Can you read?
Because this goofy post would indicate, not really.
You understand that it is already within the law to ask these people questions, right? So your whole "did it occur to you ace" diatribe would be directed at people who write these regulations, not me.
Would it ever occur to you to wonder: why did the people in charge of this stuff mandate questions are asked?
I never said nobody would lie.
I never said it would work
I never said it was a good plan
People like you are as annoying as shit because you can do nothing but attack things nobody said.
Why do you go on the internet and type snazzy little keywords such as "strawman" to avoid earnest discussion of the facts of a situation Ace?
This isn't the first time you've misused that word on this forum Ace. I know because I had to google fuggin strawman some time back to understand what you were saying.
We actually may not, the two of us though, even be on opposing sides of anything here though Ace. Your post as "supportive" of a concept that would entail asking folks if they are Muslim as a means of preventing Fanatical Islamists into this country but I may have misunderstood the intent behind your post.
Our Leadership is the closest thing to an actual Zombie Apocalypse this planet has seen Ace.
That post of mine 2 up ^^^^ had an important word left out, was s'posed to read: "Your post READ as "supportive"....."
and not as "Your post as "supportive" as it came out. Freudian Slip there maybe, vital word left out changed the whole meaning to be like I just wanted you to call me, again, a Complete Moron. Leaving that word out though might actually qualify me as that...ironically enough.
Were you screaming that Jimmy Carter (someone you voted for) was just like Hitler when this happened?
Fourth, the Secretary of Treasury [State] and the Attorney General will invalidate all visas issued to Iranian citizens for future entry into the United States, effective today. We will not reissue visas, nor will we issue new visas, except for compelling and proven humanitarian reasons or where the national interest of our own country requires. This directive will be interpreted very strictly.
Also, On November 10th 1979 Carter orders 50,000 Iranian students in US to report to immigration office with view to deporting those in violation of their visas. On December 27 1979, US appeals court allows deportation of Iranian students found in violation.
Or do you get off on hyperbole?
Hey Guesser, I could post posters and slogans too! Your premise is that by excluding muslims we become like the Nazis, well Japan hasn't allowed nearly a single immigrant, let alone a muslim, in over half a century, so when pray tell do the Nazis' in Japan rise to power!?!?!
4. and reach the logical conclusion that everything will lead to Nazism!!
4. and reach the logical conclusion that everything will lead to Nazism!!
Let me spell it out in painstaking detail.
The US government already does things similar to what Trump is suggesting. Specifically, these people are already asked if they are or have been members of organizations that advocate the overthrow the US government, want to overthrow the government, or are subversives. Further, President Carter & President Obama have already done things that Trump is suggesting.
One can point this out and note that Trump's idea isn't "insane" yet not think there are problems with the idea or that it may not be the most effective course of action. However, Trump's idea is 5,000% better than both what America does today, and anything any Democrat suggests.
Does this help?
True, you did not say those things.
All the post did say was that the threat of prosecution and deportation would act as a deterrent to Muslims not being honest to questions asked.
The post read as Supportive of the policy cuz it implied you expected that a Court Date & potential deportation would actually work to deter people from lying, thats all.
You type posts that have 18 words when you have 44 words in mind Ace then expect me to ascertain the meaning of those 44 words you had in mind from the 18 that you typed. Misunderstandings are bound to happen in such circumstance Ace.
It might be also phdinsports, the explanation behind why the only points they seem capable of bringing to the table in debate of this matter is that comparison to The Nazis, that its what they've heard all their lives. "America is the Great Rescuer of The World" then the statue of Liberty and the constant drumbeat of how Racist is such a horrible despicable thing to be which is true of course, unless its Racism directed at White People, then its OK.
True also phdinsports they undoubtedly believe "That will never happen to me" because the media tells them that their chances of dying in a terrorist attack are the same as (fill in the blank with some thing thats unlikely to happen) so they're like:
"well, this is how I feel, like I need to project myself as a kind loving True American, I definitely really need to get that image out there, get others perceiving me as that and the odds of me or any one important to me getting hurt is pretty small so I'm gonna go ahead and do whats needed here to get me seen as a really really good hearted person."
Then a few months later they see this in a shopping mall or movie theater that they are at
and they are genuinely scared.
And rightly so phdinsports.
All anyone has suggested here is that there is reason to use caution when permitting people into our country who have pledged their absolute obedience to a religion that wants to kill us and that holds as it's most revered Prophet, it's most revered and worshiped figure, a man who raped a 9 year old girl and a MAN that if a person even draws a PICTURE OF they should die.
The comparisons they use phdinsports, past "Racist" stuff??? Those people (Jews etc.) assimilated into this country (at least to some degree) but those in question here will not because their faith prohibits this. Their Holy Book instructs that Islam is superior, those that do not adhere to Islam are inferior beings and whatever happens to Non-believers in Islam is alright. You can rape 'em you can kill 'em its all good.
They compare these people to The Jews, The Japanese etc but the bottom line these people bear no resemblance to those other peoples and the reality is that when they come here (and they will phdinsports) they are gonna scare the shit outta everybody
So thats just how its gonna be phd.
Those who founded this Nation split a bad situation to create America and now it is time to bail on this place because what we face here, with this, phd and also the priority of so many who live here amongst to play-act to the world that they are good and righteous people so's they can get as many "Brownie Points" as possible for themselves, get seen as such good and pure hearted "True Americans" even when that equates to them ricking their lives apparently.
But it probably won't happen to them.
Odds are pretty long phd.
What will happen though, to them is that they'll have to live with Barbaric 600 A.D. Stone Aged Savages as their neighbors, a group of people whose pedophile prophet calls for them to brutalize, and some Americans phd? When they are confronted with this and whats in them pictures above?
Folks ruminate about how The Man in The BlackHouse wants to create a Race War between American Blacks & Whites but they were it'd seem not seeing the Forest for the Trees on what his real wants were.
In addition to disarming the American People he'd like us to "Live In Peace" with these folks.
Just a coincidence I suppose that a disarmed American Populace + hundreds of thousands of Muslims that want to kill us, amongst that disarmed America = a potential for real and actual problems for those of us who live here and the fact that the guy who is president and is battling to take our guns and give us Muslims just happens to be of Muslim Heritage...
prolly just all a bunch of coincidences phd
The main reason they keep chanting their "just like the Nazis" mantra though phd is they cannot conceive of what might be and honestly phd?
I can't blame them for that.
Says the guy sitting on the beach in Paradise sippin' on GUAVA Juice.
What you call "Extremism", if that even exists here within this discussion, is borne of people's concern about their government threatening to permit members of a Death Cult into their country and people are concerned for their safety, that of their children and they are concerned for the safety of their friends.
And you chime in with this Bullshit Charade, declaring your Nobility.
Yet again, as phdinsports predicted would happen, you come and thus does another one venture in with the desire to play-act to the world that he is a good and noble righteous human being but with absolutely no facts whatsoever to bring to the discussion about why we should let the Death Cult in...just cliches designed to exhibit his Own Righteousness.
If the threat of this immigration were into Costa Rica maybe your act would be less enthusiastic.
I don't expect much of anyone here is gonna place stock in you instructing us, from some gorgeous beach 1000s of miles away from our country, how we should be thinking on this matter.
A country has the right to do whatever they wish.
Just this year...
China Bans Islam And Says It Does Not Give A Darn To All The Cry Babies Who Complain
by Walid Shoebat on June 30, 2015
When China banned Ramadan on its Turkic Muslim population, Muslims globally including much of the western media began to expose the issue with the typical game play of victimhood. In reality, in China, Muslims are allowed to pray, fast, and go to the mosques however with the restriction that they do not preach towards non-Islamic villages with the aim of spreading an Islamic revolution throughout China.
There is therefore some flexibility in terms of following the Islamic way of life despite the limited resources in terms of scholars and Islamic books that may be understood by locals. There are also Chinese imams who lead congregational prayers and there is room for Muslims to gather, break their fast together, and pray. Yet in recent years, there has been a rise in prohibitions with regards to fasting in some Muslim provinces where there are political unrest. In other words, in China, once Islam begins to start trouble, a ban on Islam is issued in the troubled zone. China is telling Muslims that if you want to fast Ramadan, it is fine, but if you want to push your revolution, then a Ramadan-ban is added as a bonus punishment.
In these troubled regions, China has added several bonus-punishments and banned all Muslim civil servants, Muslim students and Muslim teachers, especially in the Xinjiang province with a large Muslim population in the northwest, from fasting during Ramadan. In addition to the ban on fasting, China has ordered restaurants to stay open all day during Ramadan. “Food service workplaces will operate normal hours during Ramadan,” a notice posted on the website of the state Food and Drug Administration said. Even wearing the hijab in public, including on public transportation and when getting married in a religious ceremony, was banned in 2014, with fines of about $353 for wearing a hijab in public. In China’s Muslim trouble-making areas, prohibiting alcohol and smoking and eating halal food is considered radical behavior and is also banned. Wherever there is a Muslim revolution, there is a ban on Islam.
In reality, China is cracking down on Muslims who apply peer pressure and public scorn towards Muslims who decided to smoke or drink alcohol and many local shopkeepers had stopped selling alcohol and cigarettes since 2012 because they fear public scorn, while many locals had decided to abstain from drinking and smoking as a result of Sharia pushers. But the Chinese government says enough is enough, and it actually gives the freedom for the shopkeepers to carry cigarettes and alcohol which gives them the excuse to tell the Sharia mafia ‘sorry’ but that it is a government mandate to allow smoking.
This sends a message, you push your Islamic revolution on us and we will push back to say no Islam altogether. It is sort of like Russia, if the homosexual agenda tries to push its agenda on the public, then Russia does care what goes on your bedroom and expect a good dose of beating if caught practicing homosexuality.
And China doesn’t care about all the cry-babies complaining. China argues that in Hong Kong, for example, where Muslims cause no trouble, the Muslim in the community there do not only have the permissibility to practice religion but has the freedom to preach it and host lectures for the general public and is why China has rejected criticism over the fasting ban and says it faces a “terrorist threat” in Xinjiang, which officials blame on “religious extremism” for growing violence in the region. If one is in doubt that in China Muslims have freedom, they can read what Muslims themselves write about their freedom of religion in China and is why folks need to study instead of reading all the media hype about the game of victimhood and such.
If China’s ways are applied in the U.S., it will be the end of Dearborn including all the cry babies of victimhood from homosexuals including all the African Americans with a chip on their shoulder. The game of victimhood has risen sky-high in the U.S. since Obama was elected in office. It is strange to think that America is racist when the people twice elected an African American. It is also strange to believe that homosexuals just want to practice their sexuality and they do not have an agenda to push their lifestyle on children.
With all the hoopla about freedom of religion, try to have Dearborn decide that it is now a Muslim zone and is independant from Michigan and the entire U.S.
The Uyghur are separatists who claim that the region, which they refer to as East Turkestan, is not a part of China, but that the Soviet supported Second East Turkestan Republic which was incorporated by China in 1949 and has since been under Chinese occupation. The separatist movement is led by Turkic Islamist militant organizations, most notably the East Turkestan independence movement, against the national government in Beijing. This whole movement starts terror attacks and kill Chinese huns. Abdullah Mansour, leader of the Uyghur separatist movement wrote: “We have to conquer our own country and purify it of all infidels. Then, we should conquer the infidels’ countries and spread Islam. The infidels who are usurping our countries have announced war against Islam and Muslims, forcing Muslims to abandon Islam and change their beliefs.”
So while the media hypes up the so-called persecution of Muslim Chinese, Americans need to learn the difference between real persecution and the play of victimhood which they see in their back yards.
Turkey says it has conveyed “deep concerns” to China over reports that minority Chinese Uighur Muslims were being prevented from worship and fasting during the Muslim month of Ramadan.
In a mildly worded statement issued Tuesday, the Turkish Foreign Ministry said that the Turkish public was “saddened” by the reports and that Turkish concerns were relayed to the Chinese ambassador in Ankara. While Turkey has close cultural ties to the Uighurs but is also keen to maintain good relations with China.
Just this year...
China Bans Islam And Says It Does Not Give A Darn To All The Cry Babies Who Complain
by Walid Shoebat on June 30, 2015
When China banned Ramadan on its Turkic Muslim population, Muslims globally including much of the western media began to expose the issue with the typical game play of victimhood. In reality, in China, Muslims are allowed to pray, fast, and go to the mosques however with the restriction that they do not preach towards non-Islamic villages with the aim of spreading an Islamic revolution throughout China.
There is therefore some flexibility in terms of following the Islamic way of life despite the limited resources in terms of scholars and Islamic books that may be understood by locals. There are also Chinese imams who lead congregational prayers and there is room for Muslims to gather, break their fast together, and pray. Yet in recent years, there has been a rise in prohibitions with regards to fasting in some Muslim provinces where there are political unrest. In other words, in China, once Islam begins to start trouble, a ban on Islam is issued in the troubled zone. China is telling Muslims that if you want to fast Ramadan, it is fine, but if you want to push your revolution, then a Ramadan-ban is added as a bonus punishment.
In these troubled regions, China has added several bonus-punishments and banned all Muslim civil servants, Muslim students and Muslim teachers, especially in the Xinjiang province with a large Muslim population in the northwest, from fasting during Ramadan. In addition to the ban on fasting, China has ordered restaurants to stay open all day during Ramadan. “Food service workplaces will operate normal hours during Ramadan,” a notice posted on the website of the state Food and Drug Administration said. Even wearing the hijab in public, including on public transportation and when getting married in a religious ceremony, was banned in 2014, with fines of about $353 for wearing a hijab in public. In China’s Muslim trouble-making areas, prohibiting alcohol and smoking and eating halal food is considered radical behavior and is also banned. Wherever there is a Muslim revolution, there is a ban on Islam.
In reality, China is cracking down on Muslims who apply peer pressure and public scorn towards Muslims who decided to smoke or drink alcohol and many local shopkeepers had stopped selling alcohol and cigarettes since 2012 because they fear public scorn, while many locals had decided to abstain from drinking and smoking as a result of Sharia pushers. But the Chinese government says enough is enough, and it actually gives the freedom for the shopkeepers to carry cigarettes and alcohol which gives them the excuse to tell the Sharia mafia ‘sorry’ but that it is a government mandate to allow smoking.
This sends a message, you push your Islamic revolution on us and we will push back to say no Islam altogether. It is sort of like Russia, if the homosexual agenda tries to push its agenda on the public, then Russia does care what goes on your bedroom and expect a good dose of beating if caught practicing homosexuality.
And China doesn’t care about all the cry-babies complaining. China argues that in Hong Kong, for example, where Muslims cause no trouble, the Muslim in the community there do not only have the permissibility to practice religion but has the freedom to preach it and host lectures for the general public and is why China has rejected criticism over the fasting ban and says it faces a “terrorist threat” in Xinjiang, which officials blame on “religious extremism” for growing violence in the region. If one is in doubt that in China Muslims have freedom, they can read what Muslims themselves write about their freedom of religion in China and is why folks need to study instead of reading all the media hype about the game of victimhood and such.
If China’s ways are applied in the U.S., it will be the end of Dearborn including all the cry babies of victimhood from homosexuals including all the African Americans with a chip on their shoulder. The game of victimhood has risen sky-high in the U.S. since Obama was elected in office. It is strange to think that America is racist when the people twice elected an African American. It is also strange to believe that homosexuals just want to practice their sexuality and they do not have an agenda to push their lifestyle on children.
With all the hoopla about freedom of religion, try to have Dearborn decide that it is now a Muslim zone and is independant from Michigan and the entire U.S.
The Uyghur are separatists who claim that the region, which they refer to as East Turkestan, is not a part of China, but that the Soviet supported Second East Turkestan Republic which was incorporated by China in 1949 and has since been under Chinese occupation. The separatist movement is led by Turkic Islamist militant organizations, most notably the East Turkestan independence movement, against the national government in Beijing. This whole movement starts terror attacks and kill Chinese huns. Abdullah Mansour, leader of the Uyghur separatist movement wrote: “We have to conquer our own country and purify it of all infidels. Then, we should conquer the infidels’ countries and spread Islam. The infidels who are usurping our countries have announced war against Islam and Muslims, forcing Muslims to abandon Islam and change their beliefs.”
So while the media hypes up the so-called persecution of Muslim Chinese, Americans need to learn the difference between real persecution and the play of victimhood which they see in their back yards.
Turkey says it has conveyed “deep concerns” to China over reports that minority Chinese Uighur Muslims were being prevented from worship and fasting during the Muslim month of Ramadan.
In a mildly worded statement issued Tuesday, the Turkish Foreign Ministry said that the Turkish public was “saddened” by the reports and that Turkish concerns were relayed to the Chinese ambassador in Ankara. While Turkey has close cultural ties to the Uighurs but is also keen to maintain good relations with China.
One thing that must be considered within this situation Hache Man, in light of that ^^^ and other countries that have effectively dealt with this problem when we have every reason to suspect that the U.S.A will not succeed in dealing with the threat in a similar successful manner...that U.S.A. will instead allow this immigration (eventually) and what will be will be is...
...and this is not gonna be received well, not in the LEAST but it is an unfortunate fact and a reality...
with the disclaimer that I am not a Religious Person, do not adhere to the tenets of any Faith...
It is spelled out pretty clearly that "Mystery Babylon" will be destroyed and theres loads of evidence (some downright chilling) that U.S.A. is that "Mystery Babylon" thats described in....I think its The Book of Revelations....may be may not be...I personally don't care a great deal for War, Bloodhsed, Suffering, Cruelty and pointless conflict borne of dispute over whatever invisible dude in the sky one group or another worships so I don't pay a great deal of attention to the stuff but wherever it is in the book it is spelled out pretty clearly...
So here with have this Religion that wants to wipe US off the face of the Earth, a Holy Book used by "our own Religion" that says a place called "Mystery Babylon" will get wiped off the face of the Earth and our country has NUMEROUS traits (described in the Bible as traits the place has) that some very educated people say cause it to be the Best Candidate to be that "Mystery Babylon".
There are some "wisened scholars" on Religious matters and Biblical text in fact that say U.S.A. (due to some of the traits we have that correspond with those that it is described that Mystery Babylon has) is the only country that qualifies as a candidate to "be" that Mystery Babylon.
More than you can know Hache man I appreciate how distasteful it is to bring this to the discussion but in light of what you posted, the fact that other nations are handling this as they are compared to how U.S.A. will handle it (by eventually allowing the immigration), the realities of Islam and Jihad and these things combined with what is very clearly layed out within the text of the Bible makes this a consideration that to not mention this and give consideration to it in the context of this discussion would be remiss.
...and this is not gonna be received well, not in the LEAST but it is an unfortunate fact and a reality...
with the disclaimer that I am not a Religious Person, do not adhere to the tenets of any Faith...
It is spelled out pretty clearly that "Mystery Babylon" will be destroyed and theres loads of evidence (some downright chilling) that U.S.A. is that "Mystery Babylon" thats described in....I think its The Book of Revelations....may be may not be...I personally don't care a great deal for War, Bloodhsed, Suffering, Cruelty and pointless conflict borne of dispute over whatever invisible dude in the sky one group or another worships so I don't pay a great deal of attention to the stuff but wherever it is in the book it is spelled out pretty clearly...
So here with have this Religion that wants to wipe US off the face of the Earth, a Holy Book used by "our own Religion" that says a place called "Mystery Babylon" will get wiped off the face of the Earth and our country has NUMEROUS traits (described in the Bible as traits the place has) that some very educated people say cause it to be the Best Candidate to be that "Mystery Babylon".
There are some "wisened scholars" on Religious matters and Biblical text in fact that say U.S.A. (due to some of the traits we have that correspond with those that it is described that Mystery Babylon has) is the only country that qualifies as a candidate to "be" that Mystery Babylon.
More than you can know Hache man I appreciate how distasteful it is to bring this to the discussion but in light of what you posted, the fact that other nations are handling this as they are compared to how U.S.A. will handle it (by eventually allowing the immigration), the realities of Islam and Jihad and these things combined with what is very clearly layed out within the text of the Bible makes this a consideration that to not mention this and give consideration to it in the context of this discussion would be remiss.
