Do You Believe Vitterd's Story about Becoming Financially Independent by Winning Poker Tournaments?

[vitterd]

Vitt sent his ub handle to me with a pm. I don't have the time or honestly the desire to look him up right now.

Just like the 10k wager I don't know what this proves other then he was a small player a long time ago.

Im really baffled at this pissing contest.

It seemed like something you needed to check something out.....just trying to do my part.

You seem only baffled by me pissing....the other people in the contest dont seem to matter to you.. GL though.

In that period of time i prob lost about 8-11k in 2 years on ub....just a guess though. prob in that area

 

[festeringZit]

It seemed like something you needed to check something out.....just trying to do my part.

You seem only baffled by me pissing....the other people in the contest dont seem to matter to you.. GL though.

In that period of time i prob lost about 8-11k in 2 years on ub....just a guess though. prob in that area

How did you lose so much? I've made a ton playing online poker, admittedly most of it back when there were a lot more donkeys at the tables...

I'm barely breaking even at 5 dimes the last couple months, though most of the players left playing are good players.

 

[vitterd]

How did you lose so much? I've made a ton playing online poker, admittedly most of it back when there were a lot more donkeys at the tables...

I'm barely breaking even at 5 dimes the last couple months, though most of the players left playing are good players.

in those 2 years at UB it was probably between 8-11k....some real bloodbaths.....i really think internet poker is setup for the donks to win. Because, although im liberal with everything....im conservative at poker. Obviously sometimes you have to be more aggressive and make moves but for the most part im conservative. The best hand almost never held up at UB.... A few of us noticed that in tourn and ring games.....when the money was all in....aces never would hold up against pocket 9's. Sounds strange but it was unreal how many times a 9 popped or a s8 was made around the 9. I started to feel something was not right there towards the end.

 

[CHOPTALK]

in those 2 years at UB it was probably between 8-11k....some real bloodbaths.....i really think internet poker is setup for the donks to win. Because, although im liberal with everything....im conservative at poker. Obviously sometimes you have to be more aggressive and make moves but for the most part im conservative. The best hand almost never held up at UB.... A few of us noticed that in tourn and ring games.....when the money was all in....aces never would hold up against pocket 9's. Sounds strange but it was unreal how many times a 9 popped or a s8 was made around the 9. I started to feel something was not right there towards the end.

The more you talk about poker the more you expose yourself. Your better off just staying silent. No reputable poker player would say half the things you just said.

 

[CHOPTALK]

I'm not trying to be personal. If you noticed I have never called you any names. I can go along with you that you probably have money. But for some reason you want to keep quite your real source of income and that's fine.But your poker angle is not holding up. You simply don't talk the talk. Series poker players would never say half the things you have said about poker.


I'm not trying to be mean. I have no clue why I even wasted so much time on this stupid subject. I feel like an idiot even posting in this thread. I don't even know how I somehow got sucked up into this meaningless drama for 3 days

 

[PatsFan1283]

in those 2 years at UB it was probably between 8-11k....some real bloodbaths.....i really think internet poker is setup for the donks to win. Because, although im liberal with everything....im conservative at poker. Obviously sometimes you have to be more aggressive and make moves but for the most part im conservative. The best hand almost never held up at UB.... A few of us noticed that in tourn and ring games.....when the money was all in....aces never would hold up against pocket 9's. Sounds strange but it was unreal how many times a 9 popped or a s8 was made around the 9. I started to feel something was not right there towards the end.

Cheating scandal/illegitimate practices aside, Online poker is way more of a meritorcracy than live as far as cream rising. Doesn't have much to do with this thread but still...

 

[hehateme82]

 

[festeringZit]

This cracked me up big time.

 

[vitterd]

I'm not trying to be personal. If you noticed I have never called you any names. I can go along with you that you probably have money. But for some reason you want to keep quite your real source of income and that's fine.But your poker angle is not holding up. You simply don't talk the talk. Series poker players would never say half the things you have said about poker.


I'm not trying to be mean. I have no clue why I even wasted so much time on this stupid subject. I feel like an idiot even posting in this thread. I don't even know how I somehow got sucked up into this meaningless drama for 3 days

All right. I had enough of your fucking stupid comments. No poker player would say internet poker is rigged? How many fucking cheating scandals do you need? You have zero clue what you're talking about. Zero.

You're right...you are wasting your time and mine. You cried that I wouldn't give you my poker handle, I do and then you don't have the time to check it out. I can talk poker all fucking day long...and because I don't have the same opinion as you "no serious poker player would say that"...you are fucking lost

 

[vitterd]

The more you talk about poker the more you expose yourself. Your better off just staying silent. No reputable poker player would say half the things you just said.

Reputable poker player? Are you fucking serious? You know how many dirtbags are in poker...pros even. Many that earned much more than me and say the same things about internt poker...many say much worse about fixed games and cheating scandals, software cheats...things are going on that you hve no idea about. Stick to other stuff...

 

[festeringZit]

in those 2 years at UB it was probably between 8-11k....some real bloodbaths.....i really think internet poker is setup for the donks to win. Because, although im liberal with everything....im conservative at poker. Obviously sometimes you have to be more aggressive and make moves but for the most part im conservative. The best hand almost never held up at UB.... A few of us noticed that in tourn and ring games.....when the money was all in....aces never would hold up against pocket 9's. Sounds strange but it was unreal how many times a 9 popped or a s8 was made around the 9. I started to feel something was not right there towards the end.

Someone getting access to a superuser account at a poker site to see hole cards is a different issue than "internet poker is setup for the donks to win."

Your latter statement is ridiculous. Do you think there are sections of the source code that somehow figure out the skill level of a player, and then if the software determines that the player is a donk, that it says, oooh let's give this guy some money? Ludicrous.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Reputable poker player? Are you fucking serious? You know how many dirtbags are in poker...pros even. Many that earned much more than me and say the same things about internt poker...many say much worse about fixed games and cheating scandals, software cheats...things are going on that you hve no idea about. Stick to other stuff...

Vitt I think your tangent is kindof irrelevant because I don't think Chop was referring to that aspect of online poker. I think he meant the part where you said "online poker seems setup for the bad players to win" Online poker is way more of a meritocracy than live when things are on the up and up for a # of reasons.

I think this is the statement you made that he found peculiar. I'm not sure what he meant by his statement that he doesn't think it adds up but you should've atleast let him elaborate before going in on him....

 

[vitterd]

Someone getting access to a superuser account at a poker site to see hole cards is a different issue than "internet poker is setup for the donks to win."

Your latter statement is ridiculous. Do you think there are sections of the source code that somehow figure out the skill level of a player, and then if the software determines that the player is a donk, that it says, oooh let's give this guy some money? Ludicrous.

Maybe my phrasing was wrong with that statement...I have seen some horrendous poker players make a large amount of money online. I'm basing on my experience. Many of those players get smashed in live settings. For me, I enjoy nothing more than sitting at a table with a bunch of online players...more often than not, a moneymake for me.

 

[vitterd]

Vitt I think your tangent is kindof irrelevant because I don't think Chop was referring to that aspect of online poker. I think he meant the part where you said "online poker seems setup for the bad players to win" Online poker is way more of a meritocracy than live when things are on the up and up for a # of reasons.

I think this is the statement you made that he found peculiar. I'm not sure what he meant by his statement that he doesn't think it adds up but you should've at least let him elaborate before going in on him....

getting a little tired of chops comments... like "im not insulting you or being mean" and then he goes on to insult me for several paragraphs.....enough already. Again, i prob phrased that the wrong way.....i cant believe some of the morons ive seen online who make a ton and donk it all off live.

Completely disagree about your comments about online as opposed to live.

 

[CHOPTALK]

All right. I had enough of your fucking stupid comments. No poker player would say internet poker is rigged? How many fucking cheating scandals do you need? You have zero clue what you're talking about. Zero.

You're right...you are wasting your time and mine. You cried that I wouldn't give you my poker handle, I do and then you don't have the time to check it out. I can talk poker all fucking day long...and because I don't have the same opinion as you "no serious poker player would say that"...you are fucking lost

You see this is the problem when you are not on the same level knowledge wise. When that happens you don't comprehend what I was telling you. I was not trying to imply that there has never been corruption with online poker. The ap/ub is a great example. Those were not the comments I took issue with. The comments I had an issue with we're things that every donk who has ever posted at 2+2 post.

They rig the software.
AA gets cracked everytime by99
You have to play more aggressive to fool the software into making it think your a donk.

These are all comments that a real poker player would never make excluding a situation like ap/ub.

But you are not even knowledgeable enough about this subject to even know how ignorant you sound about this subject

 

[PatsFan1283]

Maybe my phrasing was wrong with that statement...I have seen some horrendous poker players make a large amount of money online. I'm basing on my experience. Many of those players get smashed in live settings. For me, I enjoy nothing more than sitting at a table with a bunch of online players...more often than not, a moneymake for me.

Bad players have a way better shot to win live than line obviously. The # of hands being so much smaller makes variance far greater and helps bad live players a ton. This isn't even close and isn't a remotely unique opinion Vitt. I'm not trying to diss you but I do think that statement coupled with this statement right above here is probably what Chopp/Zit are speaking of.

 

[PatsFan1283]

getting a little tired of chops comments... like "im not insulting you or being mean" and then he goes on to insult me for several paragraphs.....enough already. Again, i prob phrased that the wrong way.....i cant believe some of the morons ive seen online who make a ton and donk it all off live.

Completely disagree about your comments about online as opposed to live.

What about it do you disagree with? Umm, playing 3-400 hands an hour > playing 40 hands an hour for good player, 40 hands an owner > 300 hands an hour for bad player. That is just the beginning of it as well, once you get to skill level it isn't even close. I don't really play poker (I used to some but just not into it, someday I might try to play more) but I have friends that are pros in both online and live tourney that are well known in the poker world and they would laugh at any type of "Live is harder than online" statement.

Again I like you Vitt, just disagreeing with a statement not indicting you or anything.

 

[vitterd]

Bad players have a way better shot to win live than line obviously. The # of hands being so much smaller makes variance far greater and helps bad live players a ton. This isn't even close and isn't a remotely unique opinion Vitt. I'm not trying to diss you but I do think that statement coupled with this statement right above here is probably what Chopp/Zit are speaking of.

I think it depends.....ive lost thousands online and won much more live. And of course the nitwits here are just gonna say , it's because i play bad......but i see it totally difft. Playing at the borgata .....im almost always at a table with quality players,....the quality of players per table online is putird.

 

[CHOPTALK]

I don't hate vitt either. He has had some good post in the past.
But he's wrong about this subject.

I keep waiting for him to tell us he does better against good players then he does against bad players
Thats always a favorite of mine

 

[vitterd]

What about it do you disagree with? Umm, playing 3-400 hands an hour > playing 40 hands an hour for good player, 40 hands an owner > 300 hands an hour for bad player. That is just the beginning of it as well, once you get to skill level it isn't even close. I don't really play poker (I used to some but just not into it, someday I might try to play more) but I have friends that are pros in both online and live tourney that are well known in the poker world and they would laugh at any type of "Live is harder than online" statement.

Im not saying "live is harder"....online you see thousands more hands and can build and lose bankroll quick....i also know plenty of pros....many now refuse online play....and will play only if staked....of course many of them do that with live events as well....but online has become very questuonable. Ive played both for years,,,and while there are morons everywhere.....i see way more onliine.