Trump administration on several occasions leading up to the potential vote on Ryan's healthcare initiative. Our firm also presented to the Obama administration leading into the ACA roll out, although I wasn't present at those meetings. I think it's important to note, whatever people think about any administration in power, they are backed by some of he best minds in any field, issue or topic. Granted, these resources may be handcuffed by party lines, political BS, etc., but they are well aware of the issues with any sort of bill or reform they propose.

Our firm actually thought Trump wouldn't even back Ryan's plan since it was abundantly clear to anyone close to the matter that the bill was an utter disaster. During our initial two sessions, Trump was oddly quiet with the media on the topic and his advisors present at the meetings were in agreement about the massive shortfalls of the bill and the potential catastrophic long term implications. We actually thought he'd let Ryan fall on the sword and maybe get a little egg on the face for having to admit he had no plan for HC, but point to the massive issues with the ACA, potential massive issues with Ryan's plan and the complexities of healthcare as to why they don't have a reasonable plan in place yet, which would ultimately be understandable.

Not sure what changed, but the following week he did finally back the bill and begin pressuring the Republicabs to support it. Ultimately he didn't get it done, but that's a huge win for his administration. The bill was so horrifically bad it would have hung with his name and legacy long after he was gone. Sure, he gets a bit more egg on the face than simply not supporting it by showing he had no plan, which was given no matter what, showing an inability to negotiate/persuade votes, but ultimately those are minor concerns compared to the issues the administration would have faced if it passed.

Ironically, what became unbundently clear was the administrations dealings with Democrats appears to likely pale in comparison to the dealings with the Freedom Caucus members. Sure, there are plenty of spineless, crybaby Democratic officials, but some, possibly many would likely work with Trump on many issues. The Freedom Caucus seems intent on blocking anything and everything unless it derives from one of their own, which Trump is clearly not. That's an interesting group of people to say the least.

Sounds like you are in the industry and understand the issues. I think the bottom dollar is that healthcare is very complicated and the solutions will only come with some pain. Healthcare was problem before Obamacare and will continue to be a problem. The only real solution is to look at the problem in a different manner. Start with how much money we are willing to dedicate as a country. Then come up with a list of things we want to cover and how much each item on the list costs. So if immunizing all of the children is the first item and it costs $5 million dollars....every kid can get his shot. If we run out of money at item 1,000 and you have condition 1,001.....your insurance does not cover it. You would then be able to purchase a supplemental plan that covers items 1001 and up. Or 1,001 to 2,000....maybe another plane to cover 1,001 to 5,000.....what ever it is. No healthcare plan will be successful if it covers everything. You have to make some hard choice and that means not covering everything. I believe the stats are a senior over the age of 80 gets a hip replacement to the tune of $150,000 their life expectancy is less than a year. Sorry but this does not seem like well spent money. This is why you have to work backwards and see what can be covered with a certain dollar amount....not cover everything and figure out how to pay for it.
 
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It is called covered California. If you dont believe me google it. If this all.comes as news to you it is time for you to read up and get a clue! Bkabbering ? You should look in the mirror
Why are you such an asshole? I don't need to read up on anything that doesn't pertain to me which is why I asked the question which you still have not answered. I have insurance thru my employer so don't deal with Obamacare. I have great insurance and have no issues so I'm just curious as to why some are. But I'm looking for specific reasons, not just saying it's because of Obamacare because that's not an answer. So I'll ask again, why specifically could you not keep the doctor you had?
 

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Why are you such an asshole? I don't need to read up on anything that doesn't pertain to me which is why I asked the question which you still have not answered. I have insurance thru my employer so don't deal with Obamacare. I have great insurance and have no issues so I'm just curious as to why some are. But I'm looking for specific reasons, not just saying it's because of Obamacare because that's not an answer. So I'll ask again, why specifically could you not keep the doctor you had?

Another clown who only cares about himself and wants to talk sh*t. I dont owe you any explanations but here it is. I am self employeed and had a lapse in my insurance. Boiler room calls and says that I can get my same exact plan back and keep my doctor. Now why dont you do some research online and tell me that you have found out that insurance companies are pulling out in droves and doctors are not accepting patients. The Obamma Care was a lie and no you cant keep your doctor and no it is not the "same"
 
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I'm not talking shit at all, just trying to get an answer to a question which you won't answer but that's ok. I can tell you are upset and pissed off at the world so I'll leave you alone now and you go follow Vit around like you normally do. I know that makes you happy.
 

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I'm not talking shit at all, just trying to get an answer to a question which you won't answer but that's ok. I can tell you are upset and pissed off at the world so I'll leave you alone now and you go follow Vit around like you normally do. I know that makes you happy.

How bout this one more time, DOCTORS DONT WANT PATIENTS ON THE COVERED CALIFORNIA PLAN. DOCTORS ACROSS THE NATION WONT TAKE PATIENTS WITH OBUMMA CARE. IT IS A LIE AND A SCAM . Now go do some research.
So typical of you to tie this all into your man crush on the Turd
 
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How bout this one more time, DOCTORS DONT WANT PATIENTS ON THE COVERED CALIFORNIA PLAN. DOCTORS ACROSS THE NATION WONT TAKE PATIENTS WITH OBUMMA CARE. IT IS A LIE AND A SCAM . Now go do some research.
So typical of you to tie this all into your man crush on the Turd
I got it now. Everyone who has Obamacare doesn't have a doctor. That makes sense. You know what dickhead, I am so glad you had to get a new doctor and I hope your premiums go sky high and you have to pay thru the nose for insurance. I tried to have reasonable discussion about something but you are unable to do that because you are incapable. And I see from your post in poly forum you were already trolling Vit and posting what he is doing so you must be happy now. My premiums cost me $1300 last year and I got to keep my doctor Lol. Life is grand!
 

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I got it now. Everyone who has Obamacare doesn't have a doctor. That makes sense. You know what dickhead, I am so glad you had to get a new doctor and I hope your premiums go sky high and you have to pay thru the nose for insurance. I tried to have reasonable discussion about something but you are unable to do that because you are incapable. And I see from your post in poly forum you were already trolling Vit and posting what he is doing so you must be happy now. My premiums cost me $1300 last year and I got to keep my doctor Lol. Life is grand!

Dont play stupid you worthless troll. Doctors dont take the shit because they know they wont get paid. You are one extremely clueless f*ck and should really just stop. Did I say everybody doesnt have a doctor ? This isnt about doctors taking or not taking patients it is about your man crush on vitturd.How "Grand" can life be when you only post about your man crush?
 
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Dont play stupid you worthless troll. Doctors dont take the shit because they know they wont get paid. You are one extremely clueless f*ck and should really just stop. Did I say everybody doesnt have a doctor ? This isnt about doctors taking or not taking patients it is about your man crush on vitturd.How "Grand" can life be when you only post about your man crush?
You are the one posting all over the forum about Vit, not me. And actually this was about you explaining why exactly you couldn't keep your doctor. You still haven't given me a specific reason why. You just keep blaming it on Obamacare. Are you saying your doctor doesn't believe you will pay him? Is that why he dropped you? Just answer the question.
 

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You are the one posting all over the forum about Vit, not me. And actually this was about you explaining why exactly you couldn't keep your doctor. You still haven't given me a specific reason why. You just keep blaming it on Obamacare. Are you saying your doctor doesn't believe you will pay him? Is that why he dropped you? Just answer the question.

Go do some resaerch then come back. If you didnt know that insurance companies and doctors nation wide want nothing to do with Obumma Care you shouldnt be speaking on the topic. You are taking a pretty firm tone for somebody who has zero clue ! I dont pay the doctor number one. I hope that clears that up for you. The insurance company pays him number two.
 
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Go do some resaerch then come back. If you didnt know that insurance companies and doctors nation wide want nothing to do with Obumma Care you shouldnt be speaking on the topic.
Why won't you answer my question. Obviously nothing is the same for everyone but you won't tell me your reason why you can't keep your doctor. All you are doing is throwing out the same thing everyone says. I just want to hear the specific reason why your doctor will no longer see you. Why won't you give me an answer? Like I said earlier, I know no one that lost their doctor but that doesn't mean people didn't because I know they did. At least I keep hearing they did, but why can't anyone give me a specific reason why? Just saying all insurance companies and doctors want nothing to do with Obamacare is not an answer. I want to know specifically why your doctor won't treat you anymore.
 

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Go do some research then come back. If you didnt know that insurance companies and doctors nation wide want nothing to do with Obumma Care you shouldnt be speaking on the topic. You are taking a pretty firm tone for somebody who has zero clue ! I dont pay the doctor number one. I hope that clears that up for you. The insurance company pays him number two. You are just proving what a clueless person who believes things are "grand" looks like.If Obumma care was working this thread wouldnt exist
 
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Go do some research then come back. If you didnt know that insurance companies and doctors nation wide want nothing to do with Obumma Care you shouldnt be speaking on the topic. You are taking a pretty firm tone for somebody who has zero clue ! I dont pay the doctor number one. I hope that clears that up for you. The insurance company pays him number two. You are just proving what a clueless person who believes things are "grand" looks like.If Obumma care was working this thread wouldnt exist
Doing research is not going to answer my question since my question applies to you and not anyone else. I actually don't believe you lost your doctor which is why you won't give an answer. It's a simple question you refused to answer. I know if I called my doctor for an appointment and he told me he could no longer be my doctor, I'd want a reason So what reason did your doctor give you?
 

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Doing research is not going to answer my question since my question applies to you and not anyone else. I actually don't believe you lost your doctor which is why you won't give an answer. It's a simple question you refused to answer. I know if I called my doctor for an appointment and he told me he could no longer be my doctor, I'd want a reason So what reason did your doctor give you?

You really are hell bent on trolling me huh? Do you want the name of my ex doctor? Do you want the group he works for ? Are you saying I am lying ? I wasnt able to find a single doctor in my area who would take my Blue Cross under covered California that was sold to me as the same plan I had. Do you think I am the only person this has happened too? You are a clueless moron
 

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I'm not in here to engage in a political dick measuring contest. Just sharing my personal experience.

All I know is this year I was basically given one option by my employer, which was a plan that offered far worse coverage for far more money than years previous.

Went to get a script that used to be $9 and it's now $175.

Someone needs to fix this shit.
 

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