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Originally Posted by festeringZit

It does affect me, and it does affect society at large, for many reasons. Here are just a few:

1. It is an attack against the traditional judeo-christian family unit, which has been the foundation of western civilization for centuries
2. Normalizing gay/bi/trans-sexual/transgender behavior is to "normalize" a lifestyle that is ridden with both physical and mental health issues:

In September of 2010, Reuters reported: "Nearly one in five gay and bisexual men in 21 major U.S. cities are infected with HIV, and nearly half of them do not know it". A September 2010 report of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported : "Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV and are the only risk group in which new HIV infections have been increasing steadily since the early 1990s. In 2006, MSM accounted for more than half (53%) of all new HIV infections in the United States..."

A new study by a group of University of Chicago researchers reveals a high level of promiscuity and unhealthy behavior among that city's homosexual male population. According to the researchers, 42.9 percent of homosexual men in Chicago's Shoreland area have had more than 60 sexual partners, while an additional 18.4 percent have had between 31 and 60 partners. All total, 61.3 percent of the area's homosexual men have had more than 30 partners, and 87.8 percent have had more than 15, the research found.
As a result, 55.1 percent of homosexual males in Shoreland -- known as Chicago's "gay center" -- have at least one sexually transmitted disease, researchers said.
The three-year study on the sexual habits of Chicago's citizens will appear in the upcoming book, "The Sexual Organization of The City" (University of Chicago Press), due out this spring.

3. Since we are now "normalizing" gay marriage, polygamy and pedophilia are next, mark my words, it is already happening.
4. Gay adoption is child abuse. This is the most accurate post of the year,good job Festering! well done
 

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Doesnt bother me at all...their will always be people who are for and against almost everything on this earth. Just the same as religion etc i say to each their own because, guess what, most controversial topics are individualized...nothing is right or wrong for everyone based on your opinions or whatever fairy tale book you choose to believe. Inability to adapt is the downfall of alot of things and this country has come a long way doing just that...except for the black president...i kid
 
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Hey FZ - So you believe gay people choose to be gay?

Sure, I know a bunch of people that have "chosen" to leave the life-style, and live happy heterosexual lives.

I know, I know... they're really still gay, right?

This is how it works:

If you're gay and you go straight, well you're really still gay.
If you're straight and you go gay, well you were gay all along.

Funny how that works?
 
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Hey FZ - So you believe gay people choose to be gay?

I don't deny that some people have a predisposition toward homosexuality, that doesn't mean they have to act on it.

Some people have genuine attraction to fuck little kids, that doesn't mean they have to act on it.
 

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I don't deny that some people have a predisposition toward homosexuality, that doesn't mean they have to act on it.

Some people have genuine attraction to fuck little kids, that doesn't mean they have to act on it.

So now being gay is the same as fucking little kids
 

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Sure, I know a bunch of people that have "chosen" to leave the life-style, and live happy heterosexual lives.

I know, I know... they're really still gay, right?

This is how it works:

If you're gay and you go straight, well you're really still gay.
If you're straight and you go gay, well you were gay all along.

Funny how that works?

You have some truly archaic ideas
 
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So now being gay is the same as fucking little kids

I didn't say that either. You're just not very bright Justin, you can't even follow a basic discussion without throwing out straw-men over and over.

It's clear you've never had a basic course in logic and rhetoric, stuff my kids learn in junior high.
 

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So for the guy (let's say) that has never been attracted to women, he should just abstain from what he is attracted to? Ive talked to gay guys who have told me they tried to be with girls, but couldn't even get it up. They just had no attraction to women. Except for their tits. If you ever talk to a gay guy (which I doubt you ever will) they may be able to shed some light on this subject. Who the hell would choose to be gay? If you ask me it's nasty, I agree. But I am open-minded enough to know that it's not their "choice" to be attracted to guys. They just are. And for your analogy about men having sex with children isn't comparable. I would say those people have a serious psychological problem and many were molested themselves. How about you "choose" to not be attracted to women and let me know how that works out for you.
 
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Originally Posted by festeringZit

It does affect me, and it does affect society at large, for many reasons. Here are just a few:

1. It is an attack against the traditional judeo-christian family unit, which has been the foundation of western civilization for centuries
2. Normalizing gay/bi/trans-sexual/transgender behavior is to "normalize" a lifestyle that is ridden with both physical and mental health issues:

In September of 2010, Reuters reported: "Nearly one in five gay and bisexual men in 21 major U.S. cities are infected with HIV, and nearly half of them do not know it". A September 2010 report of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported : "Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV and are the only risk group in which new HIV infections have been increasing steadily since the early 1990s. In 2006, MSM accounted for more than half (53%) of all new HIV infections in the United States..."

A new study by a group of University of Chicago researchers reveals a high level of promiscuity and unhealthy behavior among that city's homosexual male population. According to the researchers, 42.9 percent of homosexual men in Chicago's Shoreland area have had more than 60 sexual partners, while an additional 18.4 percent have had between 31 and 60 partners. All total, 61.3 percent of the area's homosexual men have had more than 30 partners, and 87.8 percent have had more than 15, the research found.
As a result, 55.1 percent of homosexual males in Shoreland -- known as Chicago's "gay center" -- have at least one sexually transmitted disease, researchers said.
The three-year study on the sexual habits of Chicago's citizens will appear in the upcoming book, "The Sexual Organization of The City" (University of Chicago Press), due out this spring.

3. Since we are now "normalizing" gay marriage, polygamy and pedophilia are next, mark my words, it is already happening.
4. Gay adoption is child abuse. This is the most accurate post of the year,good job Festering! well done

"This is the most accurate post of the year,good job Festering! well done"

Reformatting response, as it got stuck in the quote...
 

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So for the guy (let's say) that has never been attracted to women, he should just abstain from what he is attracted to? Ive talked to gay guys who have told me they tried to be with girls, but couldn't even get it up. They just had no attraction to women. Except for their tits. If you ever talk to a gay guy (which I doubt you ever will) they may be able to shed some light on this subject. Who the hell would choose to be gay? If you ask me it's nasty, I agree. But I am open-minded enough to know that it's not their "choice" to be attracted to guys. They just are. And for your analogy about men having sex with children isn't comparable. I would say those people have a serious psychological problem and many were molested themselves. How about you "choose" to not be attracted to women and let me know how that works out for you.

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So for the guy (let's say) that has never been attracted to women, he should just abstain from what he is attracted to? Ive talked to gay guys who have told me they tried to be with girls, but couldn't even get it up. They just had no attraction to women. Except for their tits. If you ever talk to a gay guy (which I doubt you ever will) they may be able to shed some light on this subject. Who the hell would choose to be gay? If you ask me it's nasty, I agree. But I am open-minded enough to know that it's not their "choice" to be attracted to guys. They just are. And for your analogy about men having sex with children isn't comparable. I would say those people have a serious psychological problem and many were molested themselves. How about you "choose" to not be attracted to women and let me know how that works out for you.

If you are an atheist, and you believe we're all just DNA replicating across the universe, I can see how one would come to that conclusion. If you are a theist, and believe
that people have moral duties, then your world-view is quite a bit different.

BTW, historically the American Psychiatric Association classified homosexuality as a "serious psychological problem" (using your words). The ONLY reason they declassified
it, is because they were bullied by the militant gay lobby. That is a fact.
 
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I was raised Southern Baptist. I've struggled with the Christian teachings for about 5-7 years now. One of the biggest issues I have with it is that I was taught we are all Gods children. He made us in his image. That's great. But then you look at people in lets say, Iraq. Why would a loving God create people in Iraq who will NEVER believe in Jesus and become Christians to damn them to eternal hell. That doesn't make any sense to me. He's all knowing, right? He just overlooked that part?
 

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BTW, for those who don't believe being gay is a choice, read the story of the head of the lesbian studies department at Syracuse University.
She was a militant gay activist. She read the Bible, came to the conclusion that her lifestyle was a sin, and left it:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2013/january-february/my-train-wreck-conversion.html

She now has been happily heterosexually married for years, with lots of kids...

how many gays men or women have you had a conversation with?
 
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how many gays men or women have you had a conversation with?

more than 20, less than 100... somewhere in that range

I've worked with them my whole professional career.

I also developed a friendship with one guy who was homeless for a while, and I let him stay in my
one-bedroom apartment, years ago when I was single. This was for a couple weeks until he
could get back on his feet...
 

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If you are an atheist, and you believe we're all just DNA replicating across the universe, I can see how one would come to that conclusion. If you are a theist, and believe
that people have moral duties, then your world-view is quite a bit different.


So you don't think atheists can have good morals?
 
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I was raised Southern Baptist. I've struggled with the Christian teachings for about 5-7 years now. One of the biggest issues I have with it is that I was taught we are all Gods children. He made us in his image. That's great. But then you look at people in lets say, Iraq. Why would a loving God create people in Iraq who will NEVER believe in Jesus and become Christians to damn them to eternal hell. That doesn't make any sense to me. He's all knowing, right? He just overlooked that part?

Well, first of all, the idea most people have of hell is much more like Dante's inferno than anything else. The Bible doesn't say much about hell at all, I've been studying
that issue, and have come to the annihilationist view, which says that man by default does not have an eternal soul, but eternal life is a gift of God to believers. Those
who die without that gift just cease to exist. The idea that man by nature has an eternal soul came from Plato. I can go into much more detail about that offline if you'd like...
 

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