Federer the Best Ever? I Think Not - He's not Even the Best Player of This Era

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It went down hill when he couldn't convert any of those 3 break points in the 9th game of the 1st set. I don't like the lower back muscle pain excuse. Stan outplayed Rafa from the beginning. He had been excellent through out the tournament.

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Nadal beaten at Wimbledon by a Teenager in the Fourth round.. Didn't Federer make something like 22 straight Semi Finals? Oh that's right the surface isn't Clay..
 
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Nadal beaten at Wimbledon by a Teenager in the Fourth round.. Didn't Federer make something like 22 straight Semi Finals? Oh that's right the surface isn't Clay..

Nadal has 5 majors on surfaces that aren't clay: Wimbledon twice and US Open twice, and the Australian.

He's now considered by most to at worst be the 2nd best player of all time.

In that light, your post looks pretty stupid.
 

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Nadal has 5 majors on surfaces that aren't clay: Wimbledon twice and US Open twice, and the Australian.

He's now considered by most to at worst be the 2nd best player of all time.

In that light, your post looks pretty stupid.

Maybe from your Eyes, But I didn't start a whole thread saying he was the best ever, and now you try and justify it by saying he is the second best of all time.. Federer in the Semi's again at age 32 and Nadal sent home by a Nineteen year old qualifier..
 

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Maybe from your Eyes, But I didn't start a whole thread saying he was the best ever, and now you try and justify it by saying he is the second best of all time.. Federer in the Semi's again at age 32 and Nadal sent home by a Nineteen year old qualifier..

Spoken like somebody who doesnt know the sport. Not all qualifiers are created equal, this wasnt a journeyman that came out of left field upset a huge fave never to be heard from again. The kid is going to be a star in near future, won wimby juniors, only 19 and you can argue that Rafa should still have won the match but Fed, Rafa, Pete were all these young upstarts once who qualified and upset some big names before they become fixtures at the top, these kind of upsets happen. Krygios has been talked about in tennis circles for a while and his potential upside is huge, Murrays been raving about him for a while now as an example. The problem is that playing against men these big upset youngsters can usually only get the big win before the letdown occurs and they tumble out. He still played a solid match vs Raonic who is no slouch but was not nearly in his rafa match form. When hes 23-24 assuming he stays healthy, people wont be so shocked that he had upset Rafa on his worst surface. Fed has a dream draw and the seas have parted for him the way they did the last time he won wimbledon. Raonic is probably not tactically there to win this match unless he serves out of his mind but Djoker will likely send him packing as would Rafa if he were still in, the best thing to happen to fed this tourny is Krygios. Keeps the fedtards talking like hes still got it, into the semis, easy draw aside but if not for a Murray and Rafa upset, fed would never be sniffing a final, hes not in their league anymore.
 

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Spoken like somebody who doesnt know the sport. Not all qualifiers are created equal, this wasnt a journeyman that came out of left field upset a huge fave never to be heard from again. The kid is going to be a star in near future, won wimby juniors, only 19 and you can argue that Rafa should still have won the match but Fed, Rafa, Pete were all these young upstarts once who qualified and upset some big names before they become fixtures at the top, these kind of upsets happen. Krygios has been talked about in tennis circles for a while and his potential upside is huge, Murrays been raving about him for a while now as an example. The problem is that playing against men these big upset youngsters can usually only get the big win before the letdown occurs and they tumble out. He still played a solid match vs Raonic who is no slouch but was not nearly in his rafa match form. When hes 23-24 assuming he stays healthy, people wont be so shocked that he had upset Rafa on his worst surface. Fed has a dream draw and the seas have parted for him the way they did the last time he won wimbledon. Raonic is probably not tactically there to win this match unless he serves out of his mind but Djoker will likely send him packing as would Rafa if he were still in, the best thing to happen to fed this tourny is Krygios. Keeps the fedtards talking like hes still got it, into the semis, easy draw aside but if not for a Murray and Rafa upset, fed would never be sniffing a final, hes not in their league anymore.

good grief, firstly, have a LOOK AT THE DRAW so as to not make urself look too idiotic. Murray is in the TOP half of the draw, Fed is in the bottom half. Nole's route got easier with Murrays exit.


at age 32, Fed's best yrs are behind him, no doubt. But let's examine this statement you made - 'hes not in their league anymore' .

um, okay...here are 2014 h2h results:

Aussie Open:

R Federer defeats A Murray - 6-3,6-4,6-7,6-3

Dubai- semi final

R Federer defeats N Djokovic 3-6,6-3, 6-2

Indian Wells - final

N Djokovic defeats R Federer 3-6,6-3,7-6

Monte Carlo- semi final

R Federer defeats N Djokovic 7-5,6-2


Australian Open - semi finals

R Nadal defeats R Federer 7-6,6-3,6-3



damn, those are the results of a player 'not in their league anymore?'.......spoken like somebody who doesn't know the sport? :)...that damn 32 yr old is still hanging around...
 

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good grief, firstly, have a LOOK AT THE DRAW so as to not make urself look too idiotic. Murray is in the TOP half of the draw, Fed is in the bottom half. Nole's route got easier with Murrays exit.


at age 32, Fed's best yrs are behind him, no doubt. But your let's examine this statement you made - 'hes not in their league anymore' .

um, okay...here are 2014 h2h results:

Aussie Open:

R Federer defeats A Murray - 6-3,6-4,6-7,6-3

Dubai- semi final

R Federer defeats N Djokovic 3-6,6-3, 6-2

Indian Wells - final

N Djokovic defeats R Federer 3-6,6-3,7-6

Monte Carlo- semi final

R Federer defeats N Djokovic 7-5,6-2


Australian Open - semi finals

R Nadal defeats R Federer 7-6,6-3,6-3



damn, those are the results are a player 'not in their league anymore?'.......spoken like somebody who doesn't know the sport? :)...that damn 32 yr old is still hanging around...

I didnt mean that Murray was in his half of the draw but hes in the group that Fed no longer is in the same league as. Not that he was going to meet all 3 in this tourny but as I wrote it, I was unclear in that but I did try to clarifiy at the bottom hes not in their league anymore.

Master series events are great and all but theyre not slams, 2 out of 3, isnt 3 out of 5, Fed hasnt been relevant in a slam since he won at wimby and the seas parted for him in that tourny as well. At this point it takes near miracles for him to win a slam. One win over that group in the last couple years at a slam and no grand slams in that time is telling. Thats no slam on his legacy but hes not in their league anymore, on a good day can he pull an upset sure, is it going to be in a 2 out 3 most likely but his days of making his way thru the gauntlet of 2 at least possibly 3 of those players in a slam is too much for him, he needs a lot of luck and for others to do the dirty work and maybe he can get one, which is what hes hoping for here if he can get thru Raonic. The days of him deciding his fates are done based on his play alone, he can be playing at peak of what hes got left and those 3 can still beat him. Hes still a top player today but outside the top tier.
 
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Maybe from your Eyes, But I didn't start a whole thread saying he was the best ever, and now you try and justify it by saying he is the second best of all time.. Federer in the Semi's again at age 32 and Nadal sent home by a Nineteen year old qualifier..

Apparently you lack basic 2nd grade level reading comprehension skills.

#1. I didn't start a thread saying Nadal was the best ever. I argued that Federer was not the best player of his era, since Nadal has owned him his whole career.

#2. I didn't argue Nadal was the 2nd best of all time (in order to justify anything), I only said that that is what the tennis pundits are now saying.

Which part of this did you find hard to comprehend?
 

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Lol. Ah, the non - GS aren't too important ..gotcha ..

hes not in Murray's league? Yet beats him at a GS in 2014? You have any clue how useless Murray has been in 2014 (he can't blame Lendl anymore , :)..)


do u follow this sport ? As you were quick to mock the other poster . Irony


And fed not 'sniffing ' the final if Murray /nadal wasn't ousted is nonsense . For one Murray is in the top half of the draw . Nadal has looked so so this tournament and his warmup grass tourney looked awful .
 

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Lol. Ah, the non - GS aren't too important ..gotcha ..

hes not in Murray's league? Yet beats him at a GS in 2014? You have any clue how useless Murray has been in 2014 (he can't blame Lendl anymore , :)..)


do u follow this sport ? As you were quick to mock the other poster . Irony


And fed not 'sniffing ' the final if Murray /nadal wasn't ousted is nonsense . For one Murray is in the top half of the draw . Nadal has looked so so this tournament and his warmup grass tourney looked awful .

oh ffs, I already talked about the sniffing the final comment, I lumped 2 thoughts together, was talking about him not being in the league of those guys anymore not that he'd play all 3, poor wording on my part but thats not an argument that theyre in the same league. To clarify yet again, I know Murray was not in his half of the draw. I rank him outside those 3 players at this stage in his career. Do you feel like fed at this best right now is a lock to beat any of those 3 anymore? it used to be a lock when he was on that nobody could touch him.

Re: rafa looking so so this tourny, fed looks so so vs rafa every time they play. Its a bad match up plain and simple and his record h2h indicates that. Now going thru both Rafa then Djoker or in reverse has been a near guaranteed failure over the past few seasons. I spoke incorrectly again, i meant to say he'd not have a sniff at winning having to have played both but as it is hes got an outside shot thanks to somebody else doing the dirty work for him.

I was quick to mock another poster as he referred to Krygios as a 19 year old qualifier, not qualifying that not all qualifiers are created equal. Talent and upside is taken into account into match ups. Anytime you want to sit down and talk tennis im game, ive grown up with tennis, I played sattelites, I know this game and I do have a business so I cant keep up with every detail on the pro tour these days but im still probably better versed on the goings on than the average fan as I still do some work with the national program. As for Murray being useless this season, well aware but ill take the better younger talent at this stage in that match up, dmitrov was no bad loss, hell of a player. Now again if you can follow along, I said he can get the odd upset but running the gauntlet of facing mutliples of any of those 3 is where he runs into trouble, he doesnt at this stage have the legs to go thru more than one of them so he needs help. When you need the draw to work for you instead of controlling your own fate, youre not an elite player anymore.

As for non grand slams not being important, does anyone give a shit about how many total titles fed has, or do they talk about his 17 slams? which win is he proudest of, the wimbledons or the season ending indoor masters series event...Grand slams are always most important, do you think hed trade in 20 regular tourny wins to win this wimbledon, you bet your ass. So yeah theyre not important theyre a paycheck, you play for slams as a tennis player. No players life is complete winning indian wells.
 

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oh ffs, I already talked about the sniffing the final comment, I lumped 2 thoughts together, was talking about him not being in the league of those guys anymore not that he'd play all 3, poor wording on my part but thats not an argument that theyre in the same league. To clarify yet again, I know Murray was not in his half of the draw. I rank him outside those 3 players at this stage in his career. Do you feel like fed at this best right now is a lock to beat any of those 3 anymore? it used to be a lock when he was on that nobody could touch him.

Re: rafa looking so so this tourny, fed looks so so vs rafa every time they play. Its a bad match up plain and simple and his record h2h indicates that. Now going thru both Rafa then Djoker or in reverse has been a near guaranteed failure over the past few seasons. I spoke incorrectly again, i meant to say he'd not have a sniff at winning having to have played both but as it is hes got an outside shot thanks to somebody else doing the dirty work for him.

I was quick to mock another poster as he referred to Krygios as a 19 year old qualifier, not qualifying that not all qualifiers are created equal. Talent and upside is taken into account into match ups. Anytime you want to sit down and talk tennis im game, ive grown up with tennis, I played sattelites, I know this game and I do have a business so I cant keep up with every detail on the pro tour these days but im still probably better versed on the goings on than the average fan as I still do some work with the national program. As for Murray being useless this season, well aware but ill take the better younger talent at this stage in that match up, dmitrov was no bad loss, hell of a player. Now again if you can follow along, I said he can get the odd upset but running the gauntlet of facing mutliples of any of those 3 is where he runs into trouble, he doesnt at this stage have the legs to go thru more than one of them so he needs help. When you need the draw to work for you instead of controlling your own fate, youre not an elite player anymore.

As for non grand slams not being important, does anyone give a shit about how many total titles fed has, or do they talk about his 17 slams? which win is he proudest of, the wimbledons or the season ending indoor masters series event...Grand slams are always most important, do you think hed trade in 20 regular tourny wins to win this wimbledon, you bet your ass. So yeah theyre not important theyre a paycheck, you play for slams as a tennis player. No players life is complete winning indian wells.



lol


he dispatched an 'elite player' in Andy Murray in straights today with a serving clinic at age 33




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last years final between Fed and Novak was insane. Sunday should be tremendous theatre. Fe d has faced 5 break points all tournament, seriously, WTF?

Fed ytd;

41-6 ....87%



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Roger been beat many times by Nadal.

Pete Sampras was the best in his era.....No doubt about it.
 
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Roger been beat many times by Nadal.

Pete Sampras was the best in his era.....No doubt about it.

Serena wins tomorrow right , your girl? I see no way she loses. This other girl is good but wimbledon final is different when serena lost to her 6-2 6-2 at the french open 2nd rd. I can not see serena losing
 

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