BCN sports hanging bad lines??

[TheMajor+]

ya ever since you threatened to hack the site. Shame on me.

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I love going back and forth with everyone, but I am swamped with work so I really gotta go.

Take care everyone, remember, read the rules and if there are rules that you will not agree to, dont send you money. It is that simple.

 

[peteep]

Pet, the way most books rules are written, they do not even need a bad line to cancel the bet. They can cancel it for any reason. The rule sucks, there is no question. But, it is a rule.

That's true, but it is a rule that should be used only when appropriate. In this case, it was not applied appropriately, therefore BCS looks shady. Not sure why you're defending them(well, I guess we kinda do . Within their rights....I suppose because they have a "rule", but it doesn't make it right.

 

[D2bets]

Hey man, if your new position is that "rules dont count anymore"...well... not much I can do to argue that.

I figured you would take that stance after reading Pinnacles rule. It is worse than BCN's. All books have it and USE IT.

Will you still be taking out your money as promised?



Pet, the way most books rules are written, they do not even need a bad line to cancel the bet. They can cancel it for any reason. The rule sucks, there is no question. But, it is a rule.

Yes, my aguement here is twofold.

1. A book cannot "refuse" a wager that has already been "accepted. It is illogical.

2. The rule is unenforceable due to unconscisonability. If this were saubject to American rule of law, I would win that argument in court. I guarantee it.

All books use it? Bullshit. All books void wagers due to "bad lines", but all books do not void wagers for no reason whatsoever "without explaining why such action was taken". Please detail or cite me an instance where Pinnacle has done this. I don't believe it. Again, I know they void for "bad lines", but they don't void for no reason whatsoever. And you know it.

Again, if there is something more to this story, then fine, but if BCN cancelled this reason simply because it felt like doing so then that is unacceptable and I find it disturbing that a so-called watchdog would thing otherwise, "rule" or no rule.

 

[mls]

This line was off a WHOLE 10% ... come on guys ...

NO reputable book would cancel this bet. Period. "Obvious mistake" - give me a break ...

Sorry sir, the line should have been 5 but we mistakenly gave you an extra 10% at 5 1/2 ... we e-mailed you and cancelled it (i.e., we were too heavy on that side so decided to cancel as many bets as possible) ...

Sorry sir, the line should have been +120 but we mistakenly gave you an extra 10% at +132 ... we e-mailed you and cancelled it . You never received the e-mail? ... well, we sent it ... gee, tough luck there guy. Sorry but we will not pay you the $2000 we owe ... guess we lucked out huh?

I would hope some of the reputable sportsbook monitoring services put BCN on the black list or no-pay list where they belong.

In any event it sounds like BCN is going under anyway ... you cheat a customer for $200 it is a huge red flag ... is anyone really going to post up with this company which needs $200 so badly (this deal smells, is not even close to legit, but even to those ridiculous defenders here, this is shady business practice to say the least) ...

Only one more foolish than BCN would be me (or anyone else) that posts up with these guys ...

 

[TheMajor+]

Peteep, good post.

The reason I am defending them is for the very reason I would be defending you if they did not pay you by breaking a rule. Lets say that you hit a 10 team parlay and the payout is supposed to be 1000-1 ACCORDING TO THEIR RULES. Then they said to you, "ya but its not fair, I know we have a rule but we arent gonna follow it.

Thats why.

Rules are the only thing we as players have to go by in this unregulated business. If you feel that they are wrong. Dont post up with them.

Never under any circumstances expect the book to do the "right" thing given a choice. That is few and far between , somewhere around the teacup ride at disney I suspect. Just like books never expect the players to do the right thing. It is what it is.

Be well

Russ

 

[TheGeneral+]

In all honesty guys, I think this could have been settled peacefully as I was able to get the parties talking today, but something went on in a conversation that didn't go over to well. I am not sure exactly what transpired, but I will say this. Had this issue been dealt with patience, I have no doubt we could have found a happy ending, but now, it looks to be dead in the water maybe.

What does the book have to lose now? They have already been thrown to the wolves here.

Posters, use this as an example when you have a dispute. Seek mediation and do not rush it. If you contact me, then let me work. It usually does not get settled with a blink of the eye. Compromise and mediation may require a little time. I had not told the player the case was closed before he ran to the forum.

 

[D2bets]

Peteep, good post.

Never under any circumstances expect the book to do the "right" thing given a choice.

Russ

Well then that is the problem -- "given a choice". You are trying to give them the choice. If you, Ken, SBR, I and everyone else around says "No, that is unacceptable, period. You cannot do that" Then ya know what -- they won't do it. How bout that concept! That's what's called being a watchdog. Need any more lessons you know who to ask. That was just a little free advice. Don't thank me.

 

[D2bets]

In all honesty guys, I think this could have been settled peacefully as I was able to get the parties talking today, but something went on in a conversation that didn't go over to well. I am not sure exactly what transpired, but I will say this. Had this issue been dealt with patience, I have no doubt we could have found a happy ending, but now, it looks to be dead in the water maybe.

What does the book have to lose now? They have already been thrown to the wolves here.

Posters, use this as an example when you have a dispute. Seek mediation and do not rush it. If you contact me, then let me work. It usually does not get settled with a blink of the eye. Compromise and mediation may require a little time. I had not told the player the case was closed before he ran to the forum.

Yeah, it probably was't in his best interests but it sure was in everybody else's best interests as we now know BCN is gutter trash. Let this serve as a warning to any other book who tries to pull unacceptable BS like this. (assuming what has been written is true, of course -- if BCN has something we should know -- let's hear it).

 

[TheMajor+]

Wonderful post General. I have my suspicions why he would not wait for you to mediate this and make up a fake name here to post it. But I am a bit jadded these days.

BTW let me know where else I can slam 20 cent moneylines that are at 260 and above.

 

[Noreaga+]

Major, I see you have come over here to join the rest of your posters.

 

[pokerface2]

D2bets, that is absolutely right. The refusal of a bet does not apply here. Anyone that can read and debate with an open mind would understand this. After reading the MAJORS comments he looks to have the biggest agenda on this thread now as he doesnt even debate the issues, just says what he has to say and turns a deaf ear. Also alot of his comments can be proven false which would not give much credibility to him if he even had some in the first place, i dont know.

The general has the facts, and has my prior emails to this thread. One of which i proposed a solution and ended by saying I would go to the forums with the problem if a solution was not obtained. BCN first became aware of my last resort to go to the forums from an email I sent to the general, I assume the general sent it to them as I never sent them anything or threatened anything on the phone with them.

So in the end, it looks like it is going to turn out like I expected. A bunch of free opinions of which the majority at this point agree that the wager did not fall into the rule of an obvious bad line and the consequential cancellation. I suspect BCN will just let this all air out and go on with business as usual. Thanks again general for all the help ive read about you doing for others and everything youve attempted for me here. Also, thanks to anyone who has given positive advice on how to continue with resolving this matter if that is even possible.

 

[kermit16]

I rarely get my 2 cents worth in these type of posts but this one seems to surprise me by the Posters that are supporting the sportsbooks actions overall. First off, i disagree with the Poster that the sportsbook has the obligation to call him if they are canceling his wager. That's a no no in my opinion. An e-mail is the proper manner. However, a wager should only be canceled when there is an obvious bad line. a + 240 instead of a + 220 is very marginal bad line.
Let's all look at it this way. What if my best bet of the day was Patriots -7 and it was -7 -130 but by shopping I found a -7 -120. So I bet it at the -120 and head off to play golf or whatever was on my agenda for that day. Not all of us babysit every single wager and sit by our computer all day. Some of us actually have a life. So when I get home that evening I find a e-mail that says my wager was canceled. Is this fair ? If the sportsbook had posted a + 7 by mistake of course I would know when I left for my golf date that most likely my wager would be canceled but this so called bad line was very marginal and the sportsbook BCN should have honored this acceptd wager and perhaps instructed it's employees to be more careful. Very bad public relations policy IMHO

 

[TOW]

Pokerface2,

I fully agree with The General that you have gone public too soon despite his initial advise, without giving anyone the time to mediate the case.

From a mere rule perspective the book hasn't done anything wrong, since the manager on duty immediately voided the bet and gave you due notice at the time you place your wager over the net .

However we ( myself, Russ and Ken ) also see your point and ( despite of the opinion you may have formed about Russ who has simply highlighted the book's perspective while in fact trying to coordinate a joint effort amongst watchdog sites to mediate the situation ) we have been reaching out for BCN managers all afternoon.

We have proposed BCN to reistate the bet and honor a +220, which seems to be a very honorable solution to the three of us.

BCN has told us they will let us know their final decision first thing in morning. We do hope our mediation will be succesfull and all parties involved will find satisfaction tomorrow.

Thank you.

Roberto
TOW

 

[JudgeWapner]

Sounds fair.

 

[peteep]

Good stuff TOW. Hopefully it all works out.

 

[THE SHRINK]

pokerface2,

I have discussed your situation with The General, Russ, and Roberto. After talking with ROBERTO just an hour ago, he assured me that he would do everything in his power to help you get paid...

Both Russ and The General have also been working very hard behind the scene to assist you.

I believe that because of everyone's effort to do the RIGHT THING, you will be satisfied with BCN'S FINAL decision which should come tomorrow...

I also think you should receive PLUS $2.20 back on your wager, even though as RUSS pointed out, BCN did everything they had to do according to their rules, which are clear about this type of circumstance...

However, when it comes time to decide between the LETTER OF THE LAW vs. THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW, I am cautiously optimistic that you will be getting paid.

I will be glad to hold a conference call with BCN, Roberto, Russ and The General tomorrow if you wish my further assistance....

THE SHRINK

 

[D2bets]

Srhink, are we going to get an explanation of what happened here in the first place? They cancelled a +240 because they wanted +220. Say it ain't so! :WTF:

 

[kidslick]

<HR style="COLOR: #fdde82" SIZE=1> <!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->Major, I see you have come over here to join the rest of your posters.

funny noreaga..but i believe the majority of posters here at the rx,also post at majorwager..



hopefully we see a happy ending .........

 

[trytrytry]

reserves the right to refuse any wager(s), at any time, from any client without explaining why such action has been taken.

note the "at any time". According to this they did not even have to notify you D2bets. Was nice of them to do that

my point is this. The book did nothing wrong in this case. They were doing something that they had in thier own published rules.

My strong suggestion is that in the future there can be no sportsbook with a banner here or across the street with a rule that is spelled out like that. now welcome if you have a rule clause like that one.

Instead there is a sports forum definition on a misline put together by respected mods, players, and industry leaders that defines a misline (clear as a bell definition). yes its hard, yes its could be a different law for each sport but so what define it. Then there is no grey areas. Both the players and sportsbooks can then know the situation.

 

[sherman]

This is the greatest thread ever. I really enjoyed reading all these posts. :monkey:
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