Do you buy Organic / Free Range /Grass Fed /No GMO's food

[RenoChazz]

When your corporate response is right out of the big tobacco 101 playbook then something is wrong. No labeling allowed, industry funded "studies", where have we seen this before?

There have been plenty of studies showing health improvements for people off of GMOs.

The Tobacco industries past, isn't evidence of GMO's being unsafe. That's basing your ideas in fear and a lack of trust. As far as the labeling thing goes, if there's no proof that it's unhealthy then forcing companies to label it as such, really isn't fair to those companies, and buys into the fear mongering.

Plus the free market works. There is a market for non-gmo foods and organic, and those companies are more than happy to voluntarily label their products to get your dollars. Do we really need a law to label non organic produce, when organic produce is already labeled?

 

[JustinCruise]

YES!!!!!!!

We just started doing this the past 6 months or so.

I can't even begin to explain how much better it makes you feel. I can work a 12 hour day, go straight to the gym for an hour, and still feel perfectly energized at the end of the day

 

[PatsFan1283]

The Tobacco industries past, isn't evidence of GMO's being unsafe. That's basing your ideas in fear and a lack of trust. As far as the labeling thing goes, if there's no proof that it's unhealthy then forcing companies to label it as such, really isn't fair to those companies, and buys into the fear mongering.

Plus the free market works. There is a market for non-gmo foods and organic, and those companies are more than happy to voluntarily label their products to get your dollars. Do we really need a law to label non organic produce, when organic produce is already labeled?

How is labeling food some bridge too far? Just label it, let people make their own decisions and conclusions.

Food is the most basic survival need we have. If you want the free-market to work then let all the information be out there in relation to the food, why would anyone be scared of labeling? I think sugar content should be labeled as well. Much more than I think GMOs should.

The more people know about where our food comes and how it is made, the better.

"Fear" is a bit much, I eat GMO foods all the time and said most anti-GMO stances are alarmist. Lack of trust is a no brainer though, what do you think they're spending 9 figures a year lobbying for? It isn't like there aren't credible anti-GMO opinions in the marketplace and it is just all some boogeyman conspiracy theory.

I think when Scott or myself says we don't trust GMOs, we don't mean all GMOs, we mean Montesanto, Dupont and big chemical companies. It isn't like we're truthers that made this up in our heads or something.

 

[RunLeeRun]

I'm no scientist so I can't really argue. I do know the majority of reputable scientist say they are safe, and I do know most of the anti-GMO stuff has been debunked as alarmism. I also brush my teeth with fluoride, vaccinate my children, and think climate change is real. Until there's hard science that says otherwise.

Scientists say they are safe to consume, but I'd counterpoint that by asking how much studying has actually been done? Nobody "knows" for sure at this point. We are just subjecting ourselves to a giant experiment. Perhaps they are harmless, perhaps not. Everybody "knows" that a high saturated fat diet causes increase risk of heart disease, except that we don't know. The study created to prove just that has yet to do so and it's in it's 3 GENERATION.....yes, 60+ years and no proof. Honestly it's hard to know what to believe anymore. So much of the research dollars come for the private sector and government. Conflicts of interest have to be common and as a researcher you want to make sure that you don't cut off your supply line of research money.

I brush my teeth with fluoride too, but thankfully my water supply doesn't have it. I'm not interested in testing out what are the consequences of pineal gland fluoride calcification.

Vaccines and the whole hormesis science are wonderful tools for human health. But the concern is the thimerosal, which contains mercury, and what effects that may have on neurotoxicity. Even the FDA claims it has pushed to reduce it from vaccines intended for children. There is no debate that mercury is toxic.

Climate change is real. In fact, climate is always changing and it's normal process for the Earth. I'm not sold on "global warming".

 

[PatsFan1283]

YES!!!!!!!

We just started doing this the past 6 months or so.

I can't even begin to explain how much better it makes you feel. I can work a 12 hour day, go straight to the gym for an hour, and still feel perfectly energized at the end of the day

How much more evidence do people need?

 

[RenoChazz]

How much more evidence do people need?

People should do what makes them feel good, but the placebo effect is a real thing. When people are sick and believe they will get better, it plays a huge role. Plus the majority of non-gmo foods are healthier due to are other content, like lower sodium, sugars, ect.

 

[RenoChazz]

Scientists say they are safe to consume, but I'd counterpoint that by asking how much studying has actually been done? Nobody "knows" for sure at this point. We are just subjecting ourselves to a giant experiment. Perhaps they are harmless, perhaps not. Everybody "knows" that a high saturated fat diet causes increase risk of heart disease, except that we don't know. The study created to prove just that has yet to do so and it's in it's 3 GENERATION.....yes, 60+ years and no proof. Honestly it's hard to know what to believe anymore. So much of the research dollars come for the private sector and government. Conflicts of interest have to be common and as a researcher you want to make sure that you don't cut off your supply line of research money.

I brush my teeth with fluoride too, but thankfully my water supply doesn't have it. I'm not interested in testing out what are the consequences of pineal gland fluoride calcification.

Vaccines and the whole hormesis science are wonderful tools for human health. But the concern is the thimerosal, which contains mercury, and what effects that may have on neurotoxicity. Even the FDA claims it has pushed to reduce it from vaccines intended for children. There is no debate that mercury is toxic.

Climate change is real. In fact, climate is always changing and it's normal process for the Earth. I'm not sold on "global warming".

Man kind has been genetically modifying foods for thousands of years to keep up with populations, so it's been one big experiment for a long time, that has been a huge benefit to fighting big problems like famine and disease due to malnutrition.

 

[HarryCaray]

i have a friend like this...
vegetarian .. cares so much about everything she puts in her body (haha) always at the gym
but smokes like a chimney...
WTF

Raichel?

 

[PatsFan1283]

People should do what makes them feel good, but the placebo effect is a real thing. When people are sick and believe they will get better, it plays a huge role. Plus the majority of non-gmo foods are healthier due to are other content, like lower sodium, sugars, ect.

Yes, the real issue is eat food and not food like products.

 

[Mr_Mark]

For me I usually buy both. If the organic foods look better I will get those, but sometimes its hard when its twice the price.

I do have small garden in my back yard and the produce from there is 100x better tasting than anything from the grocery store. I will share some of the tomatoes and chillies with my neighbor, who is a professor at the local college. We have some very deep thought conversations at least once a month. Our last good talk was about GMO food and he said to me "I will eat what the scientist eat. And I hear they only eat organic"

 

[RunLeeRun]

Man kind has been genetically modifying foods for thousands of years to keep up with populations, so it's been one big experiment for a long time, that has been a huge benefit to fighting big problems like famine and disease due to malnutrition.

I think you mean selective breeding. Not the same.

 

[RenoChazz]

I think you mean selective breeding. Not the same.

More than selective breeding, mixing breeds went on too. Most of GMO is the same stuff just done in lab. A lot of the scarier sounding experiments aren't even on the market. Original organic corn isn't even edible. The real point though is we have to innovate to keep up with populations. It's nice that we live in a country where we can choose, but without GMO foods we wouldn't have enough food to feed everyone. Disease from famine is far worse, than the so far insignificant differences.

 

[theDude24]

everyone should watch the movie "Fed Up"
it's fantastic

 

[PatsFan1283]

everyone should watch the movie "Fed Up"
it's fantastic

Yeah I've seen it. Narrated and produced by Katie Couric.

Fed Up is more about the sugar and processed foods as the main reason for health issues and obesity, rather than anything GMO related. Just eating real natural food rather than food like products.

Just labeling sugar content in food would help a lot.

 

[RenoChazz]

Yeah I've seen it. Narrated and produced by Katie Couric.

Fed Up is more about the sugar and processed foods as the main reason for health issues and obesity, rather than anything GMO related. Just eating real natural food rather than food like products.

And that's the real issue IMO. Coke could come out with GMO free version, and it wouldn't make it healthy.

 

[scottcarter]

scott,

I don't doubt your opinion and facts whatsoever.

It is just so hard for me to see the benefit of avoiding them and more importantly trying to eat 100% organic/natural/etc especially since many foods claiming to not contain "___", probably do, and many more are mislabeled to mislead consumers. It would be hard to prove you are 100% on board with actually eating the way you intend unless you run your own farm...


-murph

I am not sating you have to eat 100% organic. No doubt it would be better for you. GMO's are poison and Monsanto is maybe the worst corporation in the world. All I want, is to label food so that you can choose whether you want to eat poison (aka gmo's) or not.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Yeah it's a really good doc. Should be required to show all HS students or something like that.

Forks over Knives is pretty good too. Talks about the China Study....Tony Gonzalez read the book and credits it for extending his career.

 

[scottcarter]

this should make you sick

 

[scottcarter]

this should make you even more sick

 

[RenoChazz]

I agree that Monsanto is a shitty corporation, ran by crony capitalists, that lobby for laws that are favorable to them and prevent competition. I also like RT news, for their alternative views on things. But RT is run by the Russian government, and has a lot of bias. Reason.com is a far better alternative news source IMO.