I wasn't diminishing the value of those disciplines. Just saying it isn't the skill-set that I prefer to watch. Seems like a lot of the new breed of strikers/non-wrestlers are getting better at TTD so more fights are being decided on their feet which is fine with me.
And again, he knocked out Jose Aldo in 10 seconds or whatever it was. I guess we can pretend that Aldo is washed up, but that probably isn't true.
I know a lot of people that won't watch mma bc of the "rolling on the ground" is boring to them, but like it or not, wrestling/submission grappling is the biggest component in being successful, and the wrestlers are taking over. People love KO's, so do I, but when in a fight, people hate guys that are good on the ground. My good buddy can go toe to toe with me in standup, but he quits when I secure a takedown. I've tried to teach him a proper whizzer, but he doesn't even want to learn because he says, "anything ground related is boring.." Well then practice the whizzer I'm trying to teach you and maybe you won't end up there as often...
That's actually a Bob Arum quote from a few years ago. I remember watching the interview, I forget what fight he was promoting. I think it was Cotto/Yuri Foreman in the Bronx.
http://deadspin.com/5357632/bob-arum-mma-is-nothing-but-skinheads-homosexuals
It seems like wrestlers are declining in significance really. Lawler/Conor/Werdum/Cruz are all champs without wrestling backgrounds. Thompson crushed Hendricks who is 1 of the top wrestlers.
I don't know if it is just cyclical but it seems easier to teach someone to atleast be able to defend a takedown than it does to teach them how to properly strike. Thus making striking the more elite skill in the future.
His coach believes him .......
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Well was fun while it lasted
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What do you think has made Thompson better? His wrestling and TDD. Ask him personally, I have, and seen him train. The guys done standup since he was 3 years old, and lack of wrestling cost him his only defeat.
Go go to a local show and see who's really on the up and up. You will see wrestlers and ground game dominate. I could get numerous local amateur and pros to come on here and state that wrestling is the key to their mma game getting better.
Go go to a local show and see who's really on the up and up. You will see wrestlers and ground game dominate. I could get numerous local amateur and pros to come on here and state that wrestling is the key to their mma game getting better.
I know it is the base needed to compete. I never said it wasn't. The point I was making was that as more and more guys are wrestling at a "B" level, then the top notch wrestlers can't just lay and pray to dominate as much. I.e Hendricks vs Thompson. Hendricks is not the type of guy I want to watch fight unless he is getting KO'd.
The skill isn't as much of a deciding factor in who wins.
Cruz has extensive wrestling training, although he's known for striking bc of his movement. That's the key.
dude, Robbie Lawler was an All-state wrestler in Iowa, the best state for wrestling, and started training in the 7th grade...he just happens to be one of the hardest hitting fighters also, with a rock for a jaw...
dude, Robbie Lawler was an All-state wrestler in Iowa, the best state for wrestling, and started training in the 7th grade...he just happens to be one of the hardest hitting fighters also, with a rock for a jaw...
Lawler bad example. He has been fighting for so long that I forgot his background. He doesn't really use wrestling in his fights much.
Cruz wrestled in HS but not college though. That really isn't that much of a pedigree compared to someone like Faber.
Why wouldn't most fans rather watch an elite kickboxer who is knocking guys out at lower weight classes like McGregor over someone like Frankie Edgar? Yeah, I realize if they fought it might not go great for McGregor because Edgar is more well rounded but McGregor's skillset is far more pleasing to watch and I enjoy watching him fight way more. A big reason his PPV #'s skyrocketed.
Cruz himself said his key to the TJ win was wrestling and TDD...
then you say Werdum. Well the guy was a BJJ/sub wrestling competitor forever, long before he even started MMA. Then we have Weidman and Rockhold (a BJJ black belt), who trains with Cormier for the wrestling. I can keep
going...
I tend to agree, but I'll take a legit wrestler/BJJ artist over a standup guy in a real life situation anyday...
But, TDD is wrestling. So is hand fighting, clinch work (well Thai too, which is the best standup IMO)
I wonder if ole Conor could've gotten popped for PEDs?
It's possible, although I think $$$$ marketing ploy more than anything.
Surely, Carvalho's death didn't have this big of an impact...
I expect that this is a publicity stunt. If Carvalho's death led to him deciding to retire, I would have expected a less cryptic statement from him about it. If this was for publicity, it worked- everybody and their brother is talking about his tweet.
It's possible, although I think $$$$ marketing ploy more than anything.
Surely, Carvalho's death didn't have this big of an impact...
I expect that this is a publicity stunt. If Carvalho's death led to him deciding to retire, I would have expected a less cryptic statement from him about it. If this was for publicity, it worked- everybody and their brother is talking about his tweet.
I think he is drinking at his home having a blast while everyone online is freaking out, Dana included... he is just a ball breaker. No way he retires and leaves all that $ hanging... I could believe this if he lost UFC200 against Diaz... he is busting our balls. Making people talk about him, he achieved what he wanted.
