You can cite anecdotal evidence all you want, but fundamentally, the atheist has no objective basis for morality. Like Richard Dawkins says, there is no good or evil, just DNA replicating across the universe.
He explains how a female digger wasp lays eggs inside a caterpillar so that her larvae can eat it. She paralyzes the caterpillar but does not kill it so that the body remains fresh. Dawkins speculates that if the wasp’s venom included an anesthetic, then the caterpillar would not suffer while being eaten, but “nature is not cruel, only piteously indifferent. This is one of the hardest lessons for humans to learn. We cannot admit that things might be neither good nor evil, neither cruel nor kind, but simply callous—indifferent to all suffering, lacking all purpose.”[SUP]9
[/SUP]Dawkins returns to his example of the wasp and caterpillar and says that “Nature is neither kind nor unkind. She is neither against suffering nor for it. Nature is not interested one way or the other in suffering, unless it affects the survival of DNA.”[SUP]13[/SUP] He describes the crash of a school bus and quotes a writer who argues that the horror of such tragedies confirms that we live in a world of values, because if the world were just electrons, then there would be no problem of evil. Dawkins responds:
On the contrary, if the universe were just electrons and selfish genes, meaningless tragedies like the crashing of this bus are exactly what we should expect, along with equally meaningless good fortune. Such a universe would be neither evil nor good in intention. It would manifest no intentions of any kind. In a universe of blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won’t find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
That's your reasoning that being gay is a choice? Do you know how many men get married and have kids...then go trolling for dick at night? Cmon zit...do better than this. Nobody chooses to be ridiculed, beaten and kicked out of their families. Why do you think all these gays commit suicide at such a high rate? They would rather not live than live with the non stop hate for just being who they are and how they were born.
The only reason gays don't have equal rights is a militant Christian lobby. That is a fact.
Isn't it amazing how people who are far right on social issues don't want the government in their lives, but want the government to shove their set of values down everyone else's throats?
Please understand though, by religious decree Zit is completely close-minded and literally cannot help himself.
Orthodox Judaism
Orthodox Judaism*maintains the traditional Jewish bans on both sexual acts and marriage amongst members of the same sex.[1]*The Orthodox Union in the United States supported a federal Constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages.[2]*In Australia, the Organisation of Rabbis Australasia (ORA) have made submissions and written public letters against legalising same-sex marriage.
Orthodox Judaism*maintains the traditional Jewish bans on both sexual acts and marriage amongst members of the same sex.[1]*The Orthodox Union in the United States supported a federal Constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages.[2]*In Australia, the Organisation of Rabbis Australasia (ORA) have made submissions and written public letters against legalising same-sex marriage.
Conservative Judaism
The American branch of*Conservative Judaism*formally approves of same-sex marriage ceremonies.[4]*Some synagogues within Conservative Judaism still reject recognition of same-sex unions as marriages, but permit celebration of commitment ceremonies, in part as an expression of their belief that scripture requires monogamy of all sexually active couples.[5]*The decision avoids applying the Jewish legal term for marriage,*kiddushin, to the same-sex situation, as the term is gender-specific.[6]
The American branch of*Conservative Judaism*formally approves of same-sex marriage ceremonies.[4]*Some synagogues within Conservative Judaism still reject recognition of same-sex unions as marriages, but permit celebration of commitment ceremonies, in part as an expression of their belief that scripture requires monogamy of all sexually active couples.[5]*The decision avoids applying the Jewish legal term for marriage,*kiddushin, to the same-sex situation, as the term is gender-specific.[6]
So? Does Judaism decree how those outside the religion should live their lives? Shove their morality down everyone else's throats like Christian Fundamentalists do? No, it doesn't! Even Judaism itself has broken down to Orthodox, Conservative and Reformed so as not to be as stringent in how people may worship, or live their lives.
What about those born in remote villages who have never heard of Christianity? Are they condemned to hell? Serious question. IMO, it is all about good deeds, being a good person. Are Jews and other non believers of JC denied heaven?
I am not saying this is how you think, zit, but some fundamentalists do. Just curious on your thoughts here.
