I think maybe it is time to implement VERY strict penalties for attempting to evade arrest. I say this because it is getting out of hand and putting cops lives, criminals lives and innocent citizens lives at risk when people think running from the police or fighting with the police is a good option. If we make it so running from the police or fighting with the police comes with heavier penalties than whatever you are running from them over, maybe THAT will make a difference. Most criminals don't have good parenting at home and aren't being taught how to react when faced with interaction with police. They are criminals, so their decision making is already bad. They are likely much more stupid than your average person. As such, we need make the decision very easy for them, for their own safety and the safety of others.
I don't know all the facts and none of us do. Cop shooting at the guy when he tries to run him over is totally in the right. If in any of the police murdered him on the run when he was no longer a threat then they are wrong. If you think cops have the right to kill someone who runs from them you are wrong too, they don't.
Did you read what I wrote? If you attempt to kill me and the cops arrest you, no I don't have the right to kill you after the fact. I have the right to defend myself in the act but not kill you after the fact. Do you really think that's the law and your right?
Another justifiable shooting based on the limited video that was released. Of course we never see the beginning of it but the criminals almost ran over the police. Attempted murder on a police office. I am fine with this. I am tired of thugs committing crimes, running away, endangering innocent people along the way. Tough shit, Fuck the family.
Mob makes a Monday appearance :toast:
The cops weren't very bright. Shooting across almost hits his partner. Talk about endangering.....if a bystander or someone in their home catches a stray bullet there... the more I think about it....the cops might of been in the wrong all the way through. of course the kid is in the wrong too. That goes without saying since he is the reason they are all there.
But maybe shooting at the car was not the best decision the more I think about it. I expected it yes, but maybe not the best move there.
You still have to think how difficult it is for one person to outrun police. Rarely ever do people get away. And never ever do they get away on foot. If the kid was all star track the helicopter would of still hunted him down because hiding isn't going to work when a shit load of foot cops are looking for you.
Cops took the easy way out. The dude had no gun. There was never gunshots fired at them to the point where they HAD to fire back. They chose to fire back. I still stand by the kid obviously wasn't trying to run the cop over. If you actually watch the video from an unbiased standpoint. There is no way you can say he intentionally tried to hit the cop with the car. The cop thought he had the suspect pinned but the suspect went to the only opening available as soon as the cop is getting out his car to draw his weapon. So it just really looks like that when clearly his intention was to get away. Or if he was in the mode of trying to kill cops. Don't you think he would of made sure he had a gun on him if hiss intention was to kill as many cops as possible? Every situation is different guys. He clearly just wanted the car and thought he could speed away in it. He was in the wrong, but they all were.
But maybe shooting at the car was not the best decision the more I think about it. I expected it yes, but maybe not the best move there.
You still have to think how difficult it is for one person to outrun police. Rarely ever do people get away. And never ever do they get away on foot. If the kid was all star track the helicopter would of still hunted him down because hiding isn't going to work when a shit load of foot cops are looking for you.
Cops took the easy way out. The dude had no gun. There was never gunshots fired at them to the point where they HAD to fire back. They chose to fire back. I still stand by the kid obviously wasn't trying to run the cop over. If you actually watch the video from an unbiased standpoint. There is no way you can say he intentionally tried to hit the cop with the car. The cop thought he had the suspect pinned but the suspect went to the only opening available as soon as the cop is getting out his car to draw his weapon. So it just really looks like that when clearly his intention was to get away. Or if he was in the mode of trying to kill cops. Don't you think he would of made sure he had a gun on him if hiss intention was to kill as many cops as possible? Every situation is different guys. He clearly just wanted the car and thought he could speed away in it. He was in the wrong, but they all were.
Plus if you are going to steal a car and try to get away....do you expect it to be a smooth ride if cops are on your tail? This stealing car shit is real. This isn't a new issue. There is noooooooooooo way cops weren't taught on these type of situations. Car thieves and how to prepare for them. And I guarantee getting out of your car and shooting at them is not protocol. Almost gettin hit or not.
Think about when you have to race to lay down spike strip . You know where he's headed so you maybe have a couple minutes to lay it down. What if the suspect swerves away from the spike stripes and almost hits the cop that laid them down?
For starters he is not trying to kill the cop, he's trying to get away. Every situation is a little bit different
You don't have the right to kill him afterward though.. Watch worlds wildest please chases and you'll see shit like that.
Think about when you have to race to lay down spike strip . You know where he's headed so you maybe have a couple minutes to lay it down. What if the suspect swerves away from the spike stripes and almost hits the cop that laid them down?
For starters he is not trying to kill the cop, he's trying to get away. Every situation is a little bit different
You don't have the right to kill him afterward though.. Watch worlds wildest please chases and you'll see shit like that.
At what point did the officers find out with 100% certainty, that the suspect did not have a gun?
Suspect was running from the cops, endangering innocent citizens everywhere, almost hits/runs over an officer.
Cops doing what they can to get these menaces off the street. Thankfully no kids where hit, or run over by this dumbass. Glad the cops stopped him
Suspect was running from the cops, endangering innocent citizens everywhere, almost hits/runs over an officer.
Cops doing what they can to get these menaces off the street. Thankfully no kids where hit, or run over by this dumbass. Glad the cops stopped him
It should be relayed from dispatch. If there's no report of a gun. Why assume that there is one?
A lot of these car companies have made it where you can't steal the car unless you have that electric key. So car jacking is prevalent now because people are having to stick their gun in your face to hand over that electric key. It wont start unless you have that.
So in those cases where there is a car jacking and the person who got robbed calls 911 saying I had a GUN stuck in my face. If that doesn't happen then cops should not assume the kid had a gun until they see one. It's broad day light, there's no excuses.
And of course after the murder, the cops say....."he shot back right?" Praying that he had a gun. That's not a good job. Lmao.
You always assume and take precautions when dealing with someone. Have you ever seen a call for service from a dispatcher? Sometimes there's very little info from whomever is calling it in.
If someone is driving a stolen car, I'm going to assume they're armed. On a traffic stop, no officer just strolls up to the car, or at least they shouldn't. You always assume someone is armed until you know they aren't. I can agree with a lot of what you've stated, but not regarding the gun.
Until an officer either pats you down or searches you, you must always assume they might have a weapon.
Regarding shooting at a moving vehicle, a lot of departments, mine included, prohibit officers from shooting at a moving vehicle. Of course that's all well and good, but there might be an instance where it's warranted.
Like the saying goes, "I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6."
Thanks for your input.
I was being informed recently on that part where you said a lot of police departments prohibit shooting at a moving vehicle. That should be the law because how do you know there isn't a victim in the car or a baby in the car? If you are going to assume that he has a gun then you should assume other things as well. Not just that he has a gun.
Ok maybe you don't know 100% if he has a gun. But there's no mention of it and it wasn't used. If it was used and the dude was fleeing a murder/car jacking. Then I 100% get it. Stop it before someone else gets hurt. But there's no report of that so deadly force is not necessary. The kids trying to flee in a stolen car.
This shit happens a lot.
Texasfan, based on your knowledge and experience what is it that you would have done different here from start to finish? Thanks
I think you are 100% wrong. A car can be a deadly weapon under certain circumstances and anyone has the right and should be able to defend themselves if a person is going to run you over with a car.
In regards to the truck in Nice that killed a ton of people, do you think the cops shouldn't have been able to shoot the driver?
