'anyone miss manny ????'.

[wilheim]

Curious stat regarding Yaz.

In the 1970 season Yaz lost the batting title by one one hundreth of a percentage point to Alex Johnson of the of the then California Angels.

Johnson had 202 hits in 614 at bats for a .329 average in 156 games, he drew 35 walks.
Yaz had 186 hits in 566 at bats in 161 games, he drew 128 walks.

To his credit Johnson went two for three in his three at bats during the last game of the year on the west coast on Oct. 1st during a 5-4 win over the White Sox but was removed from the game by manager Lefty Phillips when he knew Johnson had crept past an already finished for the season Yaz whose Red Sox team had finished their season the day before, Sep. 30th. Johnson was replaced at first after an infield base hit as a pinch runner and then in leftfield by Jay Johnstone in the bottom of the 5th.. The Batting Crown was Johnson's as soon as he walked off first and out of the game after his second single*. Both their season's were now over and Johnson won the AL Batting Crown by 1 - 100th of a point. The Boston papers called foul but Phillips was within his rights to pull Johnson as the game was meaningless otherwise with both teams in the second division of the AL West.

Yaz was 1 or 2 in the 4th and could have come out and won the title but didin't, nor did he even know he would have won it anyway. He flew out and grounded out later all against 20 game winner that year Fritz Peterson. Jay Janeski who Johnson got his two hits off was 10 and 17 on the season.

Yaz had gone 1 for 4 against the Yankees at Fenway in a 4-3 loss. He played the entire game.

Bottom of the 5th, Angels Batting, Ahead 2-0, Jerry Janeski facing 9-1-2
O --- 81% G Garrett Groundout: 1B unassisted
--- 83% A Johnson Single to 3B
Jay Johnstone pinch runs for Alex Johnson batting 1st

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CAL/CAL197010010.shtml


wil.

 

[wilheim]

if Sox miss out on the playoffs, the excuse by the media and fans will be "the whole Manny thing"
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Personally, I don't think there is any reason to use the trade as an legitimate excuse for anything unless it's something positive. Boston has over 60 games remaing and know exactly what they have to do with the club they have. Anyone who looks back and blames Theo for dumping Manny while he could still get a player of Bay's stature is not a very well informed baseball fan.



wil.

 

[Fishhead]

God isnt it pathetic how Red Sox fans all of a sudden cant stand Manny?

......very true.

Having stated that and being a Red Sox fan myself, Manny is still my favorite player in the game.......for the time being anyway.

As 5teamer stated, the Bosox franchise would still be waiting for their first title since 1918 if Manny had not arrived in Boston.

By the way, I think Bay should put up some very good numbers with Boston......but there is just no way he will replace the positive impact of what Manny brought to the table for this team.

The Red Sox have lost the "scare" they imposed on other teams with Manny in the lineup.......simply irreplacable and worth every red cent the Red Sox paid him.

 

[RobFunk]

......very true.



By the way, I think Bay should put up some very good numbers with Boston......but there is just no way he will replace the positive impact of what Manny brought to the table for this team.

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I think bay has definatly adjusted better than most NL imports to the Sox of times past. So far, anyways.

But Manny on his game, no he won't match that.

 

[wilheim]

Manny has had ups and downs in big games especially World Series games.

In four World Series (lost two with Cleveland) Manny has hit .247 with a OBP of .363 and a Slg ave of .416. with 4 homers and 14 RBI in 21 games. Made 11 All Star games has a total of 3 hits, but didn't play in three of the games. Ironically he did hit a homer in the 2004 game in the first inning off Roger Clemens at Minute Maid Park. His only big All Star moment.

Take Derek Jeter in comparison in 32 World Series games he has hit .302 with an OBP of .375 and a slg ave of 434. He has 39 WS hits compared to Manny's 19. Jeter has been on the winning side of 4 and losing side of 2 series.


Bottom line it is not just one player who wins World Series. When Manny won MVP of the 4-0 sweep of the Cards in 2004 he had a single homer and 4 RbI in the series. Basically won it by default. Last year against the Rockies in another 4-0 sweep Manny had 4 hits, 1 double and 2 RBI for the series. His .296 ave with 20 homers and 88 RBI to go with 92 Ks and 21 double plays last season were hardly the reason the Sox won the WS.

He is gone and the sooner the Red Sox fans (the management and the players already know) the club is better for it especially given he was gone in less than two months anyway.


wil.

 

[Harvey Dent]

Lest we not forget Manny will have collected all $160M of his 8 year deal with the Red Sox come October 1st. Safe to say he was well compensated for putting Boston on the map. Hopefully he will put Los Angeles back on the map now that he is a Dodger.

In 2006 he was left free on unrestricted waivers and not a team claimed hm including the Yankees because no one wanted to pay him $20M a year. Next year he will be lucky to see half that, with a good portion of it in performance clauses.



wil.

He will easily get 15m a year atleast

 

[Fishhead]

No Manny, no titles in Beantown.

The Curse of the Bambino would be well in place to this day without the legendary Manny Ramirez adoring the Red Sox uniform.

 

[MrCleo]

^^ i hope no one here is arguing otherwise ?

 

[5teamparlay]

Will be an interesting 2004 reunion team with DAMON and MANRAM coming back to FENWAY.

OK I guess they will be fine with MEINKROWKIRTZ with his ball in hand.

 

[5teamparlay]

Boston Doesn't Like Manny Monster It Created ---

Boston doesn’t like Manny monster it created

By Tim Brown, Yahoo! Sports Aug 8, 11:31 pm EDT


So Manny Ramirez is out in L.A., raking, making something of the Los Angeles Dodgers’ offense, altering team grooming policies, honeymooning an entirely different nation, and someone doesn’t like it.
I certainly hope it’s not anyone with the Boston Red Sox, for it was the Red Sox who raised Manny to be what he is: self-entitled, self-centered, and prone to random idiocy, bullying and unenthusiastic strolls to first base.
The cost was incidental when the Red Sox won a couple World Series. Because Manny hit. And he helped the rest of the lineup hit. And long before he was a distraction, he was “colorful.” It sounded so much better that way, which is just the way they sold him.
They were OK with him being Manny as long as he was their Manny.


Now he’s not. And a little more than a week later, Manny has 13 hits in 23 at-bats. He looks happy. He runs hard some of the time, and not just when he smells a hit. Weird, I know.
Not only that, but Andruw Jones is smiling again and – who knows – might possibly start hitting. Hey, it’s possible. Manny’s influence, indeed, might be Jones’ last hope. Weird, I know. But, you gotta see this Manny. You might want to hurry.
And a lineup of kids with the names of Martin and Kemp and Loney and Ethier get to see what a big-league hitter in his prime looks like, what an opposite-field double looks like. And a clubhouse short on hope has energy again.
Maybe this rubs somebody wrong in Boston. Last they saw of Manny, he was stumping for a trade. He was crab-walking to first base. He was griping about where he fits in the legacy of wronged Red Sox superstars, alphabetically behind Roger Clemens and Johnny Damon and Nomar Garciaparra and Pedro Martinez. He was trying to remember which knee hurt.
So a story in Boston announces the commissioner’s office will investigate the circumstances surrounding the three-way trade that relieved the Red Sox of Manny and the flat-bed truck that hauls Manny’s baggage. And it’s true, Bud Selig asked lieutenant Rob Manfred to ask around, to see if Manny’s agent, Scott Boras, meant to suggest Manny would play hard or lay down depending on the outcome of the trading deadline and possible amendments to his contract.
Reached in his Milwaukee office, Selig declined to comment. So did Manfred. But baseball sources said they expect nothing to come of what is less an investigation than a method of placating the complaining parties, in part because Manny’s play didn’t look any different than usual, because Manny just had his best offensive month of the season, and because proving something like that would be next to impossible.
When Manny didn’t care all the time, the Red Sox typically responded by batting him cleanup. Now it’s possible they’re responding by claiming – what? – foul play?
“I wish I could get players to hit .347,” Boras said Friday night, referring to Ramirez’s July batting average. “I wish I could get them to lead their teams in on-base percentage and slugging percentage. If I could do that, have an impact on that, I’d proudly take credit for it.”
Boras wouldn’t say so, but if he manipulated anything, it was Ramirez’s no-trade rights. He knew – we all knew – the Red Sox simply had to trade Manny, because they decided it was time to trade him. There was no turning back, so unlike the 2006 deadline.
What Boras orchestrated was Manny in L.A., not Florida, and not Philadelphia. He brought Manny to a team starved for a big bat and a little charisma. He brought Manny to a place where the grocery store lines have bigger stars than him, two years after Manny complained to Red Sox executives the Boston fishbowl had become too confining for him. He brought bilingual Manny to a bilingual town, far away from turmoil and hurt feelings and utter exhaustion from Manny’s whole act.
Boras would not be paid unless Ramirez became a free agent at the end of the season, which is what happens now. So, as many things do, this worked out just fine for Boras. There is some question as to whether there is a market out there that will bring Ramirez $20 million a season, which is what he would have made had he played hard and been productive for the Red Sox. Ultimately, he didn’t play his way out of Boston; he sulked his way out, and talked his way out, and forced his way out.
Manny will turn 37 early next season and if $20 million doesn’t sound like too much now, it might in a year or two. Especially if he’s still having those knee problems. Now, if he could just recall which one is bothering him.
The Red Sox will remind him. They’ve seen it all before. They should. They created him.

 

[midman2161]

if Sox miss out on the playoffs, the excuse by the media and fans will be "the whole Manny thing"

If Sox miss the playoffs I say losing Manny was a big contributor, but just as much a contributor as Beckett having an off year with his ERA ballooning, having the worst shortstop play in baseball, Bucholz taking a step backwards in development, and Varitek batting .210... tons of reasons for us to not make the playoffs outside of losing Manny

 

[5teamparlay]

Manny Update:

Not ready...




Fantasy Baseball Breaking News


Manny Ramirez: Ramirez not close to being promoted
Manny Ramirez - DH - OAK - Jun. 4 - 9:39 am et
According to the San Francisco Chronicle, ''scouts and baseball executives'' who have seen Manny Ramirez recently agree with Oakland's assessment that he's not ready for the majors.
Ramirez likely won't be promoted until mid-June and is hitting just .222 (8-for-36) with no extra-base hits in his minor league assignment. He'll be paid a $500,000 prorated salary when added to the major league roster. Jun. 4 - 9:39 am et
Source: San Francisco Chronicle

 

[Doug]

To break it down into more simple terms. In his 8 years in Boston Manny played in 1083 regular season games (his best was 154 in 2003) for $160M or roughly a little over $15,000 every time he played in a game. Of course he got paid when he didn't play also. That is another equation, say he was like Cal Ripken Jr. and never missed a game, he would have been able to play in 1296 games during the contract which knocks down his per game pay to roughly around $12,500 per game.

Nice breakdown, Wil !

160,000,000 divided by 1083 games is $147,737 per game. How could you expect any major-league player to live on only 15k per game or even at-bat ?