Bill Belichick & Patriots to part ways after season.

[SheriffJoe]

All spot on....except the last part.

Belli will be staying in Boston. At least my money says so.

Whan the Pats get another high level QB, an O line, and a couple of receivers, they'll be right back in the hunt.

Well, you can't train a pug to be a guard dog, so I suggest the Patriot brass start scouring for their next diamond in the rough. Good luck! Tom Brady, drafted 199th overall.

As for Belichick, he's a BIG GAME coach who looks...well, disinterested. The fire isn't out, but it's smoldering.

No better opportunity for the GOAT to rejuvenate his career and pile on the hardware and rings than taking Josh Allen under his wing and teaching the NFL's MVP the critical intricacies of the game.

Surely, the GOAT has to recognize this.

Belichick needs Allen as much as Allen needs Belichick.

BB + JA = SB. Multiple Super Bowls.

 

[Avocado33]

Well, you can't train a pug to be a guard dog, so I suggest the Patriot brass start scouring for their next diamond in the rough. Good luck! Tom Brady, drafted 199th overall.

As for Belichick, he's a BIG GAME coach who looks...well, disinterested. The fire isn't out, but it's smoldering.

No better opportunity for the GOAT to rejuvenate his career and pile on the hardware and rings than taking Josh Allen under his wing and teaching the NFL's MVP the critical intricacies of the game.

Surely, the GOAT has to recognize this.

Belichick needs Allen as much as Allen needs Belichick.

BB + JA = SB. Multiple Super Bowls.

Doubt Belichick would go to Buffalo. Doesn't want to be part of that organizational mess and cap situation

Maybe Belichick goes to Tampa like Brady, where at last they have a clean cap and an easy division with a veteran QB. Then we can really compare Tom and Bill lol

 

[Willie99]

If Belichick is coaching and chasing the record, I have a hard time believing Kraft lets that happen anywhere but NE

Patriots lost 7 games by less than one score. They had a mentally challenged QB and a rookie PK who's bad play directly led to many of those losses

They still had one of the best defenses in the league, despite not receiving any help from the offense

It's not that hard to turn that around

 

[SheriffJoe]

It's not that hard to turn that around

Actually, it is.

You need that stud QB to win at the highest level or you'll be spinning your wheels forever no matter who the coach is.

Belichick, Reid, Lombardi...doesn't matter.

As a Pats fan, you're just spoiled.

 

[phdinsports]

A lot of homers in this thread! The guys a joke, can't win shit without Brady, the refs, and taping the teams plays. Mcdermott hid his playbook and made him look like a fool! Only time in history all drives led to tds!! Horrible record without the golden boy! Great coaches should be able to win with other quarterbacks. He need to go back to taping teams plays.

 

[SheriffJoe]

Doubt Belichick would go to Buffalo. Doesn't want to be part of that organizational mess and cap situation

Maybe Belichick goes to Tampa like Brady, where at last they have a clean cap and an easy division with a veteran QB. Then we can really compare Tom and Bill lol

You're a smart guy (well, except when it comes to your irrational cheerleading for the Bungels and hate for the Bills LOL)..

You realize comparing "Tom and Bill" is retarded, right?

Like comparing a stud racehorse vs the equestrian. The horse is.. "better"? Huh? Apples to oranges....

Ridiculous!

Or, an FI driver vs. Team Ferrari.

Or, twinsies in figure skating (you can tell by these clumsy cheesy analogies I'm a big fan of these sports LOL)

If one screws up, the other loses. You need BOTH firing on all cylinders in perfect sync.

That's what made "Tom and Bill" so complimentary, dominant and rare. Although "Bill and Peyton" would have been just as GOAT'ish.

Just as "Bill and Josh" would light up the NFL.

 

[Avocado33]

You're a smart guy (well, except when it comes to your irrational cheerleading for the Bungels and hate for the Bills LOL)..

You realize comparing "Tom and Bill" is retarded, right?

Like comparing a stud racehorse vs the equestrian. The horse is.. "better"? Huh? Apples to oranges....

Ridiculous!

Or, an FI driver vs. Team Ferrari.

Or, twinsies in figure skating (you can tell by these clumsy cheesy analogies I'm a big fan of these sports LOL)

If one screws up, the other loses. You need BOTH firing on all cylinders in perfect sync.

That's what made "Tom and Bill" so complimentary, dominant and rare. Although "Bill and Peyton" would have been just as GOAT'ish.

Just as "Bill and Josh" would light up the NFL.

I was kinda saying the Tampa stuff as a joke, though I do think it could be a better situation than Buffalo

I am of the mindset that Bill and Brady were a great match together, and that there were other elements within the organization that helped propel them outside of just them too

I do not think Bill and Josh Allen would be a good match. It's a different situation within the organization as well. Buffalo today is not run nearly as well as New England was during their two-decade dynasty . Nowhere near it

Allen is going to be a huge cap hit next year, the team is not well-functioned as is and is going to be more restricted next year.

Bill would not walk into that situation

 

[Avocado33]

If Belichick is coaching and chasing the record, I have a hard time believing Kraft lets that happen anywhere but NE

Patriots lost 7 games by less than one score. They had a mentally challenged QB and a rookie PK who's bad play directly led to many of those losses

They still had one of the best defenses in the league, despite not receiving any help from the offense

It's not that hard to turn that around

The record is definitely a strong argument that he is going to continue coaching, though I could see it happening elsewhere.

The Patriots being in close games is a testament to their defense and coaching -- Bill still has his fast ball working. They are more than a QB and kicker upgrade from being in any kind of meaningful contention though. They have a lot of issues personnel wise offensively, mainly at their skill positions. They need upgrades across the board -- QB, WR, RB. That's a lot of important pieces to improve upon.

If a Justin Herbert type went to New England, then I think that would substantially increase the chances of Bill staying. I don't think Bill wants a new project at QB and to participate in a more substantial rebuild - which is the direction the Patriots may go. And you have to think parting ways with Bill amicably is part of that plan

My guess is that New England is going to try and do a more significant rebuild and draft a QB, and that Bill is going to be done in New England after this year.

Not rooting for that outcome, just think that's what we are looking at.

 

[Avocado33]

You're a smart guy (well, except when it comes to your irrational cheerleading for the Bungels and hate for the Bills LOL)..

I don't hate the Bills. I just think they've been overvalued for a significant period of time now. They're just an easy target -- especially in comparisons to my team-- hence why I target them more often than most teams.

My Bengals cheerleading is not irrational. We all have biases of some sort, but like it or not my predictions regarding them have largely been accurate.

I never have predicted them to win the Super Bowl or even make it. I'm 7-0 picking against the spread in their playoff games these last two years; that means I have faded them (against Ravens and Chiefs last year).

I know the Bengals well, and I have had them pegged well. I can't help that they were undervalued and went 21-3 against the spread over a recent period of time-- 2000's Patriots like stuff

That has nothing to do with my fandom. Those are just facts.

 

[Seymour]

On the same level - how many games has Popovich won this year?

 

[phdinsports]

The first three titles were based on a running game and defense. Brady was a great game manager, and a winner. Part of Belichick's franchise

Brady became an elite passing QB in 2007, the year they went 18-1

The last Super Bowl they won was 13-3 over the Rams. I'm going to suggest that wasn't because of Brady. Sean McVay talked about how badly he was schooled by Belichick

Every player who played in New England talks about his unparalleled game preparation. Except for a couple of malcontents that were simply undeciplined

When the Patriots beat the Falcons, that was all on Tom Brady. Every other SB win had a strong defensive effort.

Brady also helped in another way, he played for far below market value, enabling the Patriots to sign more talented players.

Belichick has 8 rings. Time certainly did it's thing

Huh? Their rushing offense was actually better in their last 3 super bowl awards as opposed to their first 3. They ranked in the top ten rushing twice in their last three bowls and only once in their first 3. Their rushing offense scoring outranked their passing scoring twice in their last 3 bowls and only once in their first 3. Actually their rushing offense was anemic in their early run save for 2004, when they got Corey Dillon.

 

[phdinsports]

On the same level - how many games has Popovich won this year?

Another all-time great!

 

[Willie99]

Huh? Their rushing offense was actually better in their last 3 super bowl awards as opposed to their first 3. They ranked in the top ten rushing twice in their last three bowls and only once in their first 3. Their rushing offense scoring outranked their passing scoring twice in their last 3 bowls and only once in their first 3. Actually their rushing offense was anemic in their early run save for 2004, when they got Corey Dillon.

On the same level - how many games has Popovich won this year?

Basketball is 5 man star driven game

Totally different animals my friend

How about them huskies

 

[Willie99]

A lot of homers in this thread! The guys a joke, can't win shit without Brady, the refs, and taping the teams plays. Mcdermott hid his playbook and made him look like a fool! Only time in history all drives led to tds!! Horrible record without the golden boy! Great coaches should be able to win with other quarterbacks. He need to go back to taping teams plays.

Damn. You're silly.

 

[SheriffJoe]

I was kinda saying the Tampa stuff as a joke, though I do think it could be a better situation than Buffalo

I am of the mindset that Bill and Brady were a great match together, and that there were other elements within the organization that helped propel them outside of just them too

I do not think Bill and Josh Allen would be a good match. It's a different situation within the organization as well. Buffalo today is not run nearly as well as New England was during their two-decade dynasty . Nowhere near it

Allen is going to be a huge cap hit next year, the team is not well-functioned as is and is going to be more restricted next year.

Bill would not walk into that situation

If rumors are true that Kraft and Belichick are indeed parting ways (a lot of smoke on this one), there will be no shortage of suitors lined up for him.

He's a winner. Period. Offense, defense, special teams, kicking game... Belichick's dynasty Pats always exceled when it mattered most at every position, not just QB.

The Bills short-term cap crunch can be summed up with two names: Von Miller (disaster signing) and Stefon Diggs for another year. Allen's next-gen QB contract is what it is, still millions less than Mahomes, JoeyB, Hurts etc.

As for all the dysfunctional antics surrounding this team, all of that lies at the feet of the coach who lost control years ago. The neverending player drama on social media; the Damar Hamlin BS; players so chummy with some assistant coaches they bought them extravagant gifts like trucks; their HC using the 9/11 hijackers as an example of "team work" and "determination" in a rah-rah locker room speech.

Gong Show.

One doesn't even need to analyze the comedy of errors on the field from all the 4th quarter meltdowns to see why this team never breaks through They will ill prepared for the Bengals last year in the playoffs, despite every advantage on paper, so kudos to you for exploiting that.

And yet...they were 13-3 a year ago and often look dominating with Josh Allen. He's that good.

All of those distracting antics stop cold when Bill Belichick walks into the room. Those who refuse to buy in will be shipped out. As you say, the Pats were first class on and off the field for two decades.

Money isn't a issue, Pegula's pockets are deep. Simply hand the GOAT a checkbook and ask him to fill in the numbers. Done deal.

 

[Greenbacks]

On the same level - how many games has Popovich won this year?

18 game losing streak
Overrated boosie coach

 

[phdinsports]

Damn. You're silly.

Nothing silly, just facts. He's never won shit and will never win shit without the Golden Boy!

 

[Willie99]

Actually, it is.

You need that stud QB to win at the highest level or you'll be spinning your wheels forever no matter who the coach is.

Belichick, Reid, Lombardi...doesn't matter.

As a Pats fan, you're just spoiled.

I'm talking about having a winning season, not a dynasty

 

[Michelangelo]

Nothing silly, just facts. He's never won shit and will never win shit without the Golden Boy!

Damn you're silly. Did someone already say that?

You've been hating on Belli and the Patriots for years. Get over it. How many offers do you think Belli will get if he leaves the Patriots? Trust me when I say it will be a record number. He is the GOAT coach for all the football world except you.

 

[Willie99]

Nothing silly, just facts. He's never won shit and will never win shit without the Golden Boy!

Listen paisano, I don't think you're a silly man, but your hatred for Belichick and the Patriots is

Talking to you about the Patriots is akin to talking about X-Hole about the virus, theRx Squad about the vaccine, Seymour about UConn or duuuuuhfeces about Trump

It's just not worth it



PS: and I love Seymour