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Jesus fucking Christ....this old fool actually thinks he's connecting dots. My oh my.
 

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In order to win the 16 election the Silent Majority must get off their collective lazy asses and vote.

I don’t care if Granny Meaningless pulls Obama like numbers with Blacks and Hispanics, it won’t matter.

Conservatives sat out the last 2 presidential elections in record numbers but came out with vengeance in 14 and we all saw the results.

It’s all up to them. Stay home and lose or get out and vote and win. Their choise.

I don't see the Silent Majority showing up if the GOP nominates another Dole, McCain or Romney.
 

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What's up Doc?

Hysterical. How many times are you gonna be wrong tonight?

only Walter actually doesn't know I'm mocking him by saying I'm doc mercer. Is it possible you're dumber than him? Mental mountain having a brutal night.
 

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First, the primary purpose of this forum is to discuss betting. Correct? (Not trying to be combative. Just making a simple observation.) For this reason alone, winning a bet is "more important" to me.

Second, I do not know who I will vote for at this point. Having said that, I am not for anybody that favors the uber-rich corporation. (Unfortunately that is what EVERY politician is.) I have very little faith in any side due to the rich puppeteers pulling the strings.

Third, politics follows in cycles. Mid-term elections often swing to the other side of the ruling party. Just the way it goes. For that reason, I wouldn't put a whole lot of weight on the fact that Republicans won the House and the Senate. As a matter of fact, if you look back at sections of the "cycle" that look like our last set of four years you will see that this past mid-term might indicate a Democratic takeover in the next set of elections. However none of us own a crystal ball and for that reason I will live by my favorite phrase, "ONLY TIME CAN TELL."

Four, I have never worried about my future being determined by any politician. One thing for sure is that I can guarantee this will never change. I have done pretty well with Bush in office, Clinton in office (actually really well but not because of him), W. Bush in office (really well (again) and definitely not because of him) and Obama in office (best of all due to the wonderful gains I have made with my investments, again, not because of him).

Lastly, I want to emphasize that I didn't come in here to be a nuisance or pick a side. I simply wanted to make a point that I think the Democrat will win the next election and there will be a lot of money to make. (I have always posted my plays in another forum but I will make a point to add them here when the time comes.)

Thanks for the conversation.

I can't remember the person's handle who routinely used this expression I highlighted several years ago. Are you him?
 

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Bernie gives the blueprint to have any shot against Hillary. Unfortunately for him, it won't work in the Dem Primary, but it CAN work in the National election, IF the R's are smart enough to nominate someone that independents can support, and stick to a no negative ad philosophy against Hillary, and take away her biggest strength, acting the victim. OR, they can do what this dolt in this thread does, stick to talking points that only help her.
[h=1]This Is Bernie Sanders' Plan to Beat Hillary Clinton[/h] And without any attack ads.
By David Corn | Fri Jun. 26, 2015 6:00 AM EDT

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This is Bernie Sanders' plan to beat Hillary Clinton


It's fortunate for Hillary Clinton that Sen. Bernie Sanders, the independent socialist from Vermont who is challenging her for the Democratic presidential nomination, despises and eschews negative advertising. That's because the political consulting firm that Sanders has retained to advise his campaign has a well-developed expertise in devising attack ads. Earlier this year, this outfit, Devine Mulvey Longabaugh [1], won [2] a Pollie award from the American Association of Political Consultants for creating the best Democratic congressional ad of 2014. The spot [3] slammed Dave Trott, a Republican running for a congressional seat in Michigan, for making millions of dollars by foreclosing on residents of his state, and it focused on the harrowing eviction of a 101-year-old Detroit woman. Trott survived this assault and handily won the seat in the Republican district, but the Washington Post called the commercial [4] "one of the most brutal attack ads you'll ever see."
The Sanders campaign has no plans to hurl these kinds of ads at Clinton. As Tad Devine, the veteran political operative who leads this firm and a longtime adviser to Sanders, notes, mudslinging is not part of the campaign strategy that Sanders and his advisers have crafted. There won't even be one speck of dust directly tossed at Clinton. But, Devine tells me, implicit negative messages aimed at Clinton will certainly be "embedded" in Sanders' advertising and social media messaging.



Sanders does have an overall plan on how to beat Clinton. As Devine explains, it goes something like this: Raise enough money to devote significant resources to building a full operation and maintaining a media presence in the early states of Iowa and New Hampshire, as well as Nevada and South Carolina. At the same time, develop a basic foundation for campaign organizations in other states, so if Sanders fares well in the initial contests, these preliminary outfits can quickly be built out. Devine and other Sanders advisers estimate they will need to raise $40-$50 million by the Iowa caucuses to be in such a position, and they claim Sanders is on track to hit that mark, mainly with thousands and thousands of low-dollar contributions. (Sanders has drawn crowds of thousands [5] at recent campaign events.) "I don't know if we can outright beat her in Iowa and New Hampshire," Devine says, "but we have a real shot at it in both places."
Sanders has survived and thrived in politics by neutralizing negative ads and resisting the urge to attack.
And when—or if—that happens, Devine figures, Sanders will have about a million contributors already on his side, and this group will enthusiastically kick in more money to replenish Sanders' coffers and fund the continuation of Bernie-mentum. "I worked for Walter Mondale in 1984," Devine recalls, "but I saw what Gary Hart did." Hart, a former senator who went up against Mondale in a bid for the Democratic presidential nomination, placed a surprising second in Iowa and won New Hampshire. "Things then moved fast. Some polls moved 50 points in seven days," Devine says. (Mondale, though, did end up squelching the Hart insurgency by exploiting the Democratic establishment in key states.)
If Sanders does score well in the early states, Devine insists, his campaign will have a delegate-accumulation strategy reminiscent of the one Barack Obama's 2008 campaign employed to focus as much on snagging delegates as winning caucuses and primaries. "Even if Clinton beats us in some states by 20 points, we can split the delegates with smart focusing," Devine says. And then Sanders will be in a position to make the case to the Democratic establishment that he can assemble an electorate in the general election that is favorable to Democrats (as Obama did in 2008). "We don't know yet what it will look like," Devine remarks. "We haven't done the strategic modeling yet. I've been trying to persuade Bernie we should do that." Instead, he says, Sanders at this point would rather concentrate on promoting his message: Inequality is killing the middle class, climate change must be addressed, big-money politics must be reformed, and new progressive policy ideas, such as free college tuition and expanded Social Security benefits, must be advanced. (Devine also gave Sanders a PowerPoint presentation on how the campaign can use Big Data methods: "He was impressed, but we're not sure we can scale up to that. We won't have $1 billion.")
And what about Clinton? How will Sanders take her on?
Sanders recently boasted [6] that he has "never run a negative ad," noting that he "hates and detests these 30-second negative ads." Devine says this is part of Sanders' DNA. "You need to know Bernie's history with negative ads to get this," Devine says. In 1988, when Sanders was the mayor of Burlington, Vermont, he ran for an open congressional seat as an independent and lost a close race to Republican Peter Smith. Two years later, Sanders was back to challenge Smith. In that 1990 race, Smith aired tough ads assailing Sanders, and Sanders' aides advised him to hit back. Instead, Sanders bought airtime for a five-minute spot in which he talked straight to the camera and decried the attack ads. (It didn't hurt Sanders that the National Rifle Association was slamming Smith for having voted for a ban on semi-automatic weapons.) Sanders ended up winning that race by 16 points. "This was his formative experience," says Devine. "Negative ads have to be denounced and jiu-jitsued."
"We have to present the differences in the ads without him coming across as part of the political system," says Tad Devine, Sanders' longtime strategist and ad man.
During his 1994 re-election race, Sanders had a close call. He won by only three points. He responded by doing what he swore he would never do: He hired a Washington consultant, Devine. But he told Devine he would stick to his no-negative-ads stance. In the next election, Sanders aired only positive spots and won by 22 points.
Ten years later, Sanders ran for the Senate, with Devine still advising him. His Republican opponent was a millionaire businessman named Rich Tarrant who dumped about $7 million into the race in a state where, Devine says, no candidate had ever spent more than $2 million on a campaign. "It was a vicious campaign against Bernie," Devine recalls. "He ran ads that accused [7] Bernie of supporting child molesters and terrorists. Chuck Schumer and Harry Reid were telling Bernie, 'You must respond.'" Sanders replied with an ad Devine had cut, in which Sanders noted he was being unfairly attacked and asked voters to visit his website to get the truth. Subsequent commercials by Sanders attempted to refute the stream of attack ads from Tarrant. The Sanders campaign also pushed an ad in which country singer Willie Nelson [8] endorsed Sanders and cited his work for family farmers. Sanders beat Tarrant by more than a 2-1 margin.
So Sanders has survived and thrived in politics by neutralizing negative ads and resisting the urge to attack. And part of his shtick is that he doesn't do conventional politics. So, Devine notes, he will not directly criticize or poke at Clinton. For sure, no personal attacks or cheap shots. "That won't help him," Devine says. "He rejects the status quo of politics." Sanders won't even do a straight-up contrast ad—as in, Bernie Sanders believes X about subject Y, but Hillary Clinton believes Z. "If we do that, we're done," Devine says. "If we do a classic comparative ad, it's over. We'll have to be smarter."
And Team Sanders does have what it considers to be a smarter way: implying a contrast. In previous campaigns, Devine says, "We have constantly embedded contrast in everything we do." One example: During the 2006 Senate race, Tarrant's residence became a political issue because he had claimed a Florida mansion as his home for tax purposes. Sanders ran a biographical ad in which he declared he worked in Washington and lived in Burlington—an indirect jab at Tarrant. In the campaign against Clinton, Devine notes, "There will be a lot of implicit negative. But it won't look negative. It won't feel negative."
That's how Sanders recently handled the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade pact [9]. He opposes the measure as a sop to corporate America and billionaires. Asked about Clinton's view—she has referred positively to this trade deal in the past but more recently has avoided stating a firm position—Sanders didn't proclaim that she's in bed with the 1 percent; he called on her [10] to take a clear stance. "It's not a question of watching this," he said. "You're going to have determine which side are you on." Devine points out that "this is not negative, but contrasting. When you offer voters a contrast on the issues, they don't take that as a negative." He adds that Sanders is "very good at this."
Contrast without attacking—that's the mantra. "As someone making the ads, it will be a difficult challenge," Devine says. "We have to present the differences in the ads without him coming across as part of the political system." Devine fears that if Sanders crosses that line, the Clinton campaign will fire back hard: "They have all the tonnage. We're dead."








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Hillary Clinton has done nothing but lie about all of this and her supporters simply do not care.
 

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^^^^Trey is not someone you want coming after you especially when you know you have done wrong. Could get very interesting.
 

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^^^^Trey is not someone you want coming after you especially when you know you have done wrong. Could get very interesting.
When trey finds nothing and gets laughed at.....what will you do then? When will you admit your Benghazi hunt has been as much as a failure as you connecting dots?
 

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[h=2]RNC Seeks Documents on Hillary Aide’s Special Work Deal at State[/h]SHARE
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Cheryl Mills on a State Department trip to Haiti / AP


BY: Alana Goodman
June 29, 2015 12:06 pm


The Republican National Committee filed a public records request on Friday for information about Hillary Clinton’s chief of staff’s simultaneous work at the State Department and in the private sector, including details on why this work arrangement was not previously disclosed by the agency.
The request follows a Washington Free Beacon report on Wednesday that Mills continued to work as general counsel for New York University, at the William J. Clinton Foundation, and on the board of the school’s UAE-funded Abu Dhabi campus during her first four months as Clinton’s chief of staff.
Mills was granted “special government employee” status by the State Department at the time, allowing her to work for private entities, the agency told the Free Beacon last week. However, the State Department did not disclose that Mills’ was a special government employee on a list of 2009 SGEs it released last year in response to a Freedom of Information Act request from ProPublica.
The RNC filed its own FOIA request, it was reported on Friday, asking for documents related to Mills’ special government employee status and why this information was omitted from the list received by ProPublica.
The RNC requested “all records, correspondence, and memos, in any and all formats, that mention, reference or relate to the selection, approval, status, and/or classification of Cheryl Mills as a special Government employee” in both 2009 and 2013.
It also asked for “any records that may exist about ProPublica’s FOIA and why Cheryl Mills’ 2009 special Government status was excluded from the State Department’s FOIA response.”
A State Department spokesperson declined to comment when the Free Beacon asked why Mills was not included on the 2009 list.
Mills was granted SGE status at the State Department for her first four months at the agency in 2009. During this time, she continued to serve as general counsel at New York University and on the board of NYU’s Abu Dhabi campus, which is funded by the UAE government.
While Mills was not paid directly for her work on the Abu Dhabi board, she earned $198,000 for her work at NYU.
The State Department initially told the Free Beacon that Mills did not start working as Clinton’s chief of staff until May 24, 2009. But internal State Department documents showed that Mills was identified as Clinton’s chief of staff months earlier, in diplomatic cables published by WikiLeaks and memos obtained through FOIA requests.
The State Department later said Mills was considered a special government employee between Jan. 22 and May 24, 2009.

 

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I can't remember the person's handle who routinely used this expression I highlighted several years ago. Are you him?

Definitely not me Scott. I have been around these forums for a little while but I have never been involved until now.
 

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I think it was DEAC who used to say every president was controlled by "stringpullers."
 

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Jesus fucking Christ....this old fool actually thinks he's connecting dots. My oh my.

SCARY, ain't it? We saw how skilled he was at "connecting the dots" in the LAST election, and you've got brainless dolts here still babbling about "The Silent Majority." They just don't get it...
 
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SCARY, ain't it? We saw how skilled he was at "connecting the dots" in the LAST election, and you've got brainless dolts here still babbling about "The Silent Majority." They just don't get it...

DuhhhhhFinch actually calling someone else brainless. Comedy Gold.
 

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DuhhhhhFinch actually calling someone else brainless. Comedy Gold.

Nope, more like when Festering Shit and his 25,000 posts does likewise-wonder if you'll make it to 30,000 without one cogent, accurate post, Scumbag.
 

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A college balks at Hillary Clinton’s fee, books Chelsea for $65,000 instead




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Chelsea Clinton, left, answered questions posed by former Kansas City mayor Kay Barnes during a paid appearance last year at the University of Missouri-Kansas City. (David Eulitt/The Kansas City Star)
By Philip Rucker and Rosalind S. Helderman June 30 at 11:52 AM
When the University of Missouri at Kansas City was looking for a celebrity speaker to headline its gala luncheon marking the opening of a women’s hall of fame, one of the names that came to mind was Hillary Rodham Clinton.
But when the former secretary of state’s representatives quoted a fee of $275,000, officials at the public university balked. “Yikes!” one e-mailed another.
So the school booked the next best option: her daughter, Chelsea.
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The university paid $65,000 for Chelsea Clinton’s brief appearance Feb. 24, 2014, a demonstration of the celebrity appeal and marketability that the former and possibly second-time first daughter employs on behalf of her mother’s presidential campaign and family’s global charitable empire.
More than 500 pages of e-mails, contracts and other internal documents obtained by The Washington Post from the university under Missouri public record laws detail the school’s long courtship of the Clintons.
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Chelsea Clinton, second from left, appears with her parents and husband, Marc Mezvinsky, at mother Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign kick-off rally June 13 in New York City. (Melina Mara/The Washington Post)
They also show the meticulous efforts by Chelsea Clinton’s image-makers to exert tight control over the visit, ranging from close editing of marketing materials and the introductory remarks of a high school student to limits on the amount of time she spent on campus.
The schedule she negotiated called for her to speak for 10 minutes, participate in a 20-minute, moderated question-and-answer session and spend a half-hour posing for pictures with VIPs offstage.
As with Hillary Clinton’s paid speeches at universities, Chelsea Clinton made no personal income from the appearance, her spokesman said, and directed her fee to the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation.
“Chelsea is grateful to have the opportunity to speak at events like this while also supporting the work of the Clinton Foundation,” said the spokesman, Kamyl Bazbaz. He said she was happy to “celebrate the legacy of women in their community.”
[How the Clintons went from ‘dead broke’ to rich through Bill’s speeches]
The e-mails show that the university initially inquired about Chelsea Clinton but her speaking agency indicated she was unlikely to do the speech. At that point, a university vice chancellor urged organizers to “shoot for the moon” and pursue the former secretary of state, who proved too expensive.
So the university turned back to others, eventually choosing Chelsea Clinton when the agency indicated she was willing. Just shy of her 34th birthday, Clinton commanded a higher fee than other prominent women speakers who were considered, including feminist icon Gloria Steinem ($30,000) and journalists Cokie Roberts ($40,000), Tina Brown ($50,000) and Lesley Stahl ($50,000), the records show.


 

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