Gators will win 2009-2010 CFB National Championship

[guitarjosh]

7-11? which timeframe did you manipulate to come up with that?

hell, i know UT alone has more than 7 wins vs pac-10 teams

dont get mad, im just saying - assuming Florida goes to the SECCG game they will play 8 teams next year that went to a bowl this year compared to 6 for USC - yet you view USC's schedule as "brutal" and Florida's as "easy"

i hate florida man than you can ever imagine and would have love to see them go 0-12 next year.

its hilarious how when USC was going to the BCSCG you guys were saying how great it was for college football and now suddenly it sucks? id like a playoff too and id have took USC even money vs Florida if they had played in a bowl, but they didnt.

crying does no good. run the table, play a conference championship game, or give it up

Florida plays 8 bowl teams now? a couple posts ago it was 7...

It doesn't take much to get a bowl game, just win 6 games. ASU and Stanford both went 5-7. If ASU didn't play top 10 Georgia but a home game vs Georgia State, they're 6-6. If Stanford didn't go to top 10 TCU but stayed home vs Texas State, they're 6-6 and USC played 8 bowl teams.

 

[ChrisParadise]

Florida plays 8 bowl teams now? a couple posts ago it was 7...

It doesn't take much to get a bowl game, just win 6 games. ASU and Stanford both went 5-7. If ASU didn't play top 10 Georgia but a home game vs Georgia State, they're 6-6. If Stanford didn't go to top 10 TCU but stayed home vs Texas State, they're 6-6 and USC played 8 bowl teams.

did you read what i said? assuming they win the east and the west winner was in a bowl this year that makes 8

wth you mean if ASU didnt play Georgia? 8 SEC teams play Georgia every year. you just shot yourself in the foot with that ,if UT didnt play UCLA but instead idaho theyd have been 6-6 and went to a bowl putting 9 on Florida schedule for next year

yeah im sure stanford scheduled TCU for the quality opponent....a program with a .517 all time win %, we all saw this magical year for TCU comign 10 yrs ago when stanford scheduled them

 

[guitarjosh]

did you read what i said? assuming they win the east and the west winner was in a bowl this year that makes 8

wth you mean if ASU didnt play Georgia? 8 SEC teams play Georgia every year. you just shot yourself in the foot with that ,if UT didnt play UCLA but instead idaho theyd have been 6-6 and went to a bowl putting 9 on Florida schedule for next year

yeah im sure stanford scheduled TCU for the quality opponent....a program with a .517 all time win %, we all saw this magical year for TCU comign 10 yrs ago when stanford scheduled them

What I mean is if ASU and Stanford played an OOC like the SEC does they would have gone bowling. If Kentucky played a real OOC team instead of Bubba's Truck Driving school or who ever it was this year they're 5-7 and stayed home.

You're knocking TCU now? You do know they have a better record then most SEC teams do this decade, right?

 

[ChrisParadise]

You're knocking TCU now? You do know they have a better record then most SEC teams do this decade, right?

so..when an SEC team beats a MWC conference team its nothing, but when TCU beats em its a good win ?

TCU is a good team - ill give em that ....but you cant have it both ways. if you want to judge a teams record by quality of competition , then judge the opponents competition by the same standard

if arkansas hadnt lost at texas theyd have went bowling and if auburn didnt lose at WVU they would have too. what ifs are pointless though as you obviously will only see it through your eyes

if USC dont like the system that they helped create then lobby to change it, or shut the hell up. it was fine when they went to the title game in 2004 over an undefeated auburn team that had maybe the best backfield ever..but now it sucks cause USC dont get a pass simply for being USC

 

[guitarjosh]

so..when an SEC team beats a MWC conference team its nothing, but when TCU beats em its a good win ?

TCU is a good team - ill give em that ....but you cant have it both ways. if you want to judge a teams record by quality of competition , then judge the opponents competition by the same standard

if arkansas hadnt lost at texas theyd have went bowling and if auburn didnt lose at WVU they would have too. what ifs are pointless though as you obviously will only see it through your eyes

if USC dont like the system that they helped create then lobby to change it, or shut the hell up. it was fine when they went to the title game in 2004 over an undefeated auburn team that had maybe the best backfield ever..but now it sucks cause USC dont get a pass simply for being USC

First, you brought up win % for TCU, I didn't. Second, I didn't mean TCU has a winning record vs the SEC, I mean they have a better win % overall. Third, Arkansas & Auburn playing a ranked OOC team is the exception in the SEC, not the rule. Every team in the Pac-10 but Arizona played a ranked OOC team. The Entire SEC played 5. Both Ak and AUB still had 3 patsies in their OOC. If both Stanford and ASU had 3 OOC patsies, they go to a bowl. Fourth, are you saying the 2004 BCS Title Game should have been Auburn and Oklahoma?

 

[ChrisParadise]

What I mean is if ASU and Stanford played an OOC like the SEC does they would have gone bowling.

and if they played a conf schedule like the SEC does they would not..we can go round and round , not much point

btw you seen the mock draft link in nfl forum for 09?
first rd = SEC-7 , PAC-10 4 (USC 2). there is just more talent in the SEC every year, whats to argue?

 

[guitarjosh]

and if they played a conf schedule like the SEC does they would not..we can go round and round , not much point

btw you seen the mock draft link in nfl forum for 09?
first rd = SEC-7 , PAC-10 4 (USC 2). there is just more talent in the SEC every year, whats to argue?

Yes, we can go round and round, because for some reason you refuse to see that if the SEC played a 9 game conference schedule half the teams would lose, and if they played 15-20 ranked OOC teams a year, their records would not be as good.

Yes, I do know that the SEC puts more talent into the NFL then any other conference. However, you don't play 3 SEC teams a year. Remember Arkansas last year? They didn't play Georgia or Florida, and didn't play a BCS conference OOC team.

 

[socalgator]

Conan and Russ, you are both missing the bottom line. How MANY ranked teams do you beat during the regular season? The SEC year in and year out has MORE ranked teams, so victories in the SEC will elevate your strength of schedule and rank you higher in the BCS. Boise St and Utah go undefeated-but who do they beat in their conference? Here's the last 5 years with USC vs. Florida comparison's for you Conan (Final rankings), only top 20:

08' Florida, beat OU (#5), Bama (#6), UGA #13, lost to Ole Miss #14
08' USC beat Penn St. #8, Oregon #9, lost to Oregon St. #19

07' Florida lost to #1 LSU, lost to UGA #2, beat Vols #12, lost to Auburn #15
USC 07' beat ASU #16 , lost to unranked Stanford

06' Florida beat Ohio St. #2, beat LSU #3, lost to Auburn #9, beat Arkansas #15
06' USC beat Michigan #8, cal #14, ND #17

05' florida lost to LSU #6, beat UGA #10
05' USC lost to UT #1, beat Oregon #12 , beat UCLA #16

04' florida lost UGA #7, lost Miami #11, lost Vols #13, beat FSU#15, lost LSU #16
USC beat OU #3, beat cal #9


Its obvious that Florida has a tougher road and plays more ranked teams-because the SEC is better top to bottom. The Pac 10 is weaker, and with the exception of this past season the Big 12 overall had more ranked teams than the SEC (which meant nothing in this case).
In 04' and 05', USC had an easy cakewalk to the national Championship game (has anyone brought that up?) as you can see, and blowing the game to UT. And 03'?, lets not get into that USC split that championship with the AP vote, not a real unanimous championship, beating Michigan in the Rose Bowl!

 

[guitarjosh]

Conan and Russ, you are both missing the bottom line. How MANY ranked teams do you beat during the regular season? The SEC year in and year out has MORE ranked teams, so victories in the SEC will elevate your strength of schedule and rank you higher in the BCS. Boise St and Utah go undefeated-but who do they beat in their conference? Here's the last 5 years with USC vs. Florida comparison's for you Conan (Final rankings), only top 20:

You forgot a few

08' Florida, beat OU (#5), Bama (#6), UGA #13, lost to Ole Miss #14
08' USC beat Penn St. #8, Oregon #9, beat Ohio State #11, lost to Oregon St. #19

07' Florida lost to #1 LSU, lost to UGA #2, beat Vols #12, lost to Auburn #15
USC 07' beat ASU #16 , lost to unranked Stanford beat #20 Illinois

06' Florida beat Ohio St. #2, beat LSU #3, lost to Auburn #9, beat Arkansas #15
06' USC beat Michigan #8, cal #14, ND #17 Beat Arkansas #15

05' florida lost to LSU #6, beat UGA #10
05' USC lost to UT #1, beat Oregon #12 , beat UCLA #16, Beat #9 Notre Dame

04' florida lost UGA #7, lost Miami #11, lost Vols #13, beat FSU#15, lost LSU #16
USC beat OU #3, beat cal #9, beat ASU #19, beat Virginia Tech #10


Its obvious that Florida has a tougher road and plays more ranked teams-because the SEC is better top to bottom. The Pac 10 is weaker, and with the exception of this past season the Big 12 overall had more ranked teams than the SEC (which meant nothing in this case).
In 04' and 05', USC had an easy cakewalk to the national Championship game (has anyone brought that up?) as you can see, and blowing the game to UT. And 03'?, lets not get into that USC split that championship with the AP vote, not a real unanimous championship, beating Michigan in the Rose Bowl!

It's not obvious if you included all the teams and learn to count. Looks like that cakewalk they enjoyed '04 & '05 had as many ranked teams as both of Florida's years. I wonder how many SEC teams would be ranked if they played 9 conference games and would play 15 tough OOC games vs ranked teams.

 

[ElTaino]

So until then you can play in the Rose Bowl and beat up on the Little 10 teams who lose all their bowl games and don't measure up nationally (Ohio St). Penn St. would get blown out by Florida, Texas, or OU, so beating them by 10 pts. is no big feat!

ohio st (who lost to penn st) played texas. that was a blowout? :think2:

 

[ElTaino]

Why not just get there next year and we can settle this. Gators will be there. Where will the Trojans be? See you next year when I blast you when I pull this thread back up in January. Nothing would be sweeter than to beat you in your own backyard in the Rose Bowl. Can you get there? The Orange Bowl was this years site fot the National Championship right in our backyard. We were there and we won it. Difference is next year we will be in the Rose Bowl. Will you? and if you are You WILL get beat in Your own back yard

this is what cracks me up about all of you floridians. the arrogance. you will be there? dont you think thats a little ambiguous? if you think for even one second that the gators are a "lock" to win it all again, you are just delusional. i understand that the gators are going to be great again, but the way tebow runs, it's only a matter of time before a linebacker catches him scrambling and seperates his shoulder. what im saying is, if tebow happens to go down, florida is an 9-3 team. furthermore if you believe that florida can smack usc in the rose bowl, i wouldnt bank on it. as ucla alumni and season ticket holder i watch ucla get smacked by usc at the rose bowl often hno: the only reason that texas beat them there is because lendale "useless" white couldnt gain a half yard and the offensive coordinator should have been fired for making that call and not having bush on the field as a decoy. usc also consistently puts up 40+ at the rose bowl against all comers. you can say all these starters are leaving and that sanchez leaving really does them in, but the fact still remains that year after year, the only team who can beat usc is usc. when you have 3 gatorade national high school players of the year on your roster (until sanchez left so now 2, both qb's) and numerous all american you can never be counted out. when you have a qb who likes to scramble (open to possible injury) and who cant make crossfield throws (oklahoma intercepted those), your top player leaving (harvin) and a bullseye on you because you are the champs, i think you will find it harder than you think. as for you being there "for sure", i think its a little bit early for that type of specualtion

 

[ChrisParadise]

Remember Arkansas last year? They didn't play Georgia or Florida, and didn't play a BCS conference OOC team.

arkansas which year? they play alabama , auburn, ole miss and lsu every year instead - lucky them!

07 they played 9 bowl teams ,more than any pac-10 team - hell they even won AT LSU - the national champion that year

08 they played texas lsu alabama ..8 bowl teams total, again more than any pac-10 team

come on man . how can you question that either year?

 

[ElTaino]

After Auburn got the FUCK in 2003 I don't think we'll see the SEC get screwed again (see LSU's 2 loss season in 2007 AND accompanying National Championship).

sept 2, 2002 auburn 17 at usc 24
aug 30, 2003 usc 23 at auburn 0
jan 4, 2005 (2004 nat'l championship) usc 55 oklahoma 19 (auburn wanted no part of that usc team. auburn barely beat a 10-2 va tech team 16-13 in the bowl game)

what was that again?

 

[ChrisParadise]

Looks like that cakewalk they enjoyed '04 & '05 had as many ranked teams as both of Florida's years. quote]


looks like on what planet?

so if USC plays 1 ooc ranked team and 2 in conference ranked teams thast as tough as florida playing 5 ranked teams in conference , and a top 5 or 10 team in the conference championship game?

what planet is this on?

 

[guitarjosh]

arkansas which year? they play alabama , auburn, ole miss and lsu every year instead - lucky them!

07 they played 9 bowl teams ,more than any pac-10 team - hell they even won AT LSU - the national champion that year

08 they played texas lsu alabama ..8 bowl teams total, again more than any pac-10 team

come on man . how can you question that either year?

Arkansas 2007. Alabama (6-6) Ole Miss (3-9). Not to mention Troy, North Texas, Tenn-Chatt, Florida international.

Again, more circular logic from you. Here is a news flash: getting to 6-6 and a bowl in the SEC isn't hard. Play an OOC like Arkansas did in 2007, with no BCS conference teams, then go 2-6 in conference. You're acting like that's an impressive feat. Going 6-0 against teams that you play at home with records at or below .500 is nothing to brag about, well, unless you're an SEC fan.

 

[guitarjosh]

Looks like that cakewalk they enjoyed '04 & '05 had as many ranked teams as both of Florida's years.

looks like on what planet?

so if USC plays 1 ooc ranked team and 2 in conference ranked teams thast as tough as florida playing 5 ranked teams in conference , and a top 5 or 10 team in the conference championship game?

what planet is this on?

Can you read???

Looks like that cakewalk they enjoyed '04 & '05 had as many ranked teams as both of Florida's years.

USC played 4 top 20 ranked teams in both 2004 and 2005, and according socalgator, that's as many as Florida played in 2006 & 2008.

 

[Conan]

this is what cracks me up about all of you floridians. the arrogance. you will be there? dont you think thats a little ambiguous? if you think for even one second that the gators are a "lock" to win it all again, you are just delusional. i understand that the gators are going to be great again, but the way tebow runs, it's only a matter of time before a linebacker catches him scrambling and seperates his shoulder. what im saying is, if tebow happens to go down, florida is an 9-3 team. furthermore if you believe that florida can smack usc in the rose bowl, i wouldnt bank on it. as ucla alumni and season ticket holder i watch ucla get smacked by usc at the rose bowl often hno: the only reason that texas beat them there is because lendale "useless" white couldnt gain a half yard and the offensive coordinator should have been fired for making that call and not having bush on the field as a decoy. usc also consistently puts up 40+ at the rose bowl against all comers. you can say all these starters are leaving and that sanchez leaving really does them in, but the fact still remains that year after year, the only team who can beat usc is usc. when you have 3 gatorade national high school players of the year on your roster (until sanchez left so now 2, both qb's) and numerous all american you can never be counted out. when you have a qb who likes to scramble (open to possible injury) and who cant make crossfield throws (oklahoma intercepted those), your top player leaving (harvin) and a bullseye on you because you are the champs, i think you will find it harder than you think. as for you being there "for sure", i think its a little bit early for that type of specualtion

Since you mentioned it, I think USC's offense next year will be something to behold. They return 8 starters with 2 more All-American quality RB's rotating in and out. Aaron Corp will likely be their next QB. He's a better passer than Sanchez, he's about the same size as Sanchez but he scrambles as well as any QB you wil ever see. He was giving USC's ("best ever") defense fits in practice trying to bottle him up. Let the rest of the conference and CFB deal with USC and a QB that runs well. You will see what I mean soon enough. He's just a layer or 2 of dirt on his jersey away from developing into a great QB, better than Sanchez.

 

[CoachCB]

Florida plays 8 bowl teams now? a couple posts ago it was 7...

It doesn't take much to get a bowl game, just win 6 games. ASU and Stanford both went 5-7. If ASU didn't play top 10 Georgia but a home game vs Georgia State, they're 6-6. If Stanford didn't go to top 10 TCU but stayed home vs Texas State, they're 6-6 and USC played 8 bowl teams.

Josh, Georgia State does not have a football team. They will field a team in the 2010 season w/ Bill Curry as the head coach. :nohead:

Seriously, it's a pissing contest. It really is. Until there is a playoff system we'll be having this discussion every off-season. And it looks like we'll be having this discussion quite often!

As far as the 2009 season goes, any team among:

Florida
Southern Cal
Oklahoma
Texas
Penn State
Ohio State

...all have a legitimate shot at the National Championship....and I'm sure there will be a few other teams that may sneak in as well. All it takes is an upset loss to eliminate one of these teams.

Personally I think it will be UF vs. USC or Texas/Oklahoma. I don't think UF will slip up against it's schedule. And as far as UF's OOC schedule, I'm glad it only has one legitimate "tough" game (vs. FSU). W/ the SECCG that's one more obstacle that the Big Ten & Pac 10 does not have to face. And as mentioned by someone else in this thread, UF may have to play LSU in a rematch. Rematches are hard to win. I hope it's Alabama or Ole Miss (as they are not on UF's regular season schedule).

It's going to be a fun season. UF fans will be anticipating a national championship game appearance (and of course, an SEC Championship). This year, me personally, all I wanted was a shot at the SEC title. W/ UGA returning what they had....and starting the season ranked #1....I was just hoping to get through the schedule w/ an SEC East and possible SEC Championship. We got the whole thing! College football is a fun sport. This site makes it more fun discussing who/what team/games to bet.

We will all continue to have these pissing contests....but, for 1 more year MY team is the defending National Champion. Fans from other teams can talk all the shit they want....they can say Urban Meyer is an asshole (and I probably won't disagree w/ you)......they can say Tebow is "fake" (and I will probably disagree w/ you as I know his family)....but they CANNOT take the 2008 BCS National Championship away from us!!

Go Gators!

And, good luck to your team in 2009.......

 

[CoachCB]

Conan,

I agree w/ you about USC. If the new QB gels immediately they will be real good....REAL GOOD! The last 5 years I've been starting the season saying that USC is the "team to beat". As I mentioned before, I think Pete Carroll is the best coach in football (and I think UF's coach is right on his heels). Pete does such a good job at ALL aspects of being a college football head coach:

Coaching, recruiting, hiring new coaches to replace his superstar assistants that take other jobs, keeping the fans happy, keeping his 5-star 3rd team WR and QB's happy long enough to wait their turn, doing good comminuty work, and just being a good person/coach/family man/mentor/etc.

I'll be watching anxiously to see if USC slips up next year. What game will be their first "real test" next year?

When I see USC I don't see any weaknesses. None. It amazes me that they have lost to some of the teams they have over the years (Oregon State X 2 is the most amazing to me).

But, it seems, USC's time is coming (for it all to come together). As I've said, IMO if the QB (whoever it may be) plays well USC will become "the team to beat". As an SEC fan, I just hate how they don't have to play in a conference championship game (same for Big Ten). Not that USC could lose the game after running the table in the Pac 10, just that it's one more opportunity for an injury....one more opportunity to roll an ankle or one more chance to be exposed/show a weakness for your upcoming bowl opponent, etc (UF had to go into the SECCG w/out it's best offensive weapon - Harvin, for example). The conference championship games aren't always a gimme either and as I mentioned....they present one more tough game on the schedule.

But, that's why they play the games. I'm looking forward to the 2009 season. I think Oklahoma/Texas is going to be HUGE next year....especially w/ both QBs returning. Penn State/Ohio State in the Big Ten is going to be tough as well. Both of those schools have recruited extremely well. Additionally, will Georgia be better now that Stafford is gone? Some will argue that Stafford was too busy trying to show off his arm instead of being a team player....same for Moreno. How will Alabama perform after losing their senior QB?

 

[russ1945]

I think that not being in USC's back yard and looking at in from the outside in, Pete Carroll's commentary on Sanchez leaving makes a lot of outsiders think that at least Carroll saw him as a crticical part of the picture. I think Sanchez's best game was against Penn St. but he was hitting wide open receivers. I see where Carroll was coming from but personally those are the comments that you keep in house. I lost a little respect for Carroll because of it. I am not doubting that from his perspective Sanchez could benefit from at least another season and it is almost like you put a lot of time into his development just to have it go down the tube. I personally think USC can replace him but whoever it is needs to be up to speed by the time they make that trip to Ohio State. That is critical to the overall plan if you are going after a national championship. That is a lot of pressure for a new quarterback. Look how the Ohio State QB began to blossom after last years USC game. Timing is part of the equation.