Execution Of Paul O'Neal By Chicago Police Officers....(Video)

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You know Mob, these type of threads I generally stay away from because it's always easy to say after watching a video what should or shouldn't have been done. Unless you're the one actually involved, with everything happening in real time, it's easy to 2nd guess the actions of the officers.

I'd say that if a vehicle is coming at me, I'd try and take cover first if available. If no cover, policy or not, I'm going to try and take the driver out. I don't agree with shooting at the vehicle once it's driving off, the same as one shouldn't at a fleeing suspect unless he's actively shooting at you.

You have to remember that the rounds have to go someplace. Can you live with yourself if one of those rounds hit someone walking on the sidewalk, or entered someone's home and killed someone? You have to be accountable fro every round fired.

I get the adrenaline rush, as I've been there many times. You get tunnel vision and you completely focus in on the suspect and nothing else. There are many interviews I've seen regarding officers and they stated that they thought they fired 3 or 4 rounds when in fact it was 15 to 20.

Again, as far as a weapon, one always assumes their is one until you know for sure there isn't. There are plenty of dead officers who assumed someone wasn't dangerous or that it was just a routine traffic stop. Just because there was no mention of a gun means nothing. I would always assume someone driving a stolen car was armed, always.

There are agencies that are allowed to shoot at a moving vehicle, but I would say most aren't. The problem with it is what if you do kill the driver. Where's the car going? That's one thing most people don't think about when it comes to this job, there are so many decisions that have to be made in an instant. Some people are good under stress, some aren't.
 

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I think you are 100% wrong. A car can be a deadly weapon under certain circumstances and anyone has the right and should be able to defend themselves if a person is going to run you over with a car.

In regards to the truck in Nice that killed a ton of people, do you think the cops shouldn't have been able to shoot the driver?

Well, like I stated earlier, most agencies prohibit firing at a moving vehicle. Of course there are always circumstances where it would be okay, but you better be able to justify it.

The Department of Public Safety however is one agency here in Texas that is able to take out a vehicle if needed.
 

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Let me add this though. When I say a moving vehicle, I'm talking about something like chasing a stolen car or something like that. You can't just drive up next to it and start firing. However, our DPS as mentioned above will do so if it's safe. If a vehicle is firing at you, of course you can shoot back. The incident in France was mentioned. Of course in a case like that you're going to take out the driver if it's possible.

Again, you're responsible for firing those rounds, so you better be sure of your surroundings.
 
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Very good stuff texasfan. Thanks for sharing man. Good insight and I can see where you are coming from.
 
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Everything happens fast though. But I've said in the past if someone tries to run me over with their car. I have a personal vendetta against them...it's not literally my occupation to keep level headed and think fast like it is theirs (the police). I could pull out my gun and shoot at them as they are taking off and I clip them in the back of the head I'm doing time.

The cops get paid to not have a personal vendetta so to speak. They get paid to protect the majority and serve yes, but really they get paid to think amazingly swiftly. And clearly the video shows none of that was done here.


And that's hard to predict and evaluate and even train? Wouldn't you say?
 

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+1 good insight Texasfan.

I'll add that there was an incident in Reno a few months ago, they had the streets closed down for a special event. Some nut job tried to go through the barricade though the police, to mow down all the people that were walking. When the car came at the barricade at full speed police open fired and killed the guy. In that case it saved lives.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/raul-...t-name-photos-video-van-shot-police-shooting/

I don't see how anyone can think it's okay shoot a fleeing suspect though without the force being justified. Running from police isn't justification.
 

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+1 good insight Texasfan.

I'll add that there was an incident in Reno a few months ago, they had the streets closed down for a special event. Some nut job tried to go through the barricade though the police, to mow down all the people that were walking. When the car came at the barricade at full speed police open fired and killed the guy. In that case it saved lives.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/raul-...t-name-photos-video-van-shot-police-shooting/

I don't see how anyone can think it's okay shoot a fleeing suspect though without the force being justified. Running from police isn't justification.

I agree. Like that case in South Carolina I believe where the officer shoot that guy in the back numerous times when he took off running. No justification and he should be in prison for life. He got frustrated, but the police have to be the one's who demonstrate self-control and act professional.
 

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