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Not telling you to buy every book, but Harrington has some on tournament NL hold 'em and really does a great job.
 

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do you guys think it is important to know the percentages of outs like they show on tv? or is that just something they do FOR tv?
ive also never understood "pot odds" or "implied odds" or whatever its called. anyone care to briefly explain?
 

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do you guys think it is important to know the percentages of outs like they show on tv? or is that just something they do FOR tv?
ive also never understood "pot odds" or "implied odds" or whatever its called. anyone care to briefly explain?

Yea you should have a really good idea on the percentages .
 

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Yea you should have a really good idea on the percentages .

i guess i should have went deeper by saying, ive never understood or tried to learn how to use those percentages combined with how much money is in the pot. id assume that is a pretty important factor.

basically when i play, i drink a bunch of beer, talk shit and chunk money around. probably not a real good long term winning strategy
 

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Pot odds kinda hard to explain.
Basically means if there is enough money in the pot sometimes it's the right play to call a bet even if you have less then a 50% chance of winning .

Kinda like taking a big dog in baseball at +300. Even if you know you have less then a 50% chance of winning the bet if you think the team at +300 can win 35% of the time it's a good bet.

Im doimg a terrible job of explaining it maybe someone else can do a better job but that's the jist of it
 

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About twelve years ago, I decided to try to learn poker and see just how good I could get in a few (about six) months time. It was a real eye-opening experience. I learned a lot, and I would say I became a better-than-average player over that period of time. In the end, I decided not to continue playing, as I did not want to devote the time necessary to be really good. Here are a few things I learned:

1. Poker is THE most complicated and complex game I have ever tried to learn. There is a lot of math and a lot of thinking. You need an analytic mind to become a good player.
2. No matter how good you are, there is always more to learn, and there are always players better than you.
3. Try to play games/tournaments with players at your skill level online but also play some sessions with players that are better than you - you will learn a lot.
4. There is no substitute for experience - you MUST put in the time, and a lot of it, to get better. In the end, this was the reason I stopped playing.
5. Emotions play a part in this game - if you lose your cool and go on tilt, you are done. Everyone has bad beats - its part of the game.
6. For me, reading other players was the biggest challenge, and I never felt like I was really good at it. You MUST be able to develop the skill of reading players, running through their possible hands in your head, and narrowing down the best ways to play against the other players at given tables and in given situations.

Good luck to you !
 
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It is very much possible to use a similar recipe / "basic strategy" that would be profitable at vast majority of cash games. Would take only a few minutes to learn, not a few weeks and would be possible to beat pro players. It wouldn't work once your opponents figured it out, but will take at least a few hours for that to happen -- and possibly not at all

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1. buy in for close to minimum
2. fold everything except qq, kk, aa, and ak
3. when you do get one of those hands push half your stack in and hope there are callers
4. if you get to see a flop, push the rest of your stack in no matter what cards come up
5. if you you win, walk away; if you lose, either walk away or buy in again, your choice

Anyone can follow those steps and it will be profitable in just about any 1-2 or 1-3 casino game. Against pros you'll be an underdog, but you would need to be very skilled to be able to come up with a game that gives you a better chance

This is complete bullshit.

For one thing, citing the game I played all last week, $2/$3 blinds NL, buyin for $50 -> $300. You could easily go 8-10 rounds and not see any of those hands, and be blinded off the table. I've gone many hours without seeing any of those hands. And, say you wait 4 rounds to get one of those hands, you've now got ~$25 which you push 1/2 your stack, you're only raising to 4 BB. ROFL.

To say that strategy is profitable "at vast majority of cash games" is ridiculous.
 
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This is complete bullshit.

For one thing, citing the game I played all last week, $2/$3 blinds NL, buyin for $50 -> $300. You could easily go 8-10 rounds and not see any of those hands, and be blinded off the table. I've gone many hours without seeing any of those hands. And, say you wait 4 rounds to get one of those hands, you've now got ~$25 which you push 1/2 your stack, you're only raising to 4 BB. ROFL.

To say that strategy is profitable "at vast majority of cash games" is ridiculous.

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Pretty much
 

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It is very much possible to use a similar recipe / "basic strategy" that would be profitable at vast majority of cash games. Would take only a few minutes to learn, not a few weeks and would be possible to beat pro players. It wouldn't work once your opponents figured it out, but will take at least a few hours for that to happen -- and possibly not at all

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1. buy in for close to minimum
2. fold everything except qq, kk, aa, and ak
3. when you do get one of those hands push half your stack in and hope there are callers
4. if you get to see a flop, push the rest of your stack in no matter what cards come up
5. if you you win, walk away; if you lose, either walk away or buy in again, your choice

Anyone can follow those steps and it will be profitable in just about any 1-2 or 1-3 casino game. Against pros you'll be an underdog, but you would need to be very skilled to be able to come up with a game that gives you a better chance

single WORST post I have seen in my short time here.
 

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Poker is boring as fuck. After an hour or so, I'm ready to get the hell out of there and do something else.

Learn how to play craps instead
 

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Poker is boring as fuck. After an hour or so, I'm ready to get the hell out of there and do something else.

Learn how to play craps instead

Love playing craps, problem is it is POSSIBLE to win at poker, IMPOSSIBLE to win at craps over the long run
 
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Love playing craps, problem is it is POSSIBLE to win at poker, IMPOSSIBLE to win at craps over the long run

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I like your style KingEleven... learn to play craps lol

craps always -EV, roulette always -EV... blackjack with 6 decks always -EV

poker if you have a clue +EV
 

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It is very much possible to use a similar recipe / "basic strategy" that would be profitable at vast majority of cash games. Would take only a few minutes to learn, not a few weeks and would be possible to beat pro players. It wouldn't work once your opponents figured it out, but will take at least a few hours for that to happen -- and possibly not at all

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1. buy in for close to minimum
2. fold everything except qq, kk, aa, and ak
3. when you do get one of those hands push half your stack in and hope there are callers
4. if you get to see a flop, push the rest of your stack in no matter what cards come up
5. if you you win, walk away; if you lose, either walk away or buy in again, your choice

Anyone can follow those steps and it will be profitable in just about any 1-2 or 1-3 casino game. Against pros you'll be an underdog, but you would need to be very skilled to be able to come up with a game that gives you a better chance

This may KIND OF work SOMETIMES against your normal 1/3 tardos, but OP stated these games are tough and filled with pro-level players. There is literally 0.0% chance this strategy would be long-term profitable against good players.

And by "kind of work sometimes" I mean you may net a profit over a reasonable sample, but it is still FAR from optimal vs the tardo players against which it may be marginally profitable.
 

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i guess i should have went deeper by saying, ive never understood or tried to learn how to use those percentages combined with how much money is in the pot. id assume that is a pretty important factor.

it's the single most important factor in being successful, right up there with hand reading and bankroll management.
 

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This may KIND OF work SOMETIMES against your normal 1/3 tardos, but OP stated these games are tough and filled with pro-level players. There is literally 0.0% chance this strategy would be long-term profitable against good players.

And by "kind of work sometimes" I mean you may net a profit over a reasonable sample, but it is still FAR from optimal vs the tardo players against which it may be marginally profitable.


Like FZ said, the first problem is you'd blind out too often.

Secondly, you are just leaving too much money on the table. So you're folding JJ and AQ on the button in an unopened pot? You're folding your big blind with KQs against a button open min-raise? Yeah, seems optimal...

Thirdly, anyone who has played a few sessions with you will pick up on this and realize you're only raising premiums, and will just snap fold every time you open. You'll never get action, and you WILL blind out in a few hours.
 

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it's the single most important factor in being successful, right up there with hand reading and bankroll management.

yeah, i could see where playing small stakes online would help in learning/practicing this. may try that before i go join these other all night sessions being played around here
 

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