GoSooners Big 12 Plays Of The Week For 9-20

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I don't however believe these are 2 evenly matched teams. K-State is a much better team in a much better conference (that's why it matters GoSooners, you get better by playing against better teams).

End of the day I just can't see K-State not winning by 10+. Again, I was wrong once before (back in 1998) so it could happen again! :)
 

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Did my own method of checking into Sooners picks as I did last week and was able to eliminate 2 losing picks.. This one looks like a winner. BoL
 

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No. 2 Oklahoma vs Georgia

No. 5 Missouri vs Florida

No. 7 Texas vs LSU

No. 11 Texas Tech vs Auburn

No. 19 Kansas vs Alabama

Oklahoma State vs Tennessee

Nebraska vs South Carolina

Texas A&M vs Vandy



I love the SEC but are they really that great. I would see either conference going 5-3 at the best. I think with all the talk that the SEC gets the BIG 12 lacks in hype.


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K-State is a much better team in a much better conference (that's why it matters GoSooners, you get better by playing against better teams).

Right, but K-State hasn't played any Big 12 teams yet, so they haven't gotten better this season from playing the "scary" teams

And speaking of K-State and playing tough teams, I read this on another forum:

"K-State first to fatten up on cream puffs

Some people will argue that Southern California has been the most influential college football program over the past two decades. Others will chirp for the Miami Hurricanes, Florida State or the flavor of the moment from the crackling Southeastern Conference.


Pick a patsy. Pick two. Stuff your schedule with as many nobodies as possible. If you're good at it, as Kansas State usually is, you can find four slugs from outside your conference.

Dominate the nobodies and then fool everybody by winning those four games as well as a few more inside your conference. Then you can call yourself a bowl team. A good time will be had by all.

That has been the Kansas State way, a formula that has been embraced by everybody who dreams of playing in December or January. Heck, even Louisiana State, the defending national champion, is playing Appalachian State, Troy, North Texas and Tulane as its nonconference opponents this season.

How good is this 2-0 Kansas State team that coach Ron Prince brings to town tonight?

I was afraid you'd ask. The Wildcats' vital signs look terrific. Prince's team ranks in the top 20 in 11 NCAA statistical categories, including total offense (18th, 476 yards per game) and total defense (sixth, 198 yards). K-State quarterback Josh Freeman has been sack-free.

There is every indication that Kansas State is a more complete and powerful team than Louisville, an opinion reflected in the point spread that has the Wildcats favored by four.

Here is the fine print: Kansas State has played the kind of teams that it usually plays in September. That would be a North Texas program that has been outscored by 107 points in its first three games and mighty Montana State, a .500 team in the Big Sky Conference last season.

Maybe Kansas State will contend with Missouri, Nebraska and Kansas in the Big 12 North. Or maybe it will revert to the team that allowed 198 points its final four games in 2007 against legitimate competition.

I don't know. What I do know is this game, a nonconference game against a team from a Bowl Championship Series conference, is a deviation from the Kansas State blueprint.

Snyder took over at Kansas State before the 1989 season. The Wildcats had won three games in four seasons. Something had to change. And the first thing that changed was the schedule.

Snyder played so many Mid-American Conference teams that he was voted the league's Coach of the Year. He did more to publicize Indiana State than Larry Bird, going 3-0 while outscoring the Sycamores 151-28. He kept the athletic directors from Northern Illinois, New Mexico State and Western Kentucky in the first three slots of his speed dial.

In Snyder's 17 seasons at Kansas State, the Wildcats played 62 regular-season nonconference games. Only 10 were scheduled against opponents currently in BCS conferences.

His record against Top 25 opponents was 16-31-1. But Bill Snyder popularized the Kansas State way of scheduling for success. You see it every September in college football."
 

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Listen fellas...In the case of both of these teams it isn't an exact science. On one hand we have a KSU team with 12 starters returning, who hasn't been tested. And on the other we have a team who had a very bad performance in their first game. My feeling is that Louisville will be the running dogs tonight with possibly the little better defense. But I'm only about 60% sure of this. That's why these early season games can be a bit tricky. Especially when you have a fair amount of turnover of players from both teams. The question to be answered with KSU is will they continue their 4 game slide that they had at the end of last season where their defense averaged giving up 49 points a game during that slide. Yes, the Big 12 is a good conference with good teams. But last season KSU wasn't one of them. We'll see if they've improved enough this season to get the job done. I've been wrong on these things before. It won't be anything new to me. You live and learn through these early games.
 

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No. 2 Oklahoma vs Georgia

No. 5 Missouri vs Florida

No. 7 Texas vs LSU

No. 11 Texas Tech vs Auburn

No. 19 Kansas vs Alabama

Oklahoma State vs Tennessee

Nebraska vs South Carolina

Texas A&M vs Vandy



I love the SEC but are they really that great. I would see either conference going 5-3 at the best. I think with all the talk that the SEC gets the BIG 12 lacks in hype.


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I still think the SEC is the best conference in football because they have the best defenses. But if given a choice of watching a football game between the two conferences, I would pick the Big 12 hands down. I can take only so many 3-2 snooze fests to sit through.
 

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Interesting article on the Big 12 weaknesses. I'd like to weigh in with one consideration. All of these high powered offenses create a problem. Mizzou for example scored at will last week. I'm talking less than a minute of possession to score. Therefore, their defense was on the field the entire first half. In the second half, when they tried to slow it down and not run up the score, they shut Nevada out. These guys are gassed and therefore giving up some gaudy numbers. I'm sure this applies to most of the Big 12's spread offense teams. OU may be an exception but they are probably deeper and can rotate players more frequently.
When we get into the Big 12 season I believe the defensive numbers will improve across the board.
 

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I'm going to throw in this game right now because I'm not real sure what the line is going to do. And I wanted to get it at 4.

Wake Forest at Florida State...I gotta say, with the adversity that Wake faced in their last game with Ole Miss, this team continues to impress me. They never have the best athletes, but in the last few years have continuesly been the most well coached team in a weak league. Florida State on the other hand, has been the most inconsistent team in the ACC over the last 10 years. It looks like their playing musical chairs once again with their QB's. Bowden is now starting Ponder in place of Weatherford. He's looked good so far. But who wouldn't against West Carolina and Chattanooga. I don't believe I've EVER heard of a team opening the season against not one but two divsion 2 teams. I don't know if it was a blurb or a replacement game in their scheduling, but that's absolutely awful! And it's no way to prepare for BCS conference teams. It's probably a good thing for FSU this season because they've been dealing with suspensions. And will be for this game too. Wake on the other hand has already played two BCS teams. And were in a dogfight in their last one. And despite what you may think of Wake after their last game, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. And I think Wake is a better team for it. And they've had a nice little two week vacation since. And should be well prepared and rested for this game. And despite what may be the better athletes with FSU, i think Wake faced a better offense two weeks ago against Ole Miss. And were still able to overcome it. And despite their fairly low rushing numbers (119 ypg) I think Wake has a chance to be the running dogs here. They have a stout veteran defense that allows just barely over 100 ypg, going up against a young FSU offensive line. I think Wake has a very good chance at winning that battle. Any points i get in this early season ACC contest I'll take. I keep hearing about the FSU revenge factor. Revenge Smevenge. Shouldn't they have gotten revenge last year after getting blown out 30-0 the year before? C'mon...FSU has the better athletes...Wake once again has the better team...Taking Wake Forest (+4) over Florida State **
 

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Interesting article on the Big 12 weaknesses. I'd like to weigh in with one consideration. All of these high powered offenses create a problem. Mizzou for example scored at will last week. I'm talking less than a minute of possession to score. Therefore, their defense was on the field the entire first half. In the second half, when they tried to slow it down and not run up the score, they shut Nevada out. These guys are gassed and therefore giving up some gaudy numbers. I'm sure this applies to most of the Big 12's spread offense teams. OU may be an exception but they are probably deeper and can rotate players more frequently.
When we get into the Big 12 season I believe the defensive numbers will improve across the board.
I agree...Mizzou's defensive numbers are a bit tainted because of the huge leads they get on teams. The big question for Mizzou will be how well their defense holds up when they go up against some of the better offensive lines in the Big 12 like Texas and Oklahoma State. Possibly OU if they meet in the Big 12 Championship.
 

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GS> I don't doubt your BIG XII skills but I am here as well. I'm sitting on KST for small tonight. The only churning info I can provide is:

Kansas State is 29-11 SU as a road favorite since 1992

Could you tell me how many returning starters are here? I can't seem to find that info anywhere. I did a comparison between KY and each faced KY. I had KST in a semi-closer position. Not 27-2 like 'Ville did.
 

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GS> I don't doubt your BIG XII skills but I am here as well. I'm sitting on KST for small tonight. The only churning info I can provide is:

Kansas State is 29-11 SU as a road favorite since 1992

Could you tell me how many returning starters are here? I can't seem to find that info anywhere. I did a comparison between KY and each faced KY. I had KST in a semi-closer position. Not 27-2 like 'Ville did.

kst is returning 7 on offense & 5 on defense....lou is returning 4 on offense & 5 on defense....
 

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I'm going to throw in this game right now because I'm not real sure what the line is going to do. And I wanted to get it at 4.

Wake Forest at Florida State...I gotta say, with the adversity that Wake faced in their last game with Ole Miss, this team continues to impress me. They never have the best athletes, but in the last few years have continuesly been the most well coached team in a weak league. Florida State on the other hand, has been the most inconsistent team in the ACC over the last 10 years. It looks like their playing musical chairs once again with their QB's. Bowden is now starting Ponder in place of Weatherford. He's looked good so far. But who wouldn't against West Carolina and Chattanooga. I don't believe I've EVER heard of a team opening the season against not one but two divsion 2 teams. I don't know if it was a blurb or a replacement game in their scheduling, but that's absolutely awful! And it's no way to prepare for BCS conference teams. It's probably a good thing for FSU this season because they've been dealing with suspensions. And will be for this game too. Wake on the other hand has already played two BCS teams. And were in a dogfight in their last one. And despite what you may think of Wake after their last game, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. And I think Wake is a better team for it. And they've had a nice little two week vacation since. And should be well prepared and rested for this game. And despite what may be the better athletes with FSU, i think Wake faced a better offense two weeks ago against Ole Miss. And were still able to overcome it. And despite their fairly low rushing numbers (119 ypg) I think Wake has a chance to be the running dogs here. They have a stout veteran defense that allows just barely over 100 ypg, going up against a young FSU offensive line. I think Wake has a very good chance at winning that battle. Any points i get in this early season ACC contest I'll take. I keep hearing about the FSU revenge factor. Revenge Smevenge. Shouldn't they have gotten revenge last year after getting blown out 30-0 the year before? C'mon...FSU has the better athletes...Wake once again has the better team...Taking Wake Forest (+4) over Florida State **


This play also has a slight edge against the spread.. On it with you. BoL
 

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Baylor at UCONN...Baylor comes to UCONN off of the biggest win they've had in years over a hapless WSU team. UCONN keeps plugging along at 3-0 after a 45-10 win over Virginia last week. I'm still dumbfounded on why this UCONN team doesn't get more respect either by the preseason prognosticators or the public. This is a very good team. Both on offense and defense. Especially defense. I think outside of maybe USF, this could possibly be the best team in the Big East this year, because of their stout defense. And they have the easiest schedule to get there playing Cincy, WV and Pitt all at home this year. UCONN in my opinion is a legit top 20 team..Baylor is NOT. This team has alot of kinks to work out. Sure they have a new talented freshman QB. But Baylor's defense is still something that has been thrown together by spare parts. Especially in their back 7 where Art Briles has had to move players from different positions to fill the holes. And Baylor's special teams weren't good at all at the beginning of the season. And will probably be exposed along with their defense when they hit the road. I actually think we're getting a little bit of value here with the line. I think people are looking at UCONN's close game with Temple, and thinking this team isn't for real. Especially since we already knew Virginia was already a bad team coming off the USC game. But I watched the UCONN-Temple game. And UCONN ran over this team all day, but just didn't score. Missed FG's and slick ball fumbles into the endzone made the game much closer than it should have been. Plus it was a driving rainstorm at times in the game being played on a grass field that was a big equalizer. I think what is going to happen here is Baylor is going to revert back to it's first game against Wake Forest. Wake completely stuffed this team on defense. And UCONN is just as good on that side of the ball as Wake..Maybe better. Baylor is going to have some problems here. And though they've probably got a few kinks ironed out on offense, they still aren't a very balanced team. And it would surprise me if Baylor doesn't make a few mistakes that sets up UCONN for some easy scores. Baylor relies heavily on the running of their freshman QB. But their going up against a defense that allows only 80 ypg rushing, and is going to key on his running and make him put it in the air. And so far this hasn't been his strong suit. On the other side QB Lorenzen woke up last week going 13-15 passing and adding another 52 yards rushing. So UCONN has a double threat of their own at QB. And much more experience. I've looked at this game up and down and see no reason why UCONN can't continue their winning ways and dispatch of Baylor with relative ease. I think we're getting good value here with the game getting bet down from 14 to 12. I'm not sure exactly what the public is thinking here other than the results of Baylor's last game. But in my opinion Baylor is barely a cut above the Virginia team that UCONN took care of by 35 points last week. And I can easily see about a 17 to 21 point win here despite UCONN having Louisville on board next week....Taking UCONN (-12) over Baylor ***
 

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GS> I don't doubt your BIG XII skills but I am here as well. I'm sitting on KST for small tonight. The only churning info I can provide is:

Kansas State is 29-11 SU as a road favorite since 1992

Could you tell me how many returning starters are here? I can't seem to find that info anywhere. I did a comparison between KY and each faced KY. I had KST in a semi-closer position. Not 27-2 like 'Ville did.
JP...KSU has a total of 4 starters from last year that have been subplanted by JC players. One on offense and three on defense. They also have 3 JC's as their top backup receivers, and three more backing up the OL. Although two of these receivers were JC's from last year, and don't have much in the way of playing or starting experience. Whether these defensive starters are better or worse I don't know. If it's any consolation to you KSU backers, most all of my friends who are pretty darned good cappers, either diagree with me about this game or are laying off of it..So it doesn't bother me that some or most of you disagree, because I can see an argument for both sides here...Good luck
 

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I bet if you look hard enough you can find some 5's with this game by kickoff. It seems these wedneday/thursday games are flooded with public money which pushes the favorite way up on gameday.

I have some KSU -3.5 -108 but I think I will double on the other side with Louisville right before kickoff:toast:. Good luck!!
 

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According To College Injury Report.com Ol Wood Is Probable

(knee).....
 

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When I originally looked at this KSU-Louisville game I was thinking we could see some scoring here...But a friend of mine made some very good points why he thinks this game will go under. And now that I've looked at them I tend to agree with him.

1.Louisville's defense is improved. Ron English is a solid defensive coordinator, and he's had two weeks to prepare for the KSU offense.

2.K-State's offense lost their leading rusher and receiver from last season. In addition, although Freeman is a good QB. He's not so much when he goes out of Manhattan.

3.And although they haven't played anyone, let's assume the KSU defense has improved. We know they couldn't be any worse than they were in the second half of last season. So any improvement helps us here. The reason I think they could be better is because last season they had a smallish defense that really got beat up by the physical offenses in the Big 12. By the end of the season they were pretty much limping home. But if you look at K-State's games in the first half of last season, they played pretty good defense. So we could see that same pattern here.

4.If Louisville does in fact end up being the running dog in this spot, there is no way this game hits 56. And being able to run the ball is Lousivlle's best shot and probably only chance to win this game outright.

5.I think we can all agree that this isn't near the same Louisville offense as Petrino had. They don't really have the playmakers on the outside. And their RB's are basically power runners. Not really the breakaway threats. This leaves Cantwell. Although I think he's better than he's given credit for, he probably isn't as good as Brohm, or else he wouldn't have played behind him for the last two years. The O-Line is still a little bit of a question mark because of the experience factor at a couple of positions. But they still have two starters on the line that were either first or second team all Big East the last couple of years. And I'm betting they perform better in this third outing together. It looks like Wood will play tonight since he has been upgraded to probable. The better the Louisville run game, the better our chances are at an under.

Taking the Kansas St-Louisville (UNDER 56) **
 

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I like the Baylor pick a lot GoSooners. (actually I like the fade)
I think they played the game of their lives last week.
 

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