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The Washington Institute for Near East Policy


Democracy in Arab Countries: Problems and Prospects


By Robert Satloff, director of policy and strategic planning

The Washington Institute for Near East Policy


Bitterlemons-international.org, January 15, 2004

After pan-Arabism and Islamism, it is heartening to consider the prospect that democracy may be the next great wave to wash over Arab countries. Whether it actually takes root or is merely a passing fancy depends on three sets of actors: local leaders, local populations, and what is euphemistically referred to as "the international community."

The most difficult hurdle is that democracy needs democrats, as United States President George Bush noted recently in London, and Arab democrats are weak and fragmented. Though they can agree on what they are against--e.g., their opposition to radical Islamism--they are divided on what they are for. That does not even address the complicating factor of Islamists who mouth the democratic line and want entry into the big democratic tent but who are the most fundamentally anti-democratic element in the region.

This problem is exacerbated by the harsh political realities facing many Arab democrats. In many countries, those who have openly opposed the regime have earned the wrath of the state and have suffered accordingly. At the same time there are many who, for nationalistic or ideological reasons, refuse to truck with the United States, the leading outside power advocating democracy in the Middle East today, thereby depriving themselves of a major source of support. The number of democrats who have found a way to be effective locally while taking advantage of the benefits that association with Washington has to offer is exceedingly small.

A second major problem is that even the most forward-looking leaders in the Middle East are, at best, liberals, not democrats. (Ironically, these are virtually all monarchs--such as the kings of Morocco, Jordan and Bahrain--who have generally shown fewer monarchical pretensions than leaders of the region's republics.) The reforms enacted by these innovative kings, substantive and revolutionary as they have been, have largely been liberal reforms (such as expanding women's rights and enhancing press freedom), implemented through top-down, authoritarian means (e.g., royal decrees, appointments of palace favorites as prime ministers). None has shown any real taste for the diffusion of power that is a key element of democracy. Perhaps this is necessary; liberalism, after all, is usually a way-station on the road to democracy. But, one should note, passing through a liberal stage does not necessarily mean that democracy is the next stop.

A third major problem is that the "international community" is deeply divided both on the merits of Arab democracy and how to achieve it. The United States, which once championed stability as the cornerstone of its Middle East policy, has now, at least in principle, discarded that policy in favor of radical, though evolutionary, change. For its part Europe, which used to enjoy castigating Washington for its insouciant approach to human rights, now finds itself the purveyor of stability as the governing principle of relations with Arabs, largely because strong governments on the southern Mediterranean, regardless of their domestic political orientation, will (it is assumed) stem the influx of illegal refugees--Europe's foremost concern--more effectively than fractious democracies.

International actors differ on the means of promoting democracy, too. The United States has shown itself able to overthrow one major Arab dictator (in Baghdad) and has pressed for the isolation of a minor one, a recidivist obstacle to peace (in Ramallah); however, Washington has been less sure-footed in helping empower locals--Iraqis and Palestinians--to replace those tyrannies with representative government. At the same time, there is even less likelihood that the paths ostensibly preferred by leading members of the "international community"--enhancing the United Nations' role, in the case of Iraq; imposing peace in the Israeli-Palestinian context--would improve the chances of democracy in either case.

Despite these obstacles, optimism is warranted. The silver lining in Bin Ladinism is that it has concentrated the attention of disparate elements of society on the need for political change. Not all of this will be democratic change, but much of it is moving in that direction. While the region's powerhouses--like Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Algeria--are either too fearful or too preoccupied to act, change is coming in smaller countries, rarely before viewed as regional trendsetters. That is good news, both for the changes underway and for the fact that it suggests the decline of the monolithic grip large states have on the region's political culture.

A second positive trend is how various countries are beginning to grapple with issues of pluralism and religious-ethnic diversity. For example, in the west, Morocco is addressing demands for Berber cultural rights in new and mature ways; in the east, Iraq is only one of a number of Gulf countries responding to the demands of indigenous Shiites for more representation and a greater say in political affairs.

The bellwether of democratic change is, undoubtedly, Iraq; it is also where the United States will focus its effort and resources for the foreseeable future. Media-reportage notwithstanding, Iraq is largely a glass-half-full story; the main problem has been security--i.e., the insurgency--not the pace at which local Iraqis have begun to reassert themselves politically after a generation of cruelly enforced silence. In the other venue where the US has invested its prestige on the side of change, the Palestinian territories, the situation is more disappointing. But even there, the good news is that Arabs throughout the region seem much less willing to let themselves be led, ideologically speaking, by a Palestinian pied piper, as was the case in years past.

Among the many wild cards is whether the United States, having chucked the rhetoric of "stability," will change its de facto policy toward the region's "friendly authoritarians." Given the stakes in Egypt and Saudi Arabia, Washington is unlikely to risk getting too far ahead of local leaders. But there are other countries, like Tunisia, where the United States could be more bullish without substantial risk to US interests. And toward the Palestinians, one could argue that it was, in part, Washington's hesitancy to follow through on demands for change, after having the constructive audacity to make such demands in the first place, that gave birth to the current unhappy situation.

Robert Satloff is director of policy and strategic planning at The Washington Institute for Near East Policy.
 

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No, JP, I have not heard that version. Enlighten me.

Floyd: Perhaps a case could be made that Russian imperialism would eventually have led to a Soviet invasion of Canada, and that, by the grace of god, the Americans were there with their nukes to scare them off and preserve democracy for all. Perhaps had Germany not invaded the USSR in WWII, the Soviets would have come after the US. (Are you being asked to thank Hitler for your freedom?) What I do know for sure is that Russia became an obvious enemy of ours during a cold war that we were never more than symbolically involved in; our alliance with the US caused us to become a defacto "enemy" of Russian leaders (the truth is that they thought we were pathetic, subjects of American-led capitalism) and we bought into much of the anti-communist paranoia. If there was ever a real and grave and imminent threat posed by the USSR to Canada, it was because of, not quashed by, the US and our alliance with them.

Your assertion that we should somehow be grateful to you for our freedom is a g**** manipulation of the facts. (I will ignore the irony of your disdain for countries who unilaterally spread their political ideologies around, welcomed or not.)

As usual, you fail to see how your own government and its blatant hegemonic mandate has played a more than significant role in the conflicts which befall it. Do you think that Stalin would have been so eager to build an H-bomb had Hiroshima not been blown off the map to demonstrate how big Americas muscles had become? In fact, did you know that Russia is re-loading its nuclear arsenal now? That wouldn't have anything to do with the latest version of US foreign policy, would it?

I suppose that if, in ten years' time, no MidEastern country has taken us over, I'll have to concede my ill thoughts of Bush and get busy on those thank-you notes.

[This message was edited by xpanda on February 09, 2004 at 07:23 PM.]
 

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Posted on Tue, Feb. 10, 2004

White House Releases Bush Military Record
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WASHINGTON - The White House, facing election-year questions about President Bush's military service, released pay records and other information Tuesday that it said supports Bush's assertion that he fulfilled his duty as a member of the Air National Guard during the Vietnam war.

The material included annual retirement point summaries and pay records that the White House said show that Bush served.

"When you serve, you are paid for that service. These documents outline the days on which he was paid. That means he served. And these documents also show he met his requirements," press secretary Scott McClellan told reporters. "And it's just really a shame that people are continuing to bring this up."

"These documents clearly show that the president fulfilled his duties," McClellan said.

Photocopied payroll records distributed by the White House were not all legible. The White House promised clearer copies later Tuesday afternoon.

The documents indicate that Bush received credit for nine days of active duty between May 1972 and May 1973, the period that has been cited by Democrats as evidence that Bush shirked his military responsibilities.

A memo written by retired Lt. Col. Albert Lloyd Jr, at the request of the White House, said a review of Bush's records showed that he had "satisfactory years" for the period of 1972-73 and 1973-74 "which proves that he completed his military obligation in a satisfactory manner."

Lloyd was personnel director for the Texas Air National Guard from 1969 to 1995 and also had reviewed Bush's military records at the request of his campaign four years ago.

Asked why the White House had not publicly brought forward any comrades who had served during the period with Bush, McClellan said, "Obviously we would have made people available," then pointed to Lloyd's statement.

The point summaries were released during the 2000 presidential campaign but the pay records were not obtained by the White House until late Monday from the Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver, Colo., McClellan said. He said the center, apparently acting on its own, reviewed Bush's records and came up with the pay information.

"It was our impression from the Texas Air National Guard - they stated they didn't have them," he said. "It was also our impression those records didn't exist." Bush on Sunday authorized the release of his Guard records. McClellan said the latest material apparently is all of Bush's records.

The pay information documented the dates when Bush showed up for Guard duty, the spokesman said. "You are paid for the dates you served," McClellan added.

Bush's military record was raised as an issue in the 2000 campaign and was revived this year by Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe, who called Bush "AWOL" - absent without leave - during a period of his service when he was in Alabama.

Asked if the records should end the controversy about Bush's service, McClellan said, "You have to ask those who made these outrageous accusations if they stand by them in the face of this documentation that demonstrates he served and fulfilled his duties."

Bush enlisted in the Texas Air National Guard in 1968 shortly before graduating from Yale University.

Questions have been raised about whether family connections helped him get into the Guard when there were waiting lists for what was seen as an easy billet. Bush says no one in his family pulled strings and that he got in because others didn't want to commit to the almost two years of active duty required for fighter pilot training.

A central issue is whether he showed up for duty while assigned to Guard units in Alabama, where he worked on a political campaign in 1972. "There may be no evidence, but I did report," Bush told NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday. "Otherwise, I wouldn't have been honorably discharged."

Another question is why he was allowed to end Guard duty about six months early to attend Harvard Business School. Bush said on NBC that he had "worked it out with the military. And I'm just telling you, I did my duty."

Lloyd has said that Bush's early discharge was not uncommon for pilots or other crewmen who were to leave soon and had been trained on now-obsolete jets, as was Bush's case.
 

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Bush releases Vietnam-era Guard records
White House calls revival of questions about duty ‘a shame’

George Bush Presidential Library via AP file
George W. Bush in the cockpit of an F-102 while in the Texas Air National Guard.
MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 1:17 p.m. ET Feb. 10, 2004The White House released President Bush’s National Guard pay and retirement records Tuesday and denounced allegations that he shirked his Vietnam War-era military duties as political posturing.

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“These records I’m holding here clearly document the president fulfilling his duties,” White House press secretary Scott McClellan said at a briefing for reporters Tuesday afternoon, seeking to put an end to a controversy that has sidetracked the Bush team as his re-election effort gathers steam.

The documents, in the form of annual retirement ”point summaries” and payroll records, indicate that Bush received credit for nine days of active duty between May 1972 and May 1973, the period that Democrats have cited as evidence that Bush shirked his military responsibilities.

The release of the documents comes a day after the White House indicated that it knew of no additional records to document Bush’s service in the Texas Air National Guard. McClellan said the White House learned of the new records Monday night.

Bush left the National Guard with an honorable discharge eight months shy of the obligatory six years in 1973, to attend Harvard Business School.

Asked earlier in the day whether the records should end the controversy about Bush’s service, McClellan told reporters, “You have to ask those who made these outrageous accusations if they stand by them in the face of this documentation that demonstrates he served and fulfilled his duties.”

McClellan said he did not know whether tax returns for 1972 and 1973 still existed to substantiate that Bush actually was paid, as the payroll records indicated. But he said additional information would be disclosed if it came to light.

However, McClellan sidestepped questions about why medical records that Bush would have had to have maintained during his service could not be produced, repeating that the pay documents established Bush’s fulfillment of his commitment.

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So we've established that he was paid, but that there are no medical records to be found (which would have surely existed if he wasn't AWOL).
 

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Questions have been raised about whether family connections helped him get into the Guard when there were waiting lists for what was seen as an easy billet. Bush says no one in his family pulled strings and that he got in because others didn't want to commit to the almost two years of active duty required for fighter pilot training ... The documents indicate that Bush received credit for nine days of active duty between May 1972 and May 1973, the period that has been cited by Democrats as evidence that Bush shirked his military responsibilities.

Not that it matters to me any, but I just wanted to make sure you didn't miss that part.
 

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I don't give a rats ass how many days he served. He clearly completed his military obligation in a satisfactory manner as Lt. Col. Albert Lloyd Jr. states.


Its out and its over except for you libs who think you can gain points by slandering folks and trying to keep them on the defensive. Intelligent discussion based on facts is always a good thing. What says you?
 

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Hey, I could give a rat's ass, either -- you couldn't pay me enough money to serve even one day in a military -- but don't you find it odd that he says the reason he got in is that the big waiting list of people weren't willing to commit two years and yet in a one year period he only had nine active days? I mean, if strings were pulled to get him into the Guard, why not just say so? It wouldn't exactly be the first time a big exec's kid got preferential treatment. He acts like we'd all be so shocked or something.

(Speaking of facts, I still haven't heard the Soviet version of O Canada from you yet. I was so looking forward to that.)
 

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I remember a little of it, but you wouldn't want me spending an hour or two working on a little song from me to you - would you?
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Hansen, I am a real Viet Nam Vet <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

will even though I am a Canadian I can say with gratitude "thank you for serving..."
 

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Why is Bush's participation in the Texas National Guard during the Viet Nam War an issue in 2004?

John Kerry supported Clinton's evasion and protest of this War during the 1992 and 1996 Campaigns. He even said that he wants to emulate Clinton's Foreign Policy if he were elected. Therefore, Kerry acknowledges that what a person did during this time period about the War is not relevant to his qualifications to be President.

Are the same people who are concerned with Bush's Texas National Guard duty prepared to admit that Clinton was unqualified to be President?
 

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Wilheim - I get that you just want to tout your anti-Bush agenda.
 

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also add that kerry talks out of both sides of his mouth -- changing his opinions with the wind! a lying two-face that would not serve our country well as president.

1st w/ clinton it's "this contry DOES NOT need divisiveness about him dodging nam..."

now w/ bush it's "he was given preferential treatment in the guard..."

1st w/the war it's "i support our president and the fight against terrorism by invading iraq, and hussein..."

now w/the war it's "i can't in good conscience vote for the 78 billion two pay for the war..."

now there's a leader
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what a SAD state of affairs for the democrats -- this is the best they can come up with
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first Iraq, then France
 

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Honestly Hansen,

Feel the same way about Republicans. what a sad state of affairs that the best they can come up with is Bush (won't even get into talking about Cheney). Especially when you gotta a class guy like John McCain out there.

But somehow your party got hijacked by special interests and chicken hawk neocons and now even your own stalwarts like Limbaugh, O'Reilly and the Heritage foundation are criticizing the current administration for mismanaging the war on terror and the economy.

Oh well...
 

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funny you should mention special interests
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kerry received more $$$$ than any senator in the country from special interests
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first Iraq, then France
 

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Kerry king of special interest money - well lets take alook at the facts.


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This election cycle, Kerry took $531,251 from the health care industry, putting him among the top four recipients of such money – just behind President Bush and Democratic presidential contenders Howard Dean of Vermont and Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecti
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Behind Bush.


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Kerry also accepted $26,700 this election cycle from the oil and gas industry, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonpartisan group that tracks how campaign money affects elections and public policy. That makes him one of the Senate's top 20 recipients of such money
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Top 20 not exactly king like stat.


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Kerry is among Congress' top three recipients of campaign donations from lawyers and lobbyists – having taken $3.3 million this election cycle. The only two people taking more money from this group were Bush and Democratic presidential contender John Edwards, the North Carolina senator and former trial lawyer
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Again behind Bush.


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The construction industry, whose contractors and engineers make billions of dollars from federally funded transportation projects, gave the senator more than $306,000 this cycle, putting Kerry among the top three recipients of this sort of money.

He took $160,220 from general contractors, the companies that typically work in public transportation projects. Only Bush took more – $1.4 million.

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Bush takes over 1 million more than Kerry.


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Kerry was second to the president in the amount – $2.6 million – he took from the finance, insurance and real estate industries.


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again behind Bush.


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He was among the top three recipients – behind Bush and Dean – in the $883,950 he took from the communications and electronics industry
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Same story.

You tell me who is king of special interest money
 

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typical lib -- comparing apples and oranges -- comparing a united states senator to the president of the united states??????

wil, i know you are smarter than that; i know you know that NO president would be any where compairable to any senator in a typical senario.

first Iraq, then France
 

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