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I think it's foolish to say Obama deserves all the credit for getting OBL

I think it's also foolish to say Obama signing off on the operation that resulted in the death of OBL accomplished nothing. Of course it accomplished something!
 

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Putin may be fuck but he's a far better leader than the one we have.

Dave the reason they are called Chechen "Separatists" is because Putin believes Russia owns everything it can reach. If Putin were our president we'd have "terrorists" from Vancouver attacking us after Putin raped and pillaged it (It was not always a radical Muslim issue like it is now).
 

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Killing OBL was certainly retribution. But to pretend it was some crowning achievement to me makes no sense. What Bush said about him was entirely accurate.
 

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Ace I guess it's a matter of opinion. Probably won't lower the number of those who want to emulate their hero by much. But at least it delivers a message that if you kill or intend to kill Americans our forces will hunt you down. And look how the hermit was living in hiding, despite that he was still able to get instructions out via courier.
 

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And Guesser the lying sewer rat aligns himself with Duhhhhfinch and Akphidelt who has been exposed as a pathological liar and a troll.

Comedy Gold.
Actually I don't align myself with anyone. Unlike you, I think for myself. But I'd certainly rather be aligned with them, and most anyone else in here, than a disgusting lying Muslim hating, gay Hating coward such as yourself.
 

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Scott L,

Killing OBL was certainly retribution. But to pretend it was some crowning achievement to me makes no sense. What Bush said about him was entirely accurate.

Laughable. Bush was too incompetent to find him, let alone kill him. If you don't think getting the mastermind behind 9-11 wasn't a crowning achievement, you have let your blind hatred of Obama get in the way of reality.
 

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The senior Bush's thoughts are outlined in "A World Transformed," published well before his son became president. After Desert Storm, the nation was deeply split over whether Bush was right to bring the troops home while leaving Saddam's regime intact.
Although the political context of the region at the time was different from what the incumbent President Bush faced in 2003, the father's predictions about a post-Iraq war situation were eerily prescient.


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Actually, they weren't "prescient" at all.

By no measure did the US suffer "major casualties" and in fact, there was exactly nobody that predicted the US would dispatch the 2nd largest military in the region in 3 weeks flat.

Again, these posts are embarrassingly stupid.

What's embarrassingly stupid, is thinking over 1 thousand deaths in a needless, ongoing war wasn't "major casualties". Disgusting. I suppose an idiot like you thinks when Bush said "Mission Accomplished", it meant the war was over. What a a maroon!!!:pointer:
 

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"preventable attack"

One of the dumbest things I've seen here (today)

You can't name a single thing President Bush could have done, that you would have supported at the time, to prevent the 9-11 attacks.

The suggestion that Bush "lied" about WMD's is laughable and preposterous.

This post is full of silly bullshit that dumb people believe.

What idiocy. Bush ignored warning signs of an attack. Read the 9-11 commission report. Read some of Richard Clarke's writings. Bush failed to keep the Nation Homeland safe, and 3000 people died. There Were no Iraqi WMD's.
 

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Laughable. Bush was too incompetent to find him, let alone kill him. If you don't think getting the mastermind behind 9-11 wasn't a crowning achievement, you have let your blind hatred of Obama get in the way of reality.

Presidents don't "find" anyone. What they do is put the policies and structures into place (many which the left vehemently disagreed with at the time - the irony) which allow a mission like this to be successful. Bush always said "we'll get him"...and he was right.

Obama didn't do or change anything when it came to the hunt for Bin Laden. Those efforts/networks were already in place...that is, if you believe the official "story".

Anyway, Obama didn't even create Seal Team 6, Bush-Cheney did. However...

Your clown VP deserves ALL the credit for blowing their cover and putting their lives in danger.

So there you go, congratulations! At least Obama can take credit for something - selecting the dumbest VP ever! :hammerit
 

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Laughable. Bush was too incompetent to find him, let alone kill him. If you don't think getting the mastermind behind 9-11 wasn't a crowning achievement, you have let your blind hatred of Obama get in the way of reality.

Guesser please tamp down the rhetoric. I know you wanna praise Obama and blast Bush but seriously, come on! The president has NOTHING to do with the apprehension of terrorists around the world. The president approves or nixes certain missions and programs etc. but it is our military that executes these operations.

Let me give you a present-day example. At this moment, right now 1/21/14 at 7:14 PM US military personnel are meeting, or have already forged a plan as to what action they will take to evacuate our athletes from Russia in the event of a terrorist attack. Bet your bottom dollar plans, and contingency plans are in place. Now let's say the worst happens, Sochi goes BOOM. And then something even worse happens, our military botches the rescue operation. Is Obama fully to blame? Of course not!
 

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Guesser please tamp down the rhetoric. I know you wanna praise Obama and blast Bush but seriously, come on! The president has NOTHING to do with the apprehension of terrorists around the world. The president approves or nixes certain missions and programs etc. but it is our military that executes these operations.

Let me give you a present-day example. At this moment, right now 1/21/14 at 7:14 PM US military personnel are meeting, or have already forged a plan as to what action they will take to evacuate our athletes from Russia in the event of a terrorist attack. Bet your bottom dollar plans, and contingency plans are in place. Now let's say the worst happens, Sochi goes BOOM. And then something even worse happens, our military botches the rescue operation. Is Obama fully to blame? Of course not!

The President made the final decision whether to go ahead with the mission or not. Gates called it the most courageous decision he's seen a President make. That cannot/should not be minimized. Because he sure would have been blamed if it was botched, like Carter was with his Iran rescue plot. That's why it's the big chair. Of course they aren't Rambo, doing the deed themselves. IF Sochi goes Boom, I can assure you Putin will be taking the heat.
 

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The President made the final decision whether to go ahead with the mission or not. Gates called it the most courageous decision he's seen a President make. That cannot/should not be minimized. Because he sure would have been blamed if it was botched, like Carter was with his Iran rescue plot. That's why it's the big chair. Of course they aren't Rambo, doing the deed themselves. IF Sochi goes Boom, I can assure you Putin will be taking the heat.

You're being quite selective in your responses TG. I wasn't talking about Putin. I was talking about a rescue operation after something horrible occurred going sideways. You also keep repeating this Gate's snippet, disregarding that his book was a lot bigger than that and largely critical of Obama. I never said it wasn't a bold decision. I don't even think I criticized Obama in this thread at all, although I may have said his foreign policy has been a failure.
 

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You're being quite selective in your responses TG. I wasn't talking about Putin. I was talking about a rescue operation after something horrible occurred going sideways. You also keep repeating this Gate's snippet, disregarding that his book was a lot bigger than that and largely critical of Obama. I never said it wasn't a bold decision. I don't even think I criticized Obama in this thread at all, although I may have said his foreign policy has been a failure.

If Obama calls for a Military rescue of our athletes in Sochi, if G-D forbid something happens, and it fails, I can assure you he will take MAJOR Heat. Gates's book actually was quite praiseworthy of Obama throughout. I guess it goes to what slanted part of the media you want to believe. But not the point, we are only talking about the successful OBL mission here.
 

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Laughable. Bush was too incompetent to find him, let alone kill him. If you don't think getting the mastermind behind 9-11 wasn't a crowning achievement, you have let your blind hatred of Obama get in the way of reality.

So in other words, there really is no reason why it was "crowning" other than well, because.

That's about what I'd expect.
 

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Bush-Cheney created Seal Team 6 and the intel networks that eventually found and killed OBL, but Guesser thinks Captain Kenya is the hero because his predecessor "couldn't find him" lol face)(*^%

This is borderline fratfraud stupid.

I'd love to say I expected more from him, but this is someone who spends his time ghost chasing one poster while blindly calling another a 'pedophile' simply because they don't agree with him politically, so I'm hardly surprised.
 

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What's embarrassingly stupid, is thinking over 1 thousand deaths in a needless, ongoing war wasn't "major casualties". Disgusting. I suppose an idiot like you thinks when Bush said "Mission Accomplished", it meant the war was over. What a a maroon!!!

Of course you can't name an example of a war where 1,000 people dying would be "major causaulties"

Again, this dipshittedness is about what I expected.
 

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What idiocy. Bush ignored warning signs of an attack. Read the 9-11 commission report. Read some of Richard Clarke's writings. Bush failed to keep the Nation Homeland safe, and 3000 people died. There Were no Iraqi WMD's.

Bush didn't "ignore" any warnings.

Again, you can't name a single thing Bush would have done at the time that you would have supported at the time.

Your posts are so vacuous and frankly, embarrassing.
 

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Bush-Cheney created Seal Team 6 and the intel networks that eventually found and killed OBL, but Guesser thinks Captain Kenya is the hero because his predecessor "couldn't find him" lol face)(*^%

What is even better is the intelligence that led to Bin Laden was gathered in part by water-boarding.
 

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