i just got off the phone with eric at global wager and must tell you that this guy is absolute scum. i really feel that even if there was no bullshit about this race that global wager would'nt pay anyway. they probably could'nt afford to lose that kind of money and figured lets just use this excuse to get out of paying. i quickly asked him if he had credited my acct. yet and he said "i told you 3 times, no!!!!! click..... and thats how much class they have,i cant even get my deposit back let alone try to reason with them. i talked to mr. nate evans at payoffs plus and at first he had said that they wer'nt paying. then he said he would credit my acct. if i rolled my balance over 10 times ya 10 times. i'll play by his rules. he was thinking that this was a hit and run, but im game and i'll put it on the line.its not right but ......i spoke with robert at bet us-omni, and he said he put the balance i had before the race in my acct. but not yet any horse winnings. i asked why and the reply was "we know there was no wrong doing with the race but you still manipulated the pools. this guy will say anything to get out of paying this.i also called triple crown race book twice today and tried to talk to david ,whom i still not talkrd to,and they told me once that he was out of the office and the other time he would call me me back in one hour. i have yet to hear from him. being a race book you would think that this would be no problem for them .i talked to wilson at oasis he very casually told me were not paying you basically because we are already on the no pay list. my reply was because i went on the rx and said my case that you were'nt paying your now stiffing me. and he said ya, thats how i would say it. this guy tries to be nice when he's f..ing you. now thats a nice guy. i stongly suggest that nobody be tricked by this snake in the grass by his sweet ass bullshit. i would also suggest never sending money to wilson or oasis.im taking a break to eat dinner and will finish later.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by herman jones:
i just got off the phone with eric at global wager and must tell you that this guy is absolute scum. i really feel that even if there was no bullshit about this race that global wager would'nt pay anyway. they probably could'nt afford to lose that kind of money and figured lets just use this excuse to get out of paying. i quickly asked him if he had credited my acct. yet and he said "i told you 3 times, no!!!!! click..... and thats how much class they have,i cant even get my deposit back let alone try to reason with them. i talked to mr. nate evans at payoffs plus and at first he had said that they wer'nt paying. then he said he would credit my acct. if i rolled my balance over 10 times ya 10 times. i'll play by his rules. he was thinking that this was a hit and run, but im game and i'll put it on the line.its not right but ......i spoke with robert at bet us-omni, and he said he put the balance i had before the race in my acct. but not yet any horse winnings. i asked why and the reply was "we know there was no wrong doing with the race but you still manipulated the pools. this guy will say anything to get out of paying this.i also called triple crown race book twice today and tried to talk to david ,whom i still not talkrd to,and they told me once that he was out of the office and the other time he would call me me back in one hour. i have yet to hear from him. being a race book you would think that this would be no problem for them .i talked to wilson at oasis he very casually told me were not paying you basically because we are already on the no pay list. my reply was because i went on the rx and said my case that you were'nt paying your now stiffing me. and he said ya, thats how i would say it. this guy tries to be nice when he's f..ing you. now thats a nice guy. i stongly suggest that nobody be tricked by this snake in the grass by his sweet ass bullshit. i would also suggest never sending money to wilson or oasis.im taking a break to eat dinner and will finish later.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Good job on the race. Congrats on your win, and if you can make a score like that you must be a smart guy who knows when he has a huge edge. The area where I believe you guys erred was in your overwhelming greed in this situation. I personally have had "steam" horses that i have profited nicely off of. I, however, was smart enough to not assume that every off shore book would pay out when I played these "steam" horses. In your greed to get down all you could, you made one astronomical mistake--not playing your horse with established books that you know will pay. when i played steam horses, i played them at the spots that i knew would pay, (like rio) , no matter how bitter they were. In life sometimes, it is quality over quantity. You can go ahead and lash out at the books who didn't pay, but jesus christ, you certainly played with a lot of fringe books that a lot of people barely know about. This is analagous to someone going out and walking into a sportsbook in North Vegas and asking them if they take 100k on the super bowl. They of course, say yes, and then after the game is over, the doors are closed. Perhaps you guys didn't get burned by Aces Gold, but we all certainly did. Bottom line, if you would have simply played your horses with all of the BIG BOYS, you wouldn't be in this predicament. Bottom line, you can bitch about these books until you are blue in the face, and in all likelihood, it is not shame on them, but shame on you. How can you possibly assume that way 40 sportsbooks are going to react to the sound beating that you administered? RIO, and many others paid, and you should be thankful for that. In the future, perhaps you guys will take another approach when betting steam horses. When I used to move steam, we would "massage" the account with some square chalk bets for a couple of months, and then get set for the kill. Posting up 24 hours before the race with myriad books and then hoping they will all do the right thing IMO is downright amateur.
i just got off the phone with eric at global wager and must tell you that this guy is absolute scum. i really feel that even if there was no bullshit about this race that global wager would'nt pay anyway. they probably could'nt afford to lose that kind of money and figured lets just use this excuse to get out of paying. i quickly asked him if he had credited my acct. yet and he said "i told you 3 times, no!!!!! click..... and thats how much class they have,i cant even get my deposit back let alone try to reason with them. i talked to mr. nate evans at payoffs plus and at first he had said that they wer'nt paying. then he said he would credit my acct. if i rolled my balance over 10 times ya 10 times. i'll play by his rules. he was thinking that this was a hit and run, but im game and i'll put it on the line.its not right but ......i spoke with robert at bet us-omni, and he said he put the balance i had before the race in my acct. but not yet any horse winnings. i asked why and the reply was "we know there was no wrong doing with the race but you still manipulated the pools. this guy will say anything to get out of paying this.i also called triple crown race book twice today and tried to talk to david ,whom i still not talkrd to,and they told me once that he was out of the office and the other time he would call me me back in one hour. i have yet to hear from him. being a race book you would think that this would be no problem for them .i talked to wilson at oasis he very casually told me were not paying you basically because we are already on the no pay list. my reply was because i went on the rx and said my case that you were'nt paying your now stiffing me. and he said ya, thats how i would say it. this guy tries to be nice when he's f..ing you. now thats a nice guy. i stongly suggest that nobody be tricked by this snake in the grass by his sweet ass bullshit. i would also suggest never sending money to wilson or oasis.im taking a break to eat dinner and will finish later.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Good job on the race. Congrats on your win, and if you can make a score like that you must be a smart guy who knows when he has a huge edge. The area where I believe you guys erred was in your overwhelming greed in this situation. I personally have had "steam" horses that i have profited nicely off of. I, however, was smart enough to not assume that every off shore book would pay out when I played these "steam" horses. In your greed to get down all you could, you made one astronomical mistake--not playing your horse with established books that you know will pay. when i played steam horses, i played them at the spots that i knew would pay, (like rio) , no matter how bitter they were. In life sometimes, it is quality over quantity. You can go ahead and lash out at the books who didn't pay, but jesus christ, you certainly played with a lot of fringe books that a lot of people barely know about. This is analagous to someone going out and walking into a sportsbook in North Vegas and asking them if they take 100k on the super bowl. They of course, say yes, and then after the game is over, the doors are closed. Perhaps you guys didn't get burned by Aces Gold, but we all certainly did. Bottom line, if you would have simply played your horses with all of the BIG BOYS, you wouldn't be in this predicament. Bottom line, you can bitch about these books until you are blue in the face, and in all likelihood, it is not shame on them, but shame on you. How can you possibly assume that way 40 sportsbooks are going to react to the sound beating that you administered? RIO, and many others paid, and you should be thankful for that. In the future, perhaps you guys will take another approach when betting steam horses. When I used to move steam, we would "massage" the account with some square chalk bets for a couple of months, and then get set for the kill. Posting up 24 hours before the race with myriad books and then hoping they will all do the right thing IMO is downright amateur.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Judge Wapner:
Rio,question.Will you guys be paying track odds on the Derby?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Because you are one of Rio's favorite customers, you will be extended FULL TRACK ODDS on Derby day. Please contact Keith to confirm.
Rio,question.Will you guys be paying track odds on the Derby?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Because you are one of Rio's favorite customers, you will be extended FULL TRACK ODDS on Derby day. Please contact Keith to confirm.
Who said these guys were "proffesionals" in the first place.?( Rio stated its "downright amatuer") On another forum, it was stated that these guys would not get paid because they munipulate the pools. How so?? If that was their intention, why not have 5 or 6 guys open 3-4 acounts each?? Then what would the books say? , they aren't going to pay ANYONE?? This is absurd. Its rediculous to hear the term "boat race". The bettor may be sharp, but this was NOT a boat race. These are the comments that cloud a good thread. The facts are still this: THE HORSE WON, THE RACE IS OFFICIAL, THE BOOKS WONT PAY. NO FOULPLAY HAS BEEN FOUND, OR WILL BE FOUND. The more the books keep pissing around the rim of this tiolet issue, the more shitty it looks for them. Is cutting deals by the books after a substantial loss a common practice?? Thats a crock of shit. "i win, but have to roll over to collect"........PLEASE! Nice attempt to saving your pathetic reputation
i did speak with tommy and jake from gold medal and i do believe that they were trying to get ahold of track officials.at least these guys communicate with thier bettors. i did hear back from them yet. i still dont know whats going on at empress-sportbook.com. when i call,they transfer me to 7 different people before i finally talk to somebody who try's to help me. the one teller that did try to help me put me on hold, came back on and said "talk to your friend,he talked to leo and sean on thursday and they explained everything to him".what is that???????? just tell me that your looking into the race or something... i get no explanation what so ever. its like calling a dungeon, very little to no response to any question....is there anyone out there that know's who's running this joint.if so please let me know, it would be greatly appreciated. i called action bet and again they said they were not honoring the race because it was fixed. it's good to know that they got thier shit straight. this place is a half ass shit hole, filled with shitty little scumbags who are scared shitless. remember, this is the place that has a $2500 max payout on any one race. they had the best of everything here and still don't want to pay. if any one can set them straight then please do.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by herman jones:
rio, most of the places that we opened accts. at we did so a week to two weeks prior to the race. in some cases, bigger size bets were made on sports as well on horses.whether or not im a amateur,the bets were made, accepted,and now time to pay............................................<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Did Rio pay you? The answer is yes. I was merely making a point that you could have gone about this differently. Reiterating, God bless you on the score, as you nailed it. I only stated that most professionals would have set this up differently. And as the other poster said, you should really thank the lord for this forum, because without it you would be in deep deep kaka.
rio, most of the places that we opened accts. at we did so a week to two weeks prior to the race. in some cases, bigger size bets were made on sports as well on horses.whether or not im a amateur,the bets were made, accepted,and now time to pay............................................<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Did Rio pay you? The answer is yes. I was merely making a point that you could have gone about this differently. Reiterating, God bless you on the score, as you nailed it. I only stated that most professionals would have set this up differently. And as the other poster said, you should really thank the lord for this forum, because without it you would be in deep deep kaka.
Herman Jones,
If you are the gentleman I spoke to earlier, your Gold Medal Sports account has been credited. Your funds are available to do with as you please. Thank you for your patience and please contact me sometime tomorrow, when you have the time. Thank you and best of luck!
Jake
If you are the gentleman I spoke to earlier, your Gold Medal Sports account has been credited. Your funds are available to do with as you please. Thank you for your patience and please contact me sometime tomorrow, when you have the time. Thank you and best of luck!
Jake
afraid of bush, like i said, these accts. were not opened 24 hours prior to the wagers being made. that rumor must have been started by the same people who said the race was a fix, and that the horse was doped. by the way, i believe the beyer that he's vivid will get will not exceed 30. thats a power race horse.good thing that was a shit field or this would have never been. i do thank the rx for all he has done and would very much like to do something for him. how about a couple steam horses rx, theres a lot of bullets in the holster. just don't be mad if the outcome is'nt the same as this one.
rio, i have the utmost respect for you because you have been honorable since this wager was made. i no you have said many, many, times that you are paying.( again , right from the get go) and because you have won my respect, i hope that you will continue to accept my business. if you do not, i will still understand. i really hope that everybody who's been following this can see what a class act that you are and open an acct. with you.
