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No, actually Bush 41 made the mistake of not finishing the job. We wouldn't be having this debate about the second Iraq invasion. We were at Saddam's doorstep.

You're right. It wouldn't have been in Israel's best interest to kill Assad. But while the world's organized bodies of Jew bashers would have stammered about it they'd be cheering under their breath.

Looks like we're at an impasse. Philosophically you and I just disagree.

Sorry about your SF result. You deserved a better outcome.

Pappy Bush did finish the job. Of Punishing Saddam for attacking Kuwait. That was his only job, and he was smart enough to realize it. He knew the horrible error and costs of going further. A smart man, an excellent President.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Published on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 by the Associated Press [/FONT]​
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Bush's Father Foresaw Costs of Iraq War [/FONT]​
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]by George Gedda[/FONT]​
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] WASHINGTON - Not many people foresaw the postwar difficulties the administration has endured in Iraq. Of the few who did, two stand out, both lions of the Republican Party.
One was President George H.W. Bush. The other was his secretary of state, James A. Baker.
"Incalculable human and political costs" would have been the result, the senior Bush has said, if his administration had pushed all the way to Baghdad and sought to overthrow Saddam Hussein after the U.S.-led coalition ousted the Iraqi army from Kuwait during the Persian Gulf war in 1991.
"We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect rule Iraq," Bush wrote. "The coalition would have instantly collapsed. ... Going in and thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations mandate would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression we hoped to establish.
"Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different — and perhaps barren — outcome."
The senior Bush's thoughts are outlined in "A World Transformed," published well before his son became president. After Desert Storm, the nation was deeply split over whether Bush was right to bring the troops home while leaving Saddam's regime intact.
Although the political context of the region at the time was different from what the incumbent President Bush faced in 2003, the father's predictions about a post-Iraq war situation were eerily prescient.
Baker had a similar view on the perils of a regime change policy in Iraq after Desert Storm.
In a September 1996 opinion piece, he said, "Iraqi soldiers and civilians could be expected to resist an enemy seizure of their own country with a ferocity not previously demonstrated on the battlefield in Kuwait.
"Even if Hussein were captured and his regime toppled, U.S. forces would still have been confronted with the specter of a military occupation of indefinite duration to pacify the country and sustain a new government in power.
"Removing him from power might well have plunged Iraq into civil war, sucking U.S. forces in to preserve order. Had we elected to march on Baghdad, our forces might still be there."
Seven years after Baker wrote those words, in 2003, the political situation in the region had changed dramatically. As the incumbent administration saw it, Saddam had systematically ignored for 12 years U.N. Security Council demands that he eliminate his weapons of mass destruction.
Also, the administration believed, perhaps wrongly, that Saddam had reconstituted weapons programs that had been uncovered and destroyed since 1991.
So the Iraq war that former President Bush chose not to fight in 1991 was carried out by his son in 2003, and cast by the current President Bush as part of the global war on terrorism that had begun with the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks 18 months earlier.
Saddam was perceived — at least by the current President Bush — as a far greater menace in 2003 than he had been in 1991 when the senior Bush was content with liberating Kuwait and foregoing regime change in Baghdad.
The current President Bush undoubtedly was warned about the possibility of heavy U.S. troop casualties in the 2003 war. But one wonders whether those warnings were as clear-sighted as those of Baker when he wrote about the perils of ousting Saddam militarily.
If that had been the policy in 1991, Baker said, it "would certainly have resulted in substantially greater casualties to American forces than (Desert Storm) itself. For this reason, our military and the president's senior advisers were properly dead-set against it."
Defense Department figures show that, as of Tuesday, 109 U.S. soldiers died during the 2003 Iraq war as a result of hostile action, compared with 611 since Bush declared an end to major combat actions in Iraq on May 1, 2003.
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Still disagree. The roach should have gone in '03. And at that time Iran was in no position to influence Iraq. Bush The Father made a mistake. And the opinion of James, "Fuck The Jews!" Baker is not going to sway me. That Fucker, along with Zbigniew and General Zinni are 3 Assholes this Jew will always hold in contempt.
 

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Still disagree. The roach should have gone in '03. And at that time Iran was in no position to influence Iraq. Bush The Father made a mistake. And the opinion of James, "Fuck The Jews!" Baker is not going to sway me. That Fucker, along with Zbigniew and General Zinni are 3 Assholes this Jew will always hold in contempt.

Big fucking mistake. Forced his kid to clean up after him.
 

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Big fucking mistake. Forced his kid to clean up after him.

I'll say.

Imagine if the Allied Forces had left Hitler in power after he ransacked Europe.

You just invaded two continents and baked millions of Jews, but no worries Adolf... just sign the original "Peace in our Time", go back to your capital (whatever is left of it) and we will let bygones be bygones...mmmkay?

The Guesser is libtarded©.
 

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If there was any doubt about what was the right side, being on the other side of Terrorist Loving Pedo Dave, and Casper the Lying Fraud Canadian Sherrif Contrarian is always the right side. Scott, consider who is on your side, and RUN to the other side. @):)
 

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Guesser I disagree with Joe all the time. His and Zit's obsession with gay bashing disgusts me. But as far as American security and foreign policy goes we're pretty aligned. But since you're concerned with the company I keep look at the two posters clinking glasses behind you.
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Guesser I disagree with Joe all the time. His and Zit's obsession with gay bashing disgusts me. But as far as American security and foreign policy goes we're pretty aligned. But since you're concerned with the company I keep look at the two posters clinking glasses behind you.
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Scott, in all fairness, I think you're not painting me fairly in saying I'm obsessed with "gay bashing."

I don't approve of gay marriage, and I don't think society should be pushing homosexuality as normative, especially to kids. That's my position. I don't think gays should
be bullied, I don't believe in "bashing gays." Hope that clears things up.
 
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If there was any doubt about what was the right side, being on the other side of Terrorist Loving Pedo Dave, and Casper the Lying Fraud Canadian Sherrif Contrarian is always the right side. Scott, consider who is on your side, and RUN to the other side. @):)

And Guesser the lying sewer rat aligns himself with Duhhhhfinch and Akphidelt who has been exposed as a pathological liar and a troll.

Comedy Gold.
 

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Scott, in all fairness, I think you're not painting me fairly in saying I'm obsessed with "gay bashing."

I don't approve of gay marriage, and I don't think society should be pushing homosexuality as normative, especially to kids. That's my position. I don't think gays should
be bullied, I don't believe in "bashing gays." Hope that clears things up.

FZ my post was to demonstrate that we have opposing views and I have no problem standing up for my own. Some of what you and Joe have posted on this issue bothers me, and more than a little. That said, I don't want to continually bring any issue up and argue about it in multiple threads. It's senseless to always be re-posting and repetitiously arguing opposing stances that will not be budged. In a similar vein I am not amused when I see phrases like Casper the Canadian Ghost or Dave the Pedo posted in a dozen topics either.
 

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Scott, in all fairness, I think you're not painting me fairly in saying I'm obsessed with "gay bashing."

I don't approve of gay marriage, and I don't think society should be pushing homosexuality as normative, especially to kids. That's my position. I don't think gays should
be bullied, I don't believe in "bashing gays." Hope that clears things up.

Putin has it right - no propaganda of homosexuality and and pedophilia. Leave the kids alone and stop the indoctrination already!

If the left was in denial and insisted mentally retarded people were "normal" as well, I'd be calling them on it just as much.

The left simply refuses to live in reality. Foreign policy, the welfare state, this propagandistic gay shit, climate fraud...the list goes on and on -- the world as we want it to be, not how it is.
 
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FZ my post was to demonstrate that we have opposing views and I have no problem standing up for my own. Some of what you and Joe have posted on this issue bothers me, and more than a little. That said, I don't want to continually bring any issue up and argue about it in multiple threads. It's senseless to always be re-posting and repetitiously arguing opposing stances that will not be budged. In a similar vein I am not amused when I see phrases like Casper the Canadian Ghost or Dave the Pedo posted in a dozen topics either.

agree 100%
 

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Well, at least ur being amused . You should thank them . :)
 

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Bush is not only the worst President in recorded poll number history, he is the worst Prez in history period, IMO. Ignoring info and not preventing a preventable attack on 9-11, and starting a War that killed over a Thousand Americans and Many Thousand Innocent Iraqi's for nothing, in response to that attack which they had nothing to do with, with a lie about WMD's, clinched that award.

"preventable attack"

One of the dumbest things I've seen here (today)

You can't name a single thing President Bush could have done, that you would have supported at the time, to prevent the 9-11 attacks.

The suggestion that Bush "lied" about WMD's is laughable and preposterous.

This post is full of silly bullshit that dumb people believe.
 

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When it comes to foreign Policy, I am definitely in the Ron Paul school of mind our own business. Go 49ers!!!!! We will continue to agree to disagree about our ME policy, past and future. GWB's own words conveyed his non interest about OBL.
Q: But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive?
BUSH: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.


Yeah what, exactly, did killing OBL accomplish again?

These posts by you are embarrassingly idiotic.
 

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The senior Bush's thoughts are outlined in "A World Transformed," published well before his son became president. After Desert Storm, the nation was deeply split over whether Bush was right to bring the troops home while leaving Saddam's regime intact.
Although the political context of the region at the time was different from what the incumbent President Bush faced in 2003, the father's predictions about a post-Iraq war situation were eerily prescient.


@):mad:

Actually, they weren't "prescient" at all.

By no measure did the US suffer "major casualties" and in fact, there was exactly nobody that predicted the US would dispatch the 2nd largest military in the region in 3 weeks flat.

Again, these posts are embarrassingly stupid.
 

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The senior Bush's thoughts are outlined in "A World Transformed," published well before his son became president. After Desert Storm, the nation was deeply split over whether Bush was right to bring the troops home while leaving Saddam's regime intact.
Although the political context of the region at the time was different from what the incumbent President Bush faced in 2003, the father's predictions about a post-Iraq war situation were eerily prescient.


@):mad:

Actually, they weren't "prescient" at all.

By no measure did the US suffer "major casualties" and in fact, there was exactly nobody that predicted the US would dispatch the 2nd largest military in the region in 3 weeks flat.

Again, these posts are embarrassingly stupid.

But the government did fuck up the transition and rebuilding period in Iraq, no question about that. Hardly surprising, the government isn't very good at "building" anything back home, either.

With all the high tech weapons at our disposal, I'm not sure invading entire countries is the most efficient way to achieve "regime change" anymore.

The same applies to the current Islamofascist in Iran. If I were president, I would wouldn't hesitate in giving the green light to start assassinating their leaders. Iranian nuclear scientists are already dying in mysterious car crashes and being poisoned to death, while their infrastructure is being attacked by computer viruses, all courtesy of the "good guys" in Mossad. Why not just take it a step further?

Just take out the leadership and let their people handle the rest.

The Stuttering Cluskerfuck of a Miserable Failure had a golden opportunity during the last Iranian uprising, but true to to form, completely blew it.
 
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The senior Bush's thoughts are outlined in "A World Transformed," published well before his son became president. After Desert Storm, the nation was deeply split over whether Bush was right to bring the troops home while leaving Saddam's regime intact.
Although the political context of the region at the time was different from what the incumbent President Bush faced in 2003, the father's predictions about a post-Iraq war situation were eerily prescient.


@):mad:

Actually, they weren't "prescient" at all.

By no measure did the US suffer "major casualties" and in fact, there was exactly nobody that predicted the US would dispatch the 2nd largest military in the region in 3 weeks flat.

Again, these posts are embarrassingly stupid.

There's a reason why (sewer rat) Guesser's posts are embarrassingly stupid. He is the epitome of embarrassingly stupid. Correlation in this cause is because of causation. ROFL.
 

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But the government did fuck up the transition and rebuilding period in Iraq, no question about that. Hardly surprising, the government isn't very good at "building" anything back home, either.

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What I find funny about all of this is that dopes like 'guesser' were all up in arms that some group of "NEOCONS!!!" had a paper on the invasion of Iraq and that was proof that Bush/Cheney planned it all along. Now of course referencing something that was published before the invasion is some grand idea.
 

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