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<header class="article-header" id="article_header"> Born This Way?

Scientists may have found a biological basis for homosexuality. That could be bad news for gay rights.

By Mark Joseph Stern
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“Baby, you were born this way.” As soon as Lady Gaga sang these words on her smash hit "Born This Way," they became a rallying cry for gay people around the world, an anthem for sexual minorities facing discrimination. The shiny, catchy song carries an empowering (if simple) message: Don’t be ashamed about being gay, or bi, or trans, or anything—that’s just how you were born. Gaga later named her anti-bullying charity after the same truism, and two filmmakers borrowed it for their documentary exposing homophobia in Africa. A popular "Born This Way" blog encourages users to submit reflections on “their innate LGBTQ selves.” Need a quick, pithy riposte against anti-gay bigotry? Baby, we were born this way. <section class="about-the-author fancy inline with-head"> <header> Mark Joseph Stern </header> Mark Joseph Stern is a writer for Slate. He covers science, the law, and LGBTQ issues.
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But were we? That’s the foundational question behind the gay rights movement—and its opponents. If gay people were truly born that way, the old canard of homosexuality as a “lifestyle choice” (or “sexual preference”) is immediately disproven. But if gay people weren’t born that way, if scientists were unable to find any biological basis for sexual orientation, then the Family Research Council crowd could claim vindication in its fight to label homosexuality unnatural, harmful, and against nature.

In recent years, scientists have proposed various speculative biological bases for homosexuality but never settled on an answer. As researchers draw closer to uncovering an explanation, however, a new question has arisen: What if in some cases sexuality is caused by an identifiable chemical process in the womb? What if, in other words, homosexuality can potentially be prevented? That is one implication of one of the most widely accepted hypotheses thus far proposed. And if it’s true, it could turn out to be a blow for the gay rights movement.

Some of the strongest current evidence that some people are born gay is based on a phenomenon called the fraternal birth order effect. Several peer-reviewed studies have shown that men with older biological brothers are likelier to be gay than men with older sisters or no older siblings. The likelihood of being gay increases by about 33 percent with each additional older brother. From these statistics, researchers calculate that about 15 to 30 percent of gay men have the fraternal birth order effect to thank for their homosexuality.

The fraternal birth order effect is a little perverse. It means that a disproportionate number of gay men are born into disproportionately homophobic households. Couples with large numbers of children tend to be religious and belong to denominations that are conservative and more homophobic. Consider the numbers: 1 percent of Unitarians have four or more children, while 3 percent of evangelical Protestants, 4 percent of Catholics, 6 percent of Muslims, and 9 percent of Mormons have families that large.

At the same time, 64 percent of Evangelicals, 30 percent of Catholics, 61 percent of Muslims, and 68 percent of Mormons believe homosexuality should be “discouraged by society.” (Compare that with 15 percent of Jews.) Big families that disapprove of gay people are likely to have gay people in their own clan.

Perhaps these families would be more accepting if the specific biological basis for the birth order effect were elucidated. We know the effect is biological rather than social—it’s entirely absent in men whose older brothers were adopted—but scientists haven’t been able to prove much else.

One of the leading explanations is called the maternal immunization hypothesis. According to Ray Blanchard of the University of Toronto, when a woman is pregnant with a male fetus, her body is exposed to a male-specific antigen, some molecule that normally turns the fetus heterosexual. The woman’s immune system produces antibodies to fight this foreign antigen. With enough antibodies, the antigen will be neutralized and no longer capable of making the fetus straight. These antibodies linger in the mother’s body long after pregnancy, and so when a woman has a second son, or a third or fourth, an army of antibodies is lying in wait to zap the chemicals that would normally make him heterosexual.

Or so Blanchard speculates. Although the hypothesis sounds reasonable enough, it’s premised on a number of assumptions that haven’t been proven. For instance, no one has shown that there is a particular antigen that controls sexual orientation, let alone one designed to make men straight. And if that antigen does exist, does it control orientation only? Blanchard refers to its antibody attackers as “anti-male,” implying that the antigen controls for various aspects of masculinity. But when I asked him about this, he was noncommittal. Moreover, the hypothesis proposes a loose, two-way flow of antigens and antibodies between the fetus (whose antigens spread to the mother) and the mother (whose antibodies spread to the fetus). But this exchange has never been observed—and the antibodies and antigens in question are hypothetical, anyway. If they do exist, there’s no assurance that they perform this placental pirouette.

There’s a problem with this explanation. Even though the gay rights movement theoretically wants proof that homosexuality is inborn, this particular hypothesis is, unintentionally, a little insulting. “The scientists behind the [maternal immunization] hypothesis talk about it as if they’re not making judgments, but there are implicit judgments,” says Jack Drescher, former chair of the American Psychiatric Association’s Committee on Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Issues. Drescher points out, correctly, that the hypothesis is fundamentally one of pathology. If Blanchard is right, then (at least some) gay people are indeed born gay, but there’s still something wrong with them. The hypothesis turns homosexuality into a birth defect, an aberration: Gay people are deviants from the normative mode of heterosexuality. We may have been born this way, the hypothesis implies, but that’s not how it was supposed to happen.

Drescher is skeptical that scientists will ever uncover a single biological basis for homosexuality—he suspects the root causes are more varied and complex—and suggests that it’s the wrong question to ask in the first place. But the hunt will go on. The gay rights movement, like the black civil rights movement before it, begins with the proposition that we should not discriminate against people because of who they are or how they were born. That’s a belief most Americans share, and it explains the success of the “born this way” anthem. If homosexuality is truly biological, discrimination against gay people is bigotry, plain and simple. But if it’s a birth defect, as Blanchard’s work tacitly suggests, then being gay is something that can—and presumably should—be fixed.

That’s a toxic view, and one that must be abandoned. We might not yet understand the exact biological mechanisms underlying sexual orientation, but we will one day soon. And if, at that point, homosexuality is seen as a disorder, the next step will be a search for a cure. That would be a tragedy—for society and for science. There’s nothing wrong with being gay: You know it; I know it; the Supreme Court knows it. But so long as large swaths of the country believe otherwise—places where homophobic families still ostracize their gay sons and brothers—any research into its biological origins is fraught with peril for the cause of gay rights.
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[h=2]Identical Twin Studies Demonstrate Homosexuality is Not Genetic[/h]

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Eight major studies of identical twins in Australia, the U.S., and Scandinavia during the last two decades all arrive at the same conclusion: gays were not born that way. “At best genetics is a minor factor,” says Dr. Neil Whitehead, PhD. Whitehead worked for the New Zealand government as a scientific researcher for 24 years, then spent four years working for the United Nations and International Atomic Energy Agency. Most recently, he serves as a consultant to Japanese universities about the effects of radiation exposure. His PhD is in biochemistry and statistics.

Identical twins have the same genes or DNA. They are nurtured in equal prenatal conditions. If homosexuality is caused by genetics or prenatal conditions and one twin is gay, the co-twin should also be gay. “Because they have identical DNA, it ought to be 100%,” Dr. Whitehead notes. But the studies reveal something else. “If an identical twin has same-sex attraction the chances the co-twin has it are only about 11% for men and 14% for women.”

Because identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. “No-one is born gay,” he notes. “The predominant things that create homosexuality in one identical twin and not in the other have to be post-birth factors.”

The predominant things that create homosexuality in one identical twin and
not in the other have to be post-birth factors.
Dr. Whitehead believes same-sex attraction (SSA) is caused by “non-shared factors,” things happening to one twin but not the other, or a personal response to an event by one of the twins and not the other. For example, one twin might have exposure to pornography or sexual abuse, but not the other. One twin may interpret and respond to their family or classroom environment differently than the other. “These individual and idiosyncratic responses to random events and to common environmental factors predominate,” he says.

The first very large, reliable study of identical twins was conducted in Australia in 1991, followed by a large U.S. study about 1997. Then Australia and the U.S. conducted more twin studies in 2000, followed by several studies in Scandinavia, according to Dr. Whitehead. “Twin registers are the foundation of modern twin studies. They are now very large, and exist in many countries. A gigantic European twin register with a projected 600,000 members is being organized, but one of the largest in use is in Australia, with more than 25,000 twins on the books.”

A significant twin study among adolescents shows an even weaker genetic correlation. In 2002 Bearman and Brueckner studied tens of thousands of adolescent students in the U.S. The same-sex attraction concordance between identical twins was only 7.7% for males and 5.3% for females—lower than the 11% and 14% in the Australian study by Bailey et al conducted in 2000.

In the identical twin studies, Dr. Whitehead has been struck by how fluid and changeable sexual identity can be. “Neutral academic surveys show there is substantial change. About half of the homosexual/bisexual population (in a non-therapeutic environment) moves towards heterosexuality over a lifetime. About 3% of the present heterosexual population once firmly believed themselves to be homosexual or bisexual. Sexual orientation is not set in concrete.”

Most changes in sexual orientation are towards exclusive heterosexuality.
Even more remarkable, most of the changes occur without counseling or therapy. “These changes are not therapeutically induced, but happen ‘naturally’ in life, some very quickly,” Dr. Whitehead observes. “Most changes in sexual orientation are towards exclusive heterosexuality.”

The number of people who have changed towards exclusive heterosexuality are greater than current numbers of bisexuals and homosexuals combined. In other words, ex-gays outnumber actual gays.
The fluidity is even more pronounced among adolescents, as Bearman and Brueckner’s study demonstrated. “They found that from 16 to 17-years-old, if a person had a romantic attraction to the same sex, almost all had switched one year later. The authors were pro-gay and they commented that the only stability was among the heterosexuals, who stayed the same year after year. Adolescents are a special case—generally changing their attractions from year to year.”

Still, many misconceptions persist in the popular culture. Namely, that homosexuality is genetic – so hard-wired into one’s identity that it can’t be changed. “The academics who work in the field are not happy with the portrayals by the media on the subject,” Dr. Whitehead notes. “But they prefer to stick with their academic research and not get involved in the activist side.”
 
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How's that for an interesting article Justin?

Too bad it exposes your lie earlier in the thread, that you continue to avoid.
 

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I'm betting many of those so called "straight" twins out there are really gay but won't admit it.
 

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I'm betting many of those so called "straight" twins out there are really gay but won't admit it.

Zit refuses to use common sense. No one would choose to be gay. period.

He posts some article like that proves his point. He should try talking to a gay person and ask them if it was a choice.
 

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Zit refuses to use common sense. No one would choose to be gay. period.
I've seen him use that same cut and paste article for years now. But the mere fact that 11% of men twins and 14% of women twins are both gay tells me that genetics do indeed play a part in homosexuality.
 
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I've seen him use that same cut and paste article for years now. But the mere fact that 11% of men twins and 14% of women twins are both gay tells me that genetics do indeed play a part in homosexuality.

Um, what kind of articles posted in here are not cut/paste?
 
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Zit refuses to use common sense. No one would choose to be gay. period.

He posts some article like that proves his point. He should try talking to a gay person and ask them if it was a choice.

Because we all know that Justin's "common sense" trumps science.

Are you really that stupid Justin?
 
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Zit refuses to use common sense. No one would choose to be gay. period.

He posts some article like that proves his point. He should try talking to a gay person and ask them if it was a choice.

Actually it's not *just* an article. It's an article reporting on 8 major studies. Oh wait, I forgot, your "common sense" refutes 8 major studies.

LMFAO.
 

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Actually it's not *just* an article. It's an article reporting on 8 major studies. Oh wait, I forgot, your "common sense" refutes 8 major studies.

LMFAO.

Talk to 8 gay people. Each will tell you they were born that way

Pretty much blows your studies out of the water.

Keep in mind mcdonalds has studies showing fast food is not bad for us and the tobacco industry has studies saying smoking doesn't cause cancer.
 

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Zit's "Study" discredited:

Holy Bullies and Headless Monsters

Analyzing and refuting the inaccuracies lodged against the lgbt community by religious conservative organizations. Lies in the name of God are still lies.

Sunday, April 29, 2012

Let's play the game of "spank the homophobe"



The person who I talked about in my last post - who by the way is a member of the Truth4Time site - can't seem to take a hint. He didn't exactly appreciate me mocking him. Subsequently, he sent me a long post and dared me to publish it.


I will, with a few additions of my own. Now I have given the poor child the initials of LTP. Never mind why. LOL
LTP:

I dare you Alvin to post my response... lets see if you are as open minded as you people say you are.

My friend - "Homophobe", "sad ignorant fool", subpar intelligence"..."nice" (sarcastic).. insults, typical of the responses from this kid of crowd... well, here is an education on facts:

First… there is no "gay gene".... if you are a homosexual you were not born one, you are made, a fact explained by geneticists like Dr. Neil E. Whitehead PhD in YouTube:

Type in the search box: [ Dr. Neil Whitehead answers, "Is there a gay gene?"]

Dr. Neil says that even after decades of looking:“ No statistical significant gene has been found, and they even looked at the whole human Geno…”

Another is large “Identical Twins Studies” in the Netherlands and Holland also prove homosexuality not to be genetic, since only less than 10% of the time if one identical twin is gay the other one is also gay, meaning 90% of the time if one is gay the other is not… in a situation were b-o-t-h beings (the twins) are genetically identical, and cooked in the mothers belly at the same time (under the same hormonal environment).

Even England's leading gay activist Peter Tatchell recently stated that: "Homosexuality isn’t natural. Ignore those researchers who claim to have discovered a ‘gay gene’, gay desire is not genetically determined". (Spiked, Tuesday 24, 2008).​
My answer - First of all, my friend, you didn't give any information on Dr. Neil Whitehead. Whitehead is a member of the discredited group NARTH (National Organization for the Research and Therapy of Homosexuality). No one in the scientific community takes that organization seriously because it pushes "reparative therapy" - the false notion that homosexuality is a condition which can be changed. According to Truth Wins Out:
NARTH relies on outdated studies and frequently confuses stereotypes with science. Dr. Nicolosi, for example, often tells audiences that people are gay because they have a rift with a same-sex parent or a have domineering opposite sex parent. It has been decades since any serious scientific body subscribed to these views and there is no contemporary research to uphold these anachronistic theories. Yet, NARTH’ co-founder Dr. Joseph Nicolosi repeats the empty mantra, “We advise fathers, if you don’t hug your sons, some other man will.”

. . . NARTH also has bizarre theories, such as encouraging male clients who drink Gatorade and call their friends “dude,” because this will supposedly make them more masculine. Dr. Nicolosi also espouses the bizarre idea that, “Non-homosexual men who experience defeat and failure may also experience homosexual fantasies or dreams.”

In 2006, NARTH had a meltdown after two major controversies. In the first, psychiatrist Joseph Berger, MD, a member of their “Scientific Advisory Committee,” wrote a paper encouraging students to “ridicule” gender variant children. “I suggest, indeed, letting children who wish go to school in clothes of the opposite sex–but not counseling other children to not tease them or hurt their feelings,” Dr. Berger wrote on NARTH’s website. “On the contrary, don’t interfere, and let the other children ridicule the child who has lost that clear boundary between play-acting at home and the reality needs of the outside world. Maybe, in this way, the child will re-establish that necessary boundary.”

In the second controversy, Gerald Schoenwolf, PhD, also a member of NARTH’s “Scientific Advisory Committee,” wrote a polemic on the group’s website that seemed to justify slavery.​
Two years ago, a member of NARTH's board, George Rekers, had to resign after being caught coming from a European vacation with a male escort.

But even without your citation of NARTH, your entire claim about a "gay gene" is merely a tactic for you to attempt to control the argument.

As far as I know, no gay equality group has ever pushed the notion of a gay gene. Also, no legitimate scientific body has ever said there was a gay gene, just like no scientific body ever said that there was a "heterosexual gene."

However, several legitimate medical bodies have all said that reparative therapy - the idea that homosexuality can be changed - is not necessarily a credible idea. According to the site Religious Tolerance:

Just the Facts Coalition -- a group of 13 professional associations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, American Counseling Association, American Association of School Administrators, American Federation of Teachers, American Psychological Association, American School Health Association, Interfaith Alliance Foundation, National Association of School Psychologists, National Association of Social Workers and National Education Association jointly issued a document in 1999 titled: "Just the facts about sexual orientation." The document was updated in 2008. They expressed concern about harassment of gay and lesbian youth, condemned reparative therapy as potentially harmful and of little or no effectiveness, and describe transformational ministries as representing only one part of Christianity -- those faith groups which view homosexuality as outside God's will, and incompatible with Christianity. They cite other denominations as supporting equal rights, and protection against discrimination, for gays and lesbians.
LTP:

Homosexuality is a dysfunction, homosexuals are victims of a bad upbringing environment, and incorrect/dysfunctional upbringing, and the damage starts very, very, very early in childhood, in the early years that no one remembers, thus many of them saying “I have been homosexual as far as I can remember…” the sad reality is that you are victims!​
My answer - Where is your proof of this? Your citations? You were so full of them when you spun the lie about the gay gene. I find it ironic that you cite absolutely NOTHING to prove this particular claim.
LTP:

Homosexuality begins in the condition knows as Gender Identity Disorder, which later turns into full-blown homosexuality. Dr. Julie Harren explains in whatnatureintended.weebly.com, I did the research for two years, it is all there. “Homosexuality 101 - part 1, 2 , and 3 - Dr. Julie Harren”​
My answer - Is that the same Dr. Julie Harren who is affiliated with NARTH (see above) and was elected President of the organization in 2007? Why yes it is.
LTP:

Homosexuality has nothing to do with civil rights... there are plenty of ex-homosexuals who have reversed into been heterosexuals, but we ALL have yet to see a single Black American been an ex-Black American!​
My answer - Please pardon my candor, but for someone who obsesses about gay men placing things up their rears (see my last post involving LTP's orginal letter), it seems that you have a significant amount of religious right hands up your bum. I say that to mean you are repeating their talking points like you are their puppet.

In regards to your claims about the amount of "ex-gays," a good friend of mine, Wayne Besen, suggested something that I would like to put to you. If there are as many "ex-gays" as folks like you claim exist, then why don't they all have a march in Washington for the world to see who they are. I mean really I hear about the "vast amount" of "ex-gays" from folks like yourself but I have seen more evidence of Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, and the Yeti than evidence of all of these many "ex-gays" who are supposed to exist.

Also, let me put a new spin on you in regards to the African-American card you pulled. Back in the day, there were some African-Americans who were so light in complexion that they were able to pass as white. This gave them more freedom in a racist society, but more often than not, they paid the price by either discovery or their actual racial heritage or the realization that they are living a lie.

When I hear people talk about "there are no ex-Blacks" but plenty of "ex-gays," it is these African-Americans whom I think of.

LTP had some other stuff to say, mostly about him being an "ex-communist" and his supposed measured IQ of 132.

The first thing is something I don't give a crap about. The second thing is something I find hard to believe. But that's just me.

LTP, if you are reading this, I would suggest that before you call yourself gathering data, you research where said data comes from. And also, don't allow your personal biases to influence the data you receive.

No doubt you will want to answer me, but I also suggest that you first pick your face up from the ground.
 
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Actually Scott, you posted absolutely 0 evidence to discredit those studies. You posted an ad hominem attack on Dr. Whitehead, when Whitehead didn't even conduct the studies.

So predictable.
 
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Talk to 8 gay people. Each will tell you they were born that way

Pretty much blows your studies out of the water.

Keep in mind mcdonalds has studies showing fast food is not bad for us and the tobacco industry has studies saying smoking doesn't cause cancer.

Adding to your list of lies in the thread are we?
 

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So what about the people out there who don't believe in god? Typical moronic statement, using religion when it benefits them.
You're so blind you can't even get my point. Religion? LOL. Substitute God with nature if you wish. You need + and - to have a family. It's like a battery. Two penises....no work. Two vaginas....no work. Natural law says you need to be straight or it won't work. The same people that say that a man can't be faithful because it's in his nature to want to spread his seed and reproduce...are the same people that say being gay is no different than being straight.
 

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Actually Scott, you posted absolutely 0 evidence to discredit those studies. You posted an ad hominem attack on Dr. Whitehead, when Whitehead didn't even conduct the studies.

So predictable.

It wasn't ad-hominem it was FACT! I'm predictable, yet everyone of you who are against GAY MARRIAGE and live your lives to make these people feel broken and outcasted do so because YOU ARE MARRIED to this conclusion by religious decree. You decide something is wrong, and then you conduct a 'STUDY' by a biased cousin of Mel Gibson to prove it. You can't even breathe comfortably knowing there are people in here who won't accept your conclusions. You are an ideologue.
 

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It wasn't ad-hominem it was FACT! I'm predictable, yet everyone of you who are against GAY MARRIAGE and live your lives to make these people feel broken and outcasted do so because YOU ARE MARRIED to this conclusion by religious decree. You decide something is wrong, and then you conduct a 'STUDY' by a biased cousin of Mel Gibson to prove it. You can't even breathe comfortably knowing there are people in here who won't accept your conclusions. You are an ideologue.

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Homophobes are assholes. That has been confirmed. I don't know, that gay hate is a weird thing... are homophobes victims of abuse? closeted gays themselves? so many questions, so little time.
 

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