FINGER LAKES #1 YESTERDAY ???

RIOSHILL · Apr 26, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by herman jones:
rio, i have the utmost respect for you because you have been honorable since this wager was made. i no you have said many, many, times that you are paying.( again , right from the get go) and because you have won my respect, i hope that you will continue to accept my business. if you do not, i will still understand. i really hope that everybody who's been following this can see what a class act that you are and open an acct. with you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
We appreciate your words. And welcome your bets in the future. If you pretty much only play steam horses we will possibly lower your limits, but you can rest assured that you will ALWAYS be paid at Rio. Once again, good job on the score! What people fail to realize is that professional or amataur, you nailed it! Billy Walters gets put on a pedestal for crushing books every day with his "inside info". If someone does this in horses they are villified. As far as the score, you the man! In the future, it would be smart to play with only the strongest and to possibly "massage" the account a little. You know, a couple of chalk bets in between, lol. Herman, with 9000 plus views, you are the RX April Man of the Month.

jimmyd · Apr 26, 2004

question to herman-is oasis one of the books not paying. i tried to withdraw my funds from there after reading that they were one of the books not paying and the guy there disputed that and said it was not true that they were one of the books unlike the guy at first fidelity where i also made a withdrawal who admitted he was not paying and was going to put the money up in a horse racing contest. if you could please confirm the allegation made about oasis in another thread i would appreciate it so i can finish my withdrawal if true. thank you

kidslick · Apr 26, 2004

WOW this is the most amazing thread i have ever read here at the RX.. I am speechless

RIO i am glad u step up to the plate and took care of the party involved
you will always be my number out when it comes to my money.

simply amazing

Makers · Apr 26, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>And as the other poster said, you should really thank the lord for this forum, because without it you would be in deep deep kaka. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Am I the only one that has a problem with this?

RIOSHILL · Apr 26, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Makers:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>And as the other poster said, you should really thank the lord for this forum, because without it you would be in deep deep kaka. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Am I the only one that has a problem with this?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don't think Herman has a problem with it. If not for the forums as a platform to debate this, he may have not gotten half the people to pay who did. Actually, after we got involved in this debate in the forum here, we thought twice about our position and ultimately concluded that Herman was 1 million % in the right. Here is a case where a gambling forum, (like a court of law) helped an individual get paid. Isn't that what it's all about?

duster · Apr 26, 2004

jimmyd, i talked to wilson at 4:45 eastern time today and he was a very courteous asshole. he told me that because i had listed oasis on this sight as a no pay that the damage was done. i then told him that's a great excuse for not paying and that i will continue to lobby against oasis and him personally. all along he tried to sound that he just wanted to see how the so called investigation was going to end up. he had told me that his service in las vegas was'nt paying the race. then he changed the story to"we just have a service in las vegas" ...what ever that means. he's full of shit , and there a half ass book joint that advertises a good thing on big sights and then try's to find a excuse(as in this case) not to pay.

url4sale · Apr 26, 2004

Rio Shill, it's funny how you come out smelling like a rose in all this shit. However I am not impressed with you at all.

RIO, and many others paid, and you should be thankful for that.

Why should a bettor be glad that the book did what they were supposed to do in the first place.

As for being amatuers and supposedly opening up accounts the day before the big bet.

What about all those people that open accounts the day before the Super Bowl and bet big and win? Are they amateurs too.

Because I will tell you I opened several accounts the day of the Super Bowl and made the max bet allowed on the side, and I am not an amatuer. I made my bets, won, asked for payouts and got paid.

So what's the difference here.

The KY Derby is this Saturday, again lots of non sports bettors will open accounts and shoot their wad, 95% of them likely will lose, does this make them amatuers.

You come off as you did these guys favors for paying them. Jake and the rest that slow played this situation are even worse.

Let's all bow to Rio for paying what should have been paid. Let's bow to Jake for paying 10 days later, let's bow to TCBets for doing the same.

Heck let's even bow to the great sportsbooks that paid and make these poor guys roll it over 10x, and 1x, and whatever else.

You wonder what gives the offshore sportsbooks a black eye, it's the pompous, greater than thou attitude some of you ass clowns come off with.

No offense but save it for someone who really cares.

By the way, when I hammer that baseball game later this week I have on my calendar circled, and it wins big, will I have to worry that the opposing pitcher was on the take?

Another lesson learned for the people, the books have you by the balls, and use everything in their power to cut them off, and leave you hanging.

RIOSHILL · Apr 26, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by url 4 sale:
Rio Shill, it's funny how you come out smelling like a rose in all this shit. However I am not impressed with you at all.

RIO, and many others paid, and you should be thankful for that.

Why should a bettor be glad that the book did what they were supposed to do in the first place.

As for being amatuers and supposedly opening up accounts the day before the big bet.

What about all those people that open accounts the day before the Super Bowl and bet big and win? Are they amateurs too.

Because I will tell you I opened several accounts the day of the Super Bowl and made the max bet allowed on the side, and I am not an amatuer. I made my bets, won, asked for payouts and got paid.

So what's the difference here.

The KY Derby is this Saturday, again lots of non sports bettors will open accounts and shoot their wad, 95% of them likely will lose, does this make them amatuers.

You come off as you did these guys favors for paying them. Jake and the rest that slow played this situation are even worse.

Let's all bow to Rio for paying what should have been paid. Let's bow to Jake for paying 10 days later, let's bow to TCBets for doing the same.

Heck let's even bow to the great sportsbooks that paid and make these poor guys roll it over 10x, and 1x, and whatever else.

You wonder what gives the offshore sportsbooks a black eye, it's the pompous, greater than thou attitude some of you ass clowns come off with.

No offense but save it for someone who really cares.

By the way, when I hammer that baseball game later this week I have on my calendar circled, and it wins big, will I have to worry that the opposing pitcher was on the take?

Another lesson learned for the people, the books have you by the balls, and use everything in their power to cut them off, and leave you hanging.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You are obviously very myopic and are illustrating your ignorance to everyone who reads these forums. If you took the time to read the ENTIRE thread, you will see that all we did was engage in a debate that was fun and interesting for the majority of readers here. All of those people with an IQ that eclipses 90 picked up on the attributes of the exchange. If you are unable to see that all we did was have some fun with this in terms of debating all angles of the dispute, and then ultimately siding with the bettor, then you need to go back through the thread again. In terms of our perspective on how he went about unleashing his "steam" horse, all we said was that he would have served himself well to "massage" the accounts. If we did anything here, we helped him in his future endeavors. When you are in over your head, just sit back and concede. The majority of intelligent posters here who are intelligent enough to decipher all of the posts will side with us. Sorry Mr. 4 sale.

Makers · Apr 27, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Am I the only one that has a problem with this? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> don't think Herman has a problem with it. If not for the forums as a platform to debate this, he may have not gotten half the people to pay who did. Actually, after we got involved in this debate in the forum here, we thought twice about our position and ultimately concluded that Herman was 1 million % in the right. Here is a case where a gambling forum, (like a court of law) helped an individual get paid. Isn't that what it's all about? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

General, I find it admirable that Rx was instrumental solving this dilemma, my point being "Why was it necessary"

How many people could have named the books that paid without question before they were posted?

There were four I could have named without hesitation!

What bothers me is we are applauding those that
exhausted every avenue in order not to pay before following suit with the "Quality Books" that paid without hesitation!!!

Good for those that eventually upheld their obligation!!!!
Shame on them for the manner in which they handled this matter!!

peterx · Apr 27, 2004

hi Herman Jones,

I play at Oasis regularly, and asked Wilson who answered they already paid you, please confirm.

Also curious to know decision of David at TCBets - I recommend those guys a lot - but if they drop the ball here they don't deserve any action from horse bettors.

url4sale · Apr 27, 2004

Rio Shill, not trying to get in a pissing contest with you, but since you opened the door, let's go at it shall we.

Because someone namely me, took an opposite side view of you and your book, I am now not intelligent and have an IQ of lower than 90.

You state we were having fun, and so on and so on. It certainly didn't sound like the folks being slow paid, and no paid, were having tons of fun here.

This is the same kind of pompous kiss my ass attitude I am talking about. You merely stepped right up and proved it.

Calling these guys amateurs, trying and the key word is trying here, to teach them to massage their accounts. Since when does someone have to massage their account to get paid.

I open an account, I make my bets, I want paid, I should get paid. I should'nt have to feel I owe you action. You already got my action. Screw you, I owe you nothing. You booked the bets, took the risk, albeit much less a risk than mine, because you have the ultimate trump card. You can decide not to pay me, or slow pay a winner. Now when I say this, it is in general and not specifically pointing at you or Rio.

When you open up a stock account at Merrill, and make a few trades and make a score, they settle your account, you ask for the money, they wire or mail you a check. There isn't any investigations, there isn't any slow pays, there isn't you only made a few bets, you need to make more, or get called an amateur for making a hit and getting out.

I have read the majority of the thread, and while 98% of the banter is for these shit books to pay, this shouldn't have become necessary.

The books got hit, big fn deal, it's not the first time, nor the last. They will get hit later this week, and next week, and next week and so on.

How is it we never hear when the book makes the big score, why don't these guys come in and cry then, it's only when they feel they got cheated, when really all that happens is someone beat them.

Now if you don't like what I have to say, then that's fine. I am entitled to my thoughts as you are as well, so respond like a civil person, not a jackass.

RIOSHILL · Apr 27, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by url 4 sale:
Rio Shill, not trying to get in a pissing contest with you, but since you opened the door, let's go at it shall we.

Because someone namely me, took an opposite side view of you and your book, I am now not intelligent and have an IQ of lower than 90.

You state we were having fun, and so on and so on. It certainly didn't sound like the folks being slow paid, and no paid, were having tons of fun here.

This is the same kind of pompous kiss my ass attitude I am talking about. You merely stepped right up and proved it.

Calling these guys amateurs, trying and the key word is trying here, to teach them to massage their accounts. Since when does someone have to massage their account to get paid.

I open an account, I make my bets, I want paid, I should get paid. I should'nt have to feel I owe you action. You already got my action. Screw you, I owe you nothing. You booked the bets, took the risk, albeit much less a risk than mine, because you have the ultimate trump card. You can decide not to pay me, or slow pay a winner. Now when I say this, it is in general and not specifically pointing at you or Rio.

When you open up a stock account at Merrill, and make a few trades and make a score, they settle your account, you ask for the money, they wire or mail you a check. There isn't any investigations, there isn't any slow pays, there isn't you only made a few bets, you need to make more, or get called an amateur for making a hit and getting out.

I have read the majority of the thread, and while 98% of the banter is for these shit books to pay, this shouldn't have become necessary.

The books got hit, big fn deal, it's not the first time, nor the last. They will get hit later this week, and next week, and next week and so on.

How is it we never hear when the book makes the big score, why don't these guys come in and cry then, it's only when they feel they got cheated, when really all that happens is someone beat them.

Now if you don't like what I have to say, then that's fine. I am entitled to my thoughts as you are as well, so respond like a civil person, not a jackass.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I have been called a jackass, degenerate, and much worse. I appreciate your comments, and what you say makes sense that if people post up, no matter how long before the event they MUST get paid. I am sorry if you didn't at least see that some of the comments I made made sense. In the "real" world, you are 1 million percent correct. The crux of this argument is that in the off-shore world, we are dealing with a lot of unscrupulous scumbags, hence you may want to "massage" the account in order to not run into a scumbag who will try to manufacture an excuse not to pay. That is all I am saying. Also, I am lucky to have an IQ that is above 60. If you knew how much I got burned for by ACES GOLD, you wouldn't think that my iq matches my shoe size. Going back to Herman's score, I just wanted to say that he is dealing with third world countries who don't "Have" to pay because most are not regulated. Consequently, I felt that he would have been better off playing with the BIG established books that he knew would do the right thing. I have a hard time believing you would disagree with the latter. URL, have a great day, and sorry if I pissed you off. May good luck follow you sir!

duster · Apr 27, 2004

url 4 sale, i strongly agree with all of your post. thank you for saying the absolute way it should be. i have stood up to some of these books bullshit, and accepted there roll over. i will try like i have never tried before to triple what i have in those accts. know. i no the odds are not on my side but you never know.

duster · Apr 27, 2004

peterx, scumbag wilson is full of shit. i called him for the last time at oasis sports and he said a few people had called responding to my post . he told me that he told these people that he can not give out other customers information. he's got more shit than anybody i have ever known. you would think he would try to give his side of the story, but seeing he knows he's wrong and can't tell the truth about the situation, he has to bullshit his way out of it. is that the book you want to trust your funds in?????????????????????????/

duster · Apr 27, 2004

peterx, to answer your question about triple crown race book, david told me that with all the news about the race, he wanted to make absolute sure about the whole situation. i accepted that and he is sending me a check. i can understand his side with all the bullshit that was surounding this race.

fgorshin · Apr 27, 2004

I just want to let everyone know that Goldmedal sports finally credited my account in full for the race I wagered at Fingerlakes on 4-16-04. I am pleased with this. Jake has been a man of his word, and I will continue to do business with his company. We had a long talk about the situatin afterwards involving this race, and we both agreed on many things. For those of you who think I should be pissed that it took this long to get my money, you do have a point. But, I can't blame a book to check up on things to make sure there was no wrongdoing. That is what Goldmedal did, and when they found the race to be legit, without a doubt, they did the right thing and credited my account. Thank-you Jake, and the management at Goldmedal who decided on this issue.

ChuckSims · Apr 27, 2004

Be thankful to these forums. You think these shady books that had STIFFED you rolled over because they suddenly found their conscience? Don't think for a second you were the first these slime balls have stiffed, stalled, or slow paid. Fortunately you knew about these forums. Has Millennium paid you yet?

duster · Apr 27, 2004

again, oasis is a BIG NO PAY......

themanowesme · Apr 27, 2004

Hey Jake, how was the vacation?

One question for you Jake, what did you find out from the investigation that finally made you pay on this wager?

fgorshin · Apr 27, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by themanowesme:
Hey Jake, how was the vacation?

One question for you Jake, what did you find out from the investigation that finally made you pay on this wager?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I just want to say that Goldmedal has paid. They found no wrong-doing with this race. After a long conversation with Jake, I am satisfied with his decision. It took awhile, but he will continue to take my action, if I decide to play more, but bottom line is....... HE STOOD BY HIS WORD.