Gentlemen, some state politicians are lying about COVID 19 deaths

[PatsFan1283]

Well, the next question is pretty clear here if anyone wants to ask EnignoreO

Why did you think the NBA was overreacting initially and that you thought putting 20-40k people in stadiums as well as having the rest of the economy just humming along?

Gee, probably because you downplayed the concerns of the virus (or atleast the carnival barkers that you listened to on twitter did, and you swallowed that hook, line and sinker)

 

[slapshot]

Pats, I don't even really know how to answer your question and I don't even care if I'm right or wrong about anything to be honest with you.

How can we logically define an answer?

1) Do I believe the media overhyped this situation? Personal opinion.

2) Did Trump's closure of flights from China help slow this thing down? I assume so but I'd have to look at the data. Don't know.

3) Is every person dying in American dying as a direct result of COVID-19? Don't know.

4) What would've happened had we done nothing? Would've been way worse.

5) What would've happened had we quarantined the elderly and people with pre-existing conditions while the rest of us worked? Don't know.

6) Will the outcome of a temporary crash in the marked and subsequent downturn on our world economy have a lasting impact? I assume so but don't know.

7) Would it have been better to keep the economy humming while quarantining the elderly and people with pre-existing conditions? I don't know.

I don't know PatsFan1283.

C'Mon

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[REDEYE]

Chop, in my mind, we had three viable options in responding to this situation so I'll go slow since I sound dumb.

1) Do nothing. Looking at the totality of the situation, that wouldn't not have been the right thing to do.

2) Full quarantine. I don't think this is the right move either. It's unnecessary and it's crashing our economy.

3) Aggressively quarantine everyone over 65 and quarantine everyone with pre-existing conditions. In my mind, this was the right move.

Did I originally think the NBA was overreacting? Yes. Looking back, do I think they overreacted? No. Do I think we should be back now with an aggressive quarantine for the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions? Yes.

What is wrong with what I've just said? I believe right now, we are blowing this situation out of proportion and we need to return to work. I'm not the only one with this crazy opinion.

Ok, call me dumb. No problem.

NBA could have continued to play and so could participation with every other large gathering …. stadiums and arenas would just have been half full or even less . The elderly and the unhealthy are still quarantined , so you continue on with life like you normally would.. just with less people participating . common sense folks..

This isn't any different than the flu season.. You go on with life until you get sick.. Isn't that the way we've always approached it...

 

[Enfuego]

NBA could have continued to play and so could participation with every other large gathering …. stadiums and arenas would just have been half full or even less . The elderly and the unhealthy are still quarantined , so you continue on with life like you normally would.. just with less people participating . common sense folks..

This isn't any different than the flu season.. You go on with life until you get sick.. Isn't that the way we have always approached it...

But you can't offer that opinion here and if you do, you're dumb. That's the lesson here.

 

[PatsFan1283]

NBA could have continued to play and so could participation with every other large gathering …. stadiums and arenas would just have been half full or even less . The elderly and the unhealthy are still quarantined , so you continue on with life like you normally would.. just with less people participating . common sense folks..

This isn't any different than the flu season.. You go on with life until you get sick.. Isn't that the way we've always approached it...

The fact not one country in the world that has the virus is taking this approach doesn't dissuade you from thinking it is the optimal course of action?

Anyway, the herd immunity strategy vs full lockdown is likely going to rage on for awhile (not because it is a very good debate, but just because people obviously wanna know why we're torching a trillion a week on fire) and I'm kinda bored with it (especially since none of us can really do anything about it at this point)...Wasn't really the source of my derision for the thread.

 

[SmallDaddy]

Why do people keep saying its like the flu?

Its nothing like the flu season. It is most likely 20X deadlier

And the biggest problem will be the overflowing of hospitals

 

[PatsFan1283]

But you can't offer that opinion here and if you do, you're dumb. That's the lesson here.

Dude, you JUST TOLD Chop NBA was right to stop playing. Now you agree with RE they should've kept playing?

RE has his opinions and they're the same for better or worse. You're all over the place because you don't want to be pinned down (probably not the worst decision TBH given how some of these opinions have aged for you) That is the disingenuous nature I speak of.

It is on full display in this post.

 

[REDEYE]

Common sense has never betrayed me

 

[REDEYE]

The fact not one country in the world that has the virus is taking this approach doesn't dissuade you from thinking it is the optimal course of action?

Anyway, the herd immunity strategy vs full lockdown is likely going to rage on for awhile (not because it is a very good debate, but just because people obviously wanna know why we're torching a trillion a week on fire) and I'm kinda bored with it (especially since none of us can really do anything about it at this point)...Wasn't really the source of my derision for the thread.

no it hasn't.. Liberal hysteria is a world wide epidemic in itself

 

[Willie99]

A lying POS politician from Connecticut

Shocking

 

[PatsFan1283]

no it hasn't.. Liberal hysteria is a world wide epidemic in itself

Lemme phrase it a different way....Do you question it at all when the solution that you think would cause the least amount of economic damage and deaths is not being tried by anyone? You think all these world leaders (most of whom aren't remotely liberal) want to risk civil unrest over this? Light trillions on fire? Put their countries in economic holes that could jeopardize their power in the future?

If they could just flip a switch and turn the economy on, isolate the sick/old and keep business as usual, don't you think they would attempt this?

You don't think someone like Jinping, Modi, Putin would try this? These guys don't give a shit about human life nearly as much as Western societies do and they're still taking it extremely serious with lockdowns and travel restrictions.

That doesn't give you any pause?

Sometimes Occam's Razor does work man. Just something to think about.

 

[REDEYE]

Lemme phrase it a different way....Do you question it at all when the solution that you think would cause the least amount of economic damage and deaths is not being tried by anyone? You think all these world leaders (most of whom aren't remotely liberal) want to risk civil unrest over this? Light trillions on fire? Put their countries in economic holes that could jeopardize their power in the future?

If they could just flip a switch and turn the economy on, isolate the sick/old and keep business as usual, don't you think they would attempt this?

You don't think someone like Jinping, Modi, Putin would try this? These guys don't give a shit about human life nearly as much as Western societies do and they're still taking it extremely serious with lockdowns and travel restrictions.

That doesn't give you any pause?

Sometimes Occam's Razor does work man. Just something to think about.

I do question it.. Maybe even one of them could give us an answer.. once the snowball started rolling downhill , it pretty much transformed into a narrow minded avalanche of liberal media hysteria.

 

[Enfuego]

A lying POS politician from Connecticut

Shocking

Willie - I believe in the future, you're going to find out hundreds of COVID related deaths were classified as COVID related but the death had nothing to do with COVID.

Guy dies by suicide but he was asymptomatic for COVID so it was classified as COVID related. We're going to see this.

 

[Enfuego]

Why do people keep saying its like the flu?

Its nothing like the flu season. It is most likely 20X deadlier

And the biggest problem will be the overflowing of hospitals

It certainly spreads faster.

 

[exploited17]

Lemme phrase it a different way....Do you question it at all when the solution that you think would cause the least amount of economic damage and deaths is not being tried by anyone? You think all these world leaders (most of whom aren't remotely liberal) want to risk civil unrest over this? Light trillions on fire? Put their countries in economic holes that could jeopardize their power in the future?

If they could just flip a switch and turn the economy on, isolate the sick/old and keep business as usual, don't you think they would attempt this?

You don't think someone like Jinping, Modi, Putin would try this? These guys don't give a shit about human life nearly as much as Western societies do and they're still taking it extremely serious with lockdowns and travel restrictions.

That doesn't give you any pause?

Sometimes Occam's Razor does work man. Just something to think about.

They don't know what the fuck they are doing. Just taking the safest route. The one that will get criticized the least should things get worse. Don't think this will end in April. They will push this for months and months. Once the weather turns in June I do what the fuck I want. Get busy living or get busy dying. You can't hide from reality. You can be reasonably safe but you gotta live. Guess it won't matter if everything is close though But I will still do as I please

 

[PatsFan1283]

I do question it.. Maybe even one of them could give us an answer.. once the snowball started rolling downhill , it pretty much transformed into a narrow minded avalanche of liberal media hysteria.

Fair enough, just some food for thought. Once you take those variables into account, I'd think anyone would find the herd immunity strategy to atleast be skeptical of. Maybe in 4-6 weeks when we've better prepped for something like that we can begin to turn the economy back on. But obviously it will be gradual with contagion and contraction all over the place. Some stuff is just never coming back or doing so in a greatly reduced manner w/o a vaccine.

 

[Enfuego]

Here's the million dollar question:

How many deaths so far are from people that died directly of COVID and how many people have died and were asymptomatic with COVID symptoms?

This makes a big difference. What if we're talking in the thousands? Then the hysteria is really ridiculous.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Oh look, Enfuego found a new angle to downplay the severity of the issue.

Hopefully this one works better than his homerun analogy. Or telling X-Files American life won't change at all or ....Well, you get the idea.

 

[Enfuego]

Guess what? Here's another case of state officials walking back a death they originally classified as linked to COVID.

The Georgia Department of Public Health walked it back today. Interesting.

I'm telling you guys, not all of these deaths people are claiming are COVID deaths are in fact, COVID deaths. They are lying to you.

But I'm in the idiot, I'm a liar and I'm dumb. I get it.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article241740281.html

 

[Willie99]

Willie - I believe in the future, you're going to find out hundreds of COVID related deaths were classified as COVID related but the death had nothing to do with COVID.

Guy dies by suicide but he was asymptomatic for COVID so it was classified as COVID related. We're going to see this.

with our political climate and our media, there's zero chance they don't lie about the cause of deaths

I believe collectively our media is the scum of this earth. They did this to themselves, there's not a shred of integrity or objectivity to be found, they destroyed their own reputations and our trust

I simply don't believe what they say, my first assumption is they're distorting something and I always right